White supremacist-A.A.connection

[Antigen]

On 2005-09-01 15:55:00, Anonymous wrote:

This person is just a straight up miserable person, and I'm guessing he blames everyone in his past for that fact.

But, of course, you'd only be guessing. I might just as well "guess" that your life is hollow w/o stepcraft and that's why you feel the need to so visciously and personally attack a critic of it. But I'd just be guessing too.

Personally, my life is great. My childhood was fucked up in a few important ways. And it had a lot to do w/ my family's involvement w/ another Synanon based program. So I think it's worthwhile to discuss that w/ people intererested in the topic and compare notes w/ others who might know wtf I'm talking about. I take it you don't, huh?

I tried for years to live according to everyone else's morality.
I tried to live like everyone else, to be like everyone else.
I said the right things even when I felt and thought quite differently.
And the result is a catastrophe.

---Albert Camus

[Anonymous]

Fortunately, no one asked you.

[puma046]

Antigen you really gotta chill with the self righteous gig.

[Anonymous]

That's when Antigen will settle down---don't you get it? All of this, her rants, the very existence of this site that makes her bread---it's about fleeing from the childhood demons she at least admits to.  

Also the subsequent demons that she denies I think.

So get used to it, Antigen-Hyperbole is here to stay: not only does it lively-up the site and make her money that way but it keeps her from looking, really looking at her own life and trying to make some sense and congruity out of it

[Antigen]

:rofl: See?

...it is in fact nothing short of a miracle that the modern methods of instruction have not yet entirely strangled the holy curiosity of inquiry; for this delicate little plant, aside from stimulation, stands mainly in need of freedom; without this it goes to wrack and ruin without fail.
--Albert Einstein

[Anonymous]

You bet I see Ginger---the question is: why don't you?

[Anonymous]

Antigen wrote:

"But, of course, you'd only be guessing. I might just as well "guess" that your life is hollow w/o stepcraft and that's why you feel the need to so visciously and personally attack a critic of it."

Antigen sees things just fine, and she hit the nail the head with her description of the above anon.

[Anonymous]

On 2005-09-01 18:01:00, Anonymous wrote:

"That's when Antigen will settle down---don't you get it? All of this, her rants, the very existence of this site that makes her bread---it's about fleeing from the childhood demons she at least admits to.  



Also the subsequent demons that she denies I think.



So get used to it, Antigen-Hyperbole is here to stay: not only does it lively-up the site and make her money that way but it keeps her from looking, really looking at her own life and trying to make some sense and congruity out of it"

I definately agree that this idiot's life is hollow.  It must be since he has nothing better to do with himself than post fabricated bullshit stories about total strangers on the internet.

[Apocalyptic Schizo Snakem]

THUS HATH THE BLADE BEEN UNSHEATHED

[Anonymous]

No kidding??

[Anonymous]

Well I know for a fact you guys just grouped 2 different anon's together as one and then tried to make statements about their lives based on the fact that it was one person. However, seeing as how it was obviously at least TWO people, the foundation of your entire attack pretty much just fell out. And in reading back through the posts, it looks as if there were at least three different anon's that you guys just bashed as one person.

How the hell did a debate over AA and white supremacy turn into such a pointless little argument? Then again, just about every thread on this site that exceeds 2 pages seems to be like that as well. Another reason for everyone to just stop posting here and go get laid.

[Antigen]

Well yes, but they're all spewing the same dogma in very similar dialects. Who can blame the ininitiated for mistaking them for a single person?

Life is like a bird, at any given moment it is droping a load. It is only a matter of time before one eventually find you.

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[Antigen]

On 2005-09-02 11:31:00, Anonymous wrote:


I definately agree that this idiot's life is hollow.  It must be since he has nothing better to do with himself than post fabricated bullshit stories about total strangers on the internet.



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Well, here's the thing. I really was being sarcastic. Though critical thinking and discussion of stepcraft obviously touched some nerves here, I'm sure as much rain has fallen into these people's lives as any of us.

As to the issue of time well spent, well none of us have anything better to do than what we're doing at any particular time. That the discussion around here so often and so quickly devolves into name calling and character assasination shouldn't come as any big surprise to anybody. When all you got is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

And this, imo, really illustrates one of the prime issues under discussion; WTF are these much vaunted "tools" and can any of the advocates and salesmen demonstrate proper application?

The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason.
--Benjamin Franklin, American Founding Father, author, and inventor

[CEDU 1974-75]

A couple of lines from a couple of different songs seem appropriate to me at this juncture of our debate.

First Parry Farrell of Jane's Addiction:

She takes a swing that she can't hit.She don't mean no harm,she just don't know what else to do about it.

And then Pete Townsend of The Who:

But my dreams,they aren't as empty as my conscience seems to be.I have hours only lonley.My love is vengance that's never free.

I probably knew that attempting to help dismantle the barriers seperating the truth from the lie and abomination that is Alcoholics Anonymous'stanglehold on contemporary thought regarding the treatment and care of individuals experiencing difficulties with societies reaction to their behavior by pointing out that Michael O'Sullivan is a racict and an A.A. member
would be a rediculous folly.But whaddyagonna do?In a world where a war on drugs shatters thousands of non-threatening lives a year...In a world where teenagers are subjected to grotesque constructions of demented psychologies...In a world growing increasing uglier and meaner by the day...In a world of conniving,frightened sickness and otherwise well-intentioned people duped into greater and greater abuses in the name of "tough love",I thought this might be a good time to raise a ruckus.If a politician has to identify his religion or an illness is fair game for public discussion,so is A.A. involvement.No longer can we allow A.A. to operate behind the scenes.

If you had seen as many atrocities as I have in A.A.your heart would probably ache a little bit too.I've seen too many inebriated people beaten,too many families,friendships and relationships broken in the name of "making A.A. the most important thing in your life",too much "NAZI" sobriety producing a bizzare cookie-cutter metality of learned helplessness and way too much hate.

Does that make me miserable?You're fuckin'A skippy............

[Anonymous]

On 2005-09-03 15:51:00, CEDU 1974-75 wrote:

"If you had seen as many atrocities as I have in A.A.your heart would probably ache a little bit too.I've seen too many inebriated people beaten,too many families,friendships and relationships broken in the name of "making A.A. the most important thing in your life",too much "NAZI" sobriety producing a bizzare cookie-cutter metality of learned helplessness and way too much hate.
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"

Ok, now you're just calling the AA mentality nazis, right? So now this white supremacist guy has nothing to do with it anymore, it's the AA ideology that is the nazi?

I am so sick of people comparing every little thing they don't like or find too extreme to the nazis. The nazis worked too hard to be compared to every lame-assed self-help program or milquetoast politician. These guys were crazy genocidal bastards for fucks sake!

And for another thing... the nazis knew how to dress. I never met a snappy dresser in an AA/NA meeting back when I went to those things. Maybe I was just going to the wrong meetings... If they had SS uniform meetings, maybe I would have stayed in 12 step for the sheer lust and fetish factor.