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« on: August 22, 2005, 08:51:00 PM »
Hey!!!!!Get a load of this!!This miserable bastard is a bonified member of A.A. in good standing.

Please Help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.nationalvanguard.org/story.php?id=5693

I stayed at this scumbags "recovery house" for almost two weeks,back in about the year 2001.Rumors abound that this guy is a date rapist,a mercenary preying on the gullibilty of unfortunates down on their luck,and a practicioner of scared straight,tough love,reefer madness bullshit...in the name of profit.I believe it!!

A fine reporter in Las Vegas has expressed some interest in this matter.Mr.Andrew Kiraly of Las Vegas writing for CITYLIFE magazine may be willing to "out" this guy as a member of A.A.

I need all the help I can get.

I will direct him to this website.

Please Help.This could be really big.I think if somebody starts holding A.A. accountable for the devastation it has wrought, it will make room for genuine educational developments.

PLEASE-PLEASE-PLEASE-PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Not everybody understands just how detrimental,debilitating,ugly,hienous and stiltifing A.A. is on society at large.You guys can make this matter clear to a man that has already proven his brilliance in journalism.

Please Help![ This Message was edited by: CEDU 1974-75 on 2005-08-22 18:04 ]
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« Reply #1 on: August 22, 2005, 09:51:00 PM »
Maybe I missed it in the article but what exactly is AA?
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« Reply #2 on: August 22, 2005, 10:03:00 PM »
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On 2005-08-22 18:51:00, puma046 wrote:

"Maybe I missed it in the article but what exactly is AA? "


I'm assuming the original poster meant alcoholics anonymous.

But that hasn't left me any less confused. Maybe I'm missing something. Like what outing him as a 12 stepper will accomplish, as opposed to the fact that he is a white supremacist, which should be enough in and of itself. "Not only is he a nazi, but he's also in AA!" Uh, I don't get it. I think the cult of white supremacy is a little more stigmatizing than the cult of Bill.

I'm obviously just not grasping this properly...
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« Reply #3 on: August 22, 2005, 11:07:00 PM »
Yea what does being in alcoholics anonymous have to do with being a white supremacist? I mean, if he's the principal of his local elementary school, then maybe we should be concerned. But an AA member?
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« Reply #4 on: August 22, 2005, 11:11:00 PM »
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On 2005-08-22 17:51:00, CEDU 1974-75 wrote:

I think if somebody starts holding A.A. accountable for the devastation it has wrought, it will make room for genuine educational developments.




Either CEDU 74-75 is just insane or he's not talking about alcoholics anonymous.
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« Reply #5 on: August 23, 2005, 10:37:00 AM »
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I stayed at this scumbags "recovery house" for almost two weeks,back in about the year 2001.


Evidently, he's not just a chronic meeting attendee, but is running a "recovery house". So he would be in a position of authority over vulnerable, desperate ppl and would be presented to them as the altruistic face of AA.

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« Reply #6 on: August 24, 2005, 10:58:00 PM »
Sure,I'm talking about Alcoholics Anonymous and yeah...maybe  I,m a little crazy and I,m definately a lousy writer.So big deal...

The point I am trying to make is that there might be a media source willing to shatter the sleazy cloak of Alcoholics Anonymous request for anonymity at the public level.When has any press ever exposed someone as a member of Alcoholics Anonymous?I think if there was ever anyone whoever learned how to lead a supremecist cult in A.A. it's this guy.His involvement in A.A. is pertinant.And it justifies breaking the long standing agreement between the press and Alcoholics Anonymous.No one should be stigmatized for having a problem with alcohol or drugs but there should be a stigma for being attached to an abusive cult.

Remember this;if there had been no Alcoholics Anonymous,there would have been no Bud Deiderich and Synonon,no CEDU and none of the others.

Crack the anonymity barrier and the rest may fall of it's own accord.Lop off the head of the beast!
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« Reply #7 on: August 25, 2005, 11:45:00 AM »
Don't know whether you're right or not but it's an interesting theory

And I wouldn't know whether you're crazy or not but you are definitely not a bad writer---especially compared to some of the clowns who bashed you
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« Reply #8 on: August 25, 2005, 07:59:00 PM »
This guy is under investigation by the parole and probation department of Nevada.He has also attracted the attention of the FBI.
He has been getting a lot of ink lately as well as support for his White Peoples Party here in the state of Nevada-sometimes known as "the Mississippi of the west"

What little I know about him is that he got sober in AA at a very early age-probably his teens.I believe it would be possible to link his involvement in AA to his warped wanna-be cult guru interests at present.

It really won't surprise me at all to see some very serious charges leveled against him in the near future.It is a national issue and a great opportunity to drag Alcoholics Anonymous through the mud with him.
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« Reply #9 on: August 28, 2005, 04:24:00 PM »
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It is a national issue and a great opportunity to drag Alcoholics Anonymous through the mud with him.

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That's what needs to happen to AA.  It is a fucked up organization that has been infiltrating society and even the courts for far too long, playing the wolf in sheep's clothing game by presenting itself as a nonprofit, "spiritual, not religious" group that's only trying to help. Puh-leaze!  The Stepcult is a breeding ground for kooks like that guy in the originally posted article.  Although I generally disagree with guilt-by-association smear campaigns, I take a "by any means available" approach to AA/NA/Stepcult bullshit.  The press needs to start outing these guys for the kookburgers they are.
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« Reply #10 on: August 29, 2005, 04:00:00 PM »
You guys are just a bunch of angry fools with way too much time on your hands. I have quite a few friends who would be in pretty rough shape if it hadn't been for AA. I don't know what kind of white trash pathetic states you all live in, but AA is a thousands times more beneficial at intervening in some pretty fucked up, alcohol related situations than it is in providing a breeding ground for your little dispute.
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« Reply #11 on: August 29, 2005, 04:06:00 PM »
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 AA is a thousands times more beneficial at intervening in some pretty fucked up, alcohol related situations than it is in providing a breeding ground for your little dispute. "


AA/NA/12Stepcult has done far more damage to individuals and society than it has good.  It is a dangerous cult that needs to be stopped by any and all means available.
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« Reply #12 on: August 29, 2005, 07:15:00 PM »
Nobody in the press seemed to recognize the importance-- it was very important-- of the involvement of Charles Manson in Alcoholics Anonymous.It was a crucial educational experience for the legendary murderer/psychopath/cult leader.He learned first hand, watching A.A. trusted servants use the important techniques of manipulation and control that Alcoholics Anonymous would perish without.These were techniques that he later employed in his murderous cult "family".

By the way.What "family"were you in at CEDU?I was in Eric Meltzer's.Yeah,I know...tough break.

If only Charles "Bud" Diederich hadn't learned the same brand of hate and lies.Now there is one bad ass cult leading freak.I'm sure I don't have to explain to you how many deaths can be laid at the doorstep of his cults.At least I hope I don't.It probably would have been nice if he had just hung on to his fucked-up alcohol related problems.

I'm happy for your friends,but take a closer look the next time you happen into A.A.The interactional dynamic can not be described without the term cult-like.

Michael O'Sullivan is an A.A. cultist and now the chairman of the largest politiclly recognized supremacist group in the country.This freak should not be underestimated and niether should the horrific influence of Alcoholics Anonymous.

By the way...this is just a guess...but I would say there are more White Supremacists in Nevada per capita than any state in America...They've been trying to move out the trailors to make room for highrise condominiums,that seems to be going pretty good.Clearing away racism and ignorance might take a little longer.
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« Reply #13 on: August 30, 2005, 12:42:00 AM »
I've always gone back and forth on the whole 12-step-being-a-cult thing.

As far as I'm concerned, whatever works for you to get you off drugs, more power to you. And I personally have known a lot of people who started off by getting sober with 12 step, then wised up and dropped the 12 step thing and stayed sober for the rest of their lives on their own. However, they give credit to 12 step at least getting them started. (But if they stayed there, I'm sure they would have started drinking or using again. Mainly because all you talk about in 12 step is using drugs and drinking and telling war stories!)

See, this is why I'm not sure if 12 step can fall into the category of a cult. Cults are really good at keeping most of their members. And while AA/NA etc. tote the line "keep coming back" their attrition rate (by their own last recorded numbers) is horrid. (It's around 95%. And remember, these are their OWN numbers.) That is a very unsuccessful cult!

What I don't like, however, is the institutionaliziation of the 12 step program. i.e. Go to jail or go to 12 step. And the fact that every single rehab in the country, for the most part, uses some form of 12 step ideology. That is total bullshit. It is extremely dangerous for our judicial and recovery system to believe in one way to solve the problems of alcohol and drug addiction and implement that into our drug rehab centers.

When I had to stop my habits, 12 step didn't work. It was too full of bullshit for me. I went to the meetings, I dealt with all the drama there, and the ridiculous meat market, and came to the conclusion that 12 step was only good for 2 things: getting laid and scoring drugs. I had to go with rational recovery, which thankfully, isn't a group, it's just a book. (A book that is banned by most rehabs, incidentally.) It also, by the way, totally slams 12 step, and does a very good job of doing so, and explaining why it doesn't work.
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« Reply #14 on: August 30, 2005, 12:55:00 AM »
One thing that really pisses me off about the anonymous people is that they tell me I have to stop drinking. I never had problems with alcohol, just drugs. Why the fsck do I have to stop drinking?
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