Are you really out of straight yet?

[Anonymous]

Fuck Guns and Roses. Fucking Aerosmith wanna-be glam shitbags.

[Anonymous]

On 2005-11-04 11:23:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Fuck Guns and Roses. Fucking Aerosmith wanna-be glam shitbags. "

Fuck Aerosmith, non-drug using, rehab rock shitheads that prove rock and roll bands suck shit after quitting drugs.

[Anonymous]

On 2005-11-04 12:08:00, Anonymous wrote:

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On 2005-11-04 11:23:00, Anonymous wrote:


"Fuck Guns and Roses. Fucking Aerosmith wanna-be glam shitbags. "

Fuck Aerosmith, non-drug using, rehab rock shitheads that prove rock and roll bands suck shit after quitting drugs."

You ain't never lied when it comes to this!  :lol:

[Anonymous]

Okay, if the public school system is so much like Straight, then why doesn't everyone who has been through it get what it is like to be in Straight? Because it is not like Straight. My teachers were not programming me with brainwashing tactics. If I had some control freak for a teacher, there was perspective because it was only for an hour, or because I could talk to other people about it and deal mentally. Yes the whole thing was controlling, but the difference, as I see it, is that it was not exclusive and restricting. I had access to libraries, bookstores, people and other ideas, and I did make use of these, and read about other educational philosophies, and I had space to think about the system I was in the middle of, and space to be myself emotionally and mentally. My teachers in fact welcomed my ideas and creativity. I had space and time outside of school. And I managed to cut school a whole lot and not get caught for a long time, and if my parents hadn't been so incompetent, there were other ways for me to go than that public school H.S. diploma.

I just don't think you can brainwash someone without the restriction of communication, information and private time. That is why people say things like "well gee, if you had all just misbehaved at the same time you could have closed the place down."

I didn't like the public school system then and I still don't. I get what you are driving at, I just don't think it has the same effect on the psyche, whatsoever. At least not in my experience. I had humans for teachers. Sure there is the authority role they get into, but I was free to have my own ideas and question theirs. They dismissed some of what I said, for sure, but that's okay, i could still think what I wanted.

Many of my high school classmates saw the same things I did, we talked about it, people handled it differently, but we were getting conscious of what we were in the middle of, and it was nowhere near totalitarian enough to keep us from thinking and talking about it. I even had teachers who ranted and raved on the subject, in the 9th grade even! Not at all like Staff.

Straight was a devastation, and no one who has just been through the public school system will really get it.

Yes, other people can get government control of ideas, and they can get the Drug War, and they can get the lies and manipulations of the public school system. But they do not get the thought reform and torture of Straight.

[starry-eyed pirate]

Str8 and the public school system both operate under the same principle.  Reward and punishment.  One is simply less severe than the other.  The school system brainwashes most of the yout' into compliance with the already established system.  "i pledge allegience..." 'n' all.  The yout' who are not easily fooled or otherwise still not under control are then put into programs like str8.

You make a lot of good points, concernin' the differences between str8 and public school.  And i get what your drivin' at too, but i see that str8 is jus' an extension of the more moderate social control/acculturation institutions, like churches and schools.  V.I. Lenin says all governments oppress.  i would go one step furthur and say all institutions oppress, primarily through some form of a brainwash to one degree or another.  

The Government wants everyone on the Reservation.

And you are of course right about how no-one who has jus' been a student in the public schools would be able to understand str8.  Yet they are both institutions of social control.

[Anonymous]

I think you underestimate people if you think they are so brainwashed by public school. Lots of people see through it. Whether or not they value their children enough to take them out of that system is another matter.

Come on, the government doesn't have that much of a stranglehold yet.

Yes I know you will come back with logistical problems. That's cool, we can talk about it.

[webcrawler]

On 2005-11-04 19:31:00, Anonymous wrote:

"I think you underestimate people if you think they are so brainwashed by public school. Lots of people see through it. Whether or not they value their children enough to take them out of that system is another matter.

Well speaking as a parent with children that attend public schools I can say I value my children "enough". Implying that a parent doesn't value their children enough for having them attend a public school is a bit crude and judgemental in my opinion.

For the most part I like the schools my children attend. There have been disagreements, but they get worked out because I am vocal.

I am raising my children with absolutley no help. I have to work full time to keep a roof among other things over their heads. I don't have the luxury of homeschooling my children as it is not possible for me to be a stay at home parent.

Given the opportunity to stay at home I'm not so sure I would even choose to be the sole educator of my children. There are a lot of things I simply do not know in the world of education. All I can continue to do is stay involved with what is going on at school, be an example for the values I find important, and talk to my kids about the way real life works. The way real life works is sometimes a bit more extreme than what they learn at school. I'm doing the best I can to balance everything out.

[Anonymous]

I wonder how many hours a day it would take to homeschool a kid. Just wondering.

[Troubled Turd]

I nevr wentuh skool & I turnt out ok. Got myself my own bizzniss too. Too muych booklarnin' kin ruin the mind if y ask me.

[Anonymous]

Shut up you fucking turd.

[webcrawler]

On 2005-11-04 21:59:00, Anonymous wrote:

"I wonder how many hours a day it would take to homeschool a kid. Just wondering."

Depends how much you want them to learn is my guess. Hell my kids are still learning the moment they get home because it's time for homework, reading books, practing instruments, and practicing their Spanish. School might be 12 hours if it were held in my house and they'd hate my ass.  :silly: Joke people. On the otherhand schooling might just be at various times throughout the day as I'm all over the map most days. Who knows. I don't know a thing about homeschooling and what the legal requirements are in my state of what they have to be instructed in.

[Anonymous]

Well if it is a brainwashing institution, that isn't good for children, right? Or maybe it isn't a brainwashing institution. Now I'm confused.

[starry-eyed pirate]

Well i consider brainwashin' to be any kind of a systematic mental manipulation whereby the victims' will to think freely is usurped by some institution claiming to be benevolent.  i attended public school from kindergarten until i, as Antigen would say: "landed up on front row".  i was seen as some kind of a threat by the system because i wouldn' go to school and i liked to smoke pot out in the woods.  The brainwash wasn' taking.

i have said before that i knew there was a place like str8 long before i was ever in str8, and it's not 'cause i had heard of the place or anything, but i could jus' tell by the authoritarian tactics of the public school system what the values of the broader society really were, despite their efforts to confuse me with all their double-speak lies.  i mean i was still shocked when i was first brought into group.  Hell, i'm still in shock now(that's part of what PTSD is), but i wasn't surprised. When the school had finally exhausted all it's coercive and authoritarian disciplines on me and i still told 'em ta Fuck Off they threw up their hands and sent me to str8.  There was actually a conspiracy against me between the school and my parents and a Dr. Schwartz(He worked at str8) whose 7-step son happened to be on my soccer team.

So the school system is jus' a link in the chain of authoritarian social controls.  This is my experience.

[Anonymous]

I just don't get how anyone who is suffering the PTSD and all that psyho shit can say public school is anything compared with Straight. You said yourself, the brainwashin' didn't take. You smoked weed in the woods and so on. I think there's kids who know exactly what it going on in public school, and they play the game and they know it is a game. But then when they have kids of their own, I don't know how many of them ever take their kids seriously enough to take them out of school, especially when it really isn't working out too well.

See, ultimately, you want the government to quit bugging you and your children, you gotta quit depending on it. Sorry all you single parents, this means getting together with other single parents and making communities out of separated and weakened family units. That's what I think. Quit complaining about the government having all this supposed brainwashing power, then not doing nothin' to take care of your own! See man, we lost too much over the past hundred or more years. It used to be, people in an area got together and themselves paid for a school teacher to teach their children.

This is not the easiest proposition, especially when we are talking about depressed and stressed and sub-par functioning Straight survivors.

[Anonymous]

I'm still in Straight. They let us use computers here now though, thanks to Children and Families.