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« Reply #45 on: October 21, 2005, 10:11:00 PM »
I remember when I first got out of Straight, I would try and tell people what it was like. They would ask me why I didnt just walk out or call the cops or something. Nobody understood that place. You have to be there to really know.
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« Reply #46 on: October 21, 2005, 10:33:00 PM »
Yeah, like "Why didn't you call the cops?" and such.  Kinda laughable, but kinda sad, there was no way in hell anyone who wasn't there could really know what it was like, and then they kind of blame you for having been there, "Why didn't you just walk out?".
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« Reply #47 on: October 22, 2005, 03:59:00 PM »
Yes. Exactly. Straight is not out of me yet. I still feel like I am fighting what may be a loosing battle to be out in the world. What is if really do need to be controlled just to avoid screwing up my life? (I life that that has done nothing but get better since I got out of "the program")
I know these beliefs are findamentally flawed, logically. All evidence is to the contrary. However, the beliefs are still there. What if I am just "mindfucking things and lying to myself"?
Also, until just a short time ago, I was being told the reason I woke up screaming etc. in the night was because I read too many scary books.
Could be, any way.
Who knows, maybe Straight made me a much better person, saved my life etc. and I was just whacked from the beginning?
What would have to happen to a person to make them believe that?
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« Reply #48 on: October 22, 2005, 04:03:00 PM »
Thank, and you too. I am very grateful for this. I was very upset with my husband for a day or so. Before I explained everything he was mad because I was "hurting myself" by dragging up bad memories.
I finally told him about it (I was sooooooooo ashamed, by the way) this  helped a lot.
Anyway, I don't think he would totally ever get it, however, the fact that he listened and now knows this about me is very comforting. Now I no longer feel that I am hiding something from him.
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« Reply #49 on: October 22, 2005, 04:32:00 PM »
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"Thank, and you too. I am very grateful for this. I was very upset with my husband for a day or so. Before I explained everything he was mad because I was "hurting myself" by dragging up bad memories.

I finally told him about it (I was sooooooooo ashamed, by the way) this  helped a lot.

Anyway, I don't think he would totally ever get it, however, the fact that he listened and now knows this about me is very comforting. Now I no longer feel that I am hiding something from him."

I completely know what you mean! I've gotten crap from my brother...saying things like I should stop reading posts if I'm getting so upset by it. He kept lecturing me on how I was dwelling, and said something very similar to what your husband said.  ::rainbow::
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« Reply #50 on: October 22, 2005, 08:41:00 PM »
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What would have to happen to a person to make them believe that?

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Cult indoctrination, thought reform, and mind-control techniques.
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« Reply #51 on: October 25, 2005, 07:54:00 AM »
How long have you been frequenting these forums, str8survivorVA?
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« Reply #52 on: October 25, 2005, 03:35:00 PM »
"Well I know for ME"....ahh shit that just sounded like I was realting in rap never mind
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« Reply #53 on: November 04, 2005, 09:14:00 AM »
Welcome to the jungle. :silly:
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« Reply #54 on: November 04, 2005, 10:16:00 AM »
We got fun 'n' games.
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« Reply #55 on: November 04, 2005, 11:46:00 AM »
Aw shucks, Str8survivorVA. I'm glad you're finding some use for this site. But really, anybody can do it. I took my que from drug policy reformers. When I first started looking into that issue, I was shocked. I was sure every last one of them would land up disposessed, in prison on some bogus charge or other and their children adopted out to TOUGHLOVE hategroup members.

But that didn't happen. Fact is, you really can say damned near anything in this country. It really pisses off the Religious Reich, but there's really not much they can do but stomp their wittle feet and throw a fit. I've tried to demonstrate that; sometimes to the extreme. And, to a large degree, it's worked. When Wes first asked me to set up a forum (cause he couldn't get Usenet to start one on the topic), I think ours was the only one. Now there are dozens that I know of, very likely hundreds who's members don't really invite outside interest.

I'm somewhat frustrated, though, over the persistant idea that no one can understand our unique experience. I don't think the Program is so much unique as it is an extreme example of a much broader social and political trend.

And it's not even the worst or most extreme example. Ok, so we did and, sometimes, believed some crazy shit under the presumed authority of the Program, backed by the parents and law enforcement... hell, even the president, first lady, vice president gave the nod. All the king's horses and all the kings men.

You want to see an extreme example of drug war group-think? Just take some time and read up on the Tulia Drug Bust* One of the early defendants (all of them have since been exonerated) was sentenced to over 300 years! in prison for a first time, chump change drug offence w/ no evidence, no wittness coroboration, nothing but a criminal gypsy cop who says he wrote his case notes on his leg.

Now, I ask you, how does an entire town or region--the cops, prosecutors, judges, DA, individual jury members and all--arrive at a state of delusion like that evident in this bizarre (though all too typical) case? At first blush, I just assumed there were direct affiliates of Calvina Fay involved. I even asked around if anyone from the Texas programs remembered a guy by the name of Tom Coleman.

But that ain't it, it's the other way around. The drug war, in all it's excesses, hasn't grown out of the Program. The Program has grown out of the drug war. We just got a potent slice of it. And if we're ever to do anything meaningful about it, I think it's absolutely imperative for us to find common ground w/ our good neighbors and fellow Americans who are subject to a less extreme version of the same mindfuck.

* The Tom Coleman who plays the malevolent clown in this comic tragedy has, as far as I know, no relation whatever to Tom Coleman the lawyer out in California. I think maybe it's just a cursed name. So, in the event that you marry a man name Coleman and bear him a son, please to not name the child Tom!

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« Reply #56 on: November 04, 2005, 12:04:00 PM »
Fucking brainwashing is not the same as the fucking public school system, and it is not the same as "group-think" (although I guess that is in there. We were children subjected to planned out thought reform and torture. I don't think a god damn person who hasn't been through it could POSSIBLY understand. Although it is a sad tale, and there are people around who will sympathize and feel the issue as their own, no one who has not been through it can understand the experience and all the fucked up years afterward.
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« Reply #57 on: November 04, 2005, 12:20:00 PM »
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"Fucking brainwashing is not the same as the fucking public school system... "


i disagree.  Public school is all about brainwash.  It's not as extreme, brutal as it was in str8 for sure, but it is a brainwash none the less, as in "i pledge allegience to the flag..."and all that crap. The Public School system is the well of power that the Federal government draws it's power from.  Brainwashin' the yout'.  Peace.  Fuck Authority.[ This Message was edited by: starry-eyed pirate on 2005-11-04 10:27 ]
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« Reply #58 on: November 04, 2005, 12:55:00 PM »
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« Reply #59 on: November 04, 2005, 01:44:00 PM »
Anon, I really think you're mistaken, and tragically so. We're not alone, not in the least. The difficulty comes in when you try to shatter people's illusions and then they come unglued.

Did you ever read any of that Gatto book I keep hawking? Here, here's a short essay that outlines the Program as implimented through the public school system. http://www.worldtrans.org/whole/schoolteacher.txt

Ok, maybe it's a mid-length essay. But shorter than the book by a long shot. And it makes the point.

Now, John Taylor Gatto, as far as I know, has never even heard of Straight, Inc. And I haven't found mention of DFAF, DARE or any other known Program affiliates anywhere in his writings. But the continuity of purpose and some of the techniques are undeniable. So then, how'd that come to be?

There are plenty of other examples. Here are some that I keep harping on. DARE is a Program production; The Ad Council ads accusing 13yo pot smokers of international terrorism; the drug war in general; piss testing for fun and profit (also a Program production via Betty Sembler, Bobby DuPont and a few other Program notables)

I think it's counterproductive to frame this issue as a freak story. It's not a freak story at all. On the contrary, it's a fairly typical story of the bitter harvest of authoritarian thinking and culture.

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