Why Miller?

[Anonymous]

Allow me to preface to say that Miller Newton is very much my adversary.  I was in a KIDS program and can never forget the sight, sound, nor smell of him and the wench he calls his wife.  I am not coming to the defense of this bastard, I am only asking a question of those in STRAIGHT to satisfy my own pesky curiousity.  

I have often wondered "why miller?" (and "why NOT Miller" is a very good answer!).  I understand his involvement in STRAIGHT and everything, but he was associated with KIDS for well over a decade after leaving STRAIGHT.  Those of you that personally remember and resent this asshole for his involvement in your program must be older than I, but I believe there are also a lot of ex-straights that never even knew what this guy looked like, nevermind is meglomaniacally and overtly abusive personality.  I am curious why those of you from STRAIGHT don't want to hang Sembler by his balls? Or even the director of your particular STRAIGHT?  I hate Miller simply because I KNEW him through and through and hated the fabric that comprised his existance.  Do some ex STRAIGHTs feel the same about Mel Sembler?  Was he has intimately involved in the day to day routine?  Do those of you that want to make a pinata out of the man, remember him?  Did he touch YOUR junk liberally?  Just curious, thanks in advance :nworthy:  for your reply, fuck you  ::both:: in advance if you decide to give me shit about this question, just asking...

[Anonymous]

Why Miller? Because it's Miller-time. :lol:

[Lost_Highway]

I`m glad that I never crossed paths with the infamous Miller Newton because I`ve heard way too many horror stories about the man.


A Clockwork Orange Chris


Yahoo! Groups : straightcopouts

[Antigen]

Who says anybody's laying off Sembler? But they are different types of men. No, Sembler was not involved w/ group in a hands on, day-to-day way like Virgil was. And Virgil WAS hands on in group for a couple of years. Even back then he showed a penchant for throwing girls around by the hair.

But Mel was always the power broker, money man, political climber, etc. In fact, as far as that goes, Betty is probably more dangerous that way than Mel. DFAF is her garden club, primarily. Mel is more involved in other Repugnican interests.

I suppose we could debate forever which one is more dangerous.

Never attempt to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and annoys the pig.
--Unanimous

[Anonymous]

Yes, I know that Sembler's head is and always will be on the chopping block, however when Newton was National Clinical Director of STRAIGHT, prior to 1984, only a handful of STRAIGHT facilities were open, others opened/closed long after Newton was no longer associated with STRAIGHT.  I do understand those from St. Pete that would see he and his wretched wife's mugs in the group room on a daily basis, however, I do not understand the hate from Boston, Dallas, Cinci, and Virginia Beach STRAIGHTs that never really involved Newton (nah, I understand the hate, it's justified), I just wonder if this old bastard has been scapegoated by a bandwagon of ex-STRAIGHTs that never even knew the dude.  For someone that was associated with a different program longer than he was involved with STRAIGHT he gets a lot of shit from ex-STRAIGHT teens, seemingly moreso than those that founded the program and allowed bullshit to occur long after Newton left STRAIGHT and started KIDS (to pound our asses in Jersey, Utah, Texas, and California).  
Have those of you NOT from St. Pete ever experienced his stench firsthand?

[Anonymous]

I personally don't mind where the hatred for the man comes from. He deserves every bad vibe out there.  He and his wife are the 2 sickest, meanest, most vile people I have ever known. If there is a bandwagon of hate, then let it lead right to his front door.  Act soon, before the bankruptcy courts decide it's not his front door anymore.

[Anonymous]

On 2005-08-09 11:57:00, Anonymous wrote:

"He and his wife are the 2 sickest, meanest, most vile people I have ever known."

So you actually KNEW him and his hatred, I wonder how many have not ever met him yet attribute his name to the pain STRAIGHT caused.  Though he deserves the worst, I think there are many other minions of Mel that are even more deserving of a kick in the ass.  I am surprised that every suit from each of the STRAIGHTs still lurks and works  anonymously in the real world.  Many as teachers, principals, youth counselors, etc. I am sure....

Do a google search on Newton and you'll uncover dirt for sure...but what about the Clinical Director of the Boston STRAIGHT, of Texas, etc.  In my opinion, all those names should be listed at anonanon, straight.com, or SOMEWHERE, at the very least in a thread here so that their names are attached to the program vets they allowed to be fucked over for so long.  Newton is a fuck for sure, but Miller "Schmiller", there are many other fucks out there responsible for their deeds in STRAIGHT.  In KIDS Miller was the evil one, him and his wretched wife.  He was the one I would stare at day in and day out, he was the one that said personal things to me about my family that were LIES in a world of pseudo-honesty, he was the one that I witnessed physically abuse friends of mine, he was the one that evoked fear and intimidation into everyone that was cursed enough to be in his presence.  He was and is my adversary, but I continue to wonder why those from some STRAIGHTS feel the same?
It doesn't matter, just curious.

[Dr. Miller Newton]

Yes, I know. My office at SIBS will soon become my dwelling space. :wave:

[Antigen]

Well, I think for one thing, there are a few more ppl around here who actually knew him than you might suppose. And a couple of those are just a whole lot louder and more angry than some others. My only personal interaction w/ the sob was at my intake.

But there's another difference. Most of the former execs went back to their real lives when the program shut down or whenever they got the bum's rush. You can find them working as real estate brokers, educators or whatever. Sort of turns the stomach. But at least they're not qontinuing to perpatrate in quite the same way Virgil is. And now he has the audacity to call himself a priest and propose to council others on their spiritual issues. Fucker! That can't be good! If he had just walked away and gone back to the newspaper business or something, he probably wouldn't send up so many hackles. But, as he's demonstrated an obsession w/ fucking w/ people and every intention to continue till his dying breath, I think maybe that's why he warrants so much extra attention.

I do not find in orthodox Christianity one redeeming feature.
--Thomas Jefferson, U.S. President, author, scientist, architect, educator, and diplomat

[Fr. Cassian]

And now he has the audacity to call himself a priest and propose to council others on their spiritual issues.

I "call myself" a priest because I AM one! And I have always been highly qualified to counsel others -- I don't see why it should come as such a surprise that I'm continuing in my effort to help others deal with problems in their daily affairs.

[Anonymous]

I was livid when i read Lulu Corter's story, how he held her in Kids for THIRTEEN YEARS. And the other girl, I am sorry right now I can't remember her name, he held her for SIX YEARS. I was so livid I called around in New Jersey to see why the FUCK they had never locked him away in a dank dungeon. However, the NJ police, DAs, whoever I spoke with, were not very helpful, although one of them said that if there were any investigation on Miller Newton, they could not disclose that anyway. If you want to talk to me about this and think about what else we can do to stick it to New Jersey for their utter neglect of children and their failure to put an EXTREME CHILD ABUSER in prison, pm me at ex-prisoner.

[Anonymous]

On 2005-08-09 13:27:00, Antigen wrote:

"Well, I think for one thing, there are a few more ppl around here who actually knew him than you might suppose. And a couple of those are just a whole lot louder and more angry than some others. My only personal interaction w/ the sob was at my intake. But there's another difference. Most of the former execs went back to their real lives when the program shut down or whenever they got the bum's rush. You can find them working as real estate brokers, educators or whatever. Sort of turns the stomach. But at least they're not qontinuing to perpatrate in quite the same way Virgil is. And now he has the audacity to call himself a priest and propose to council others on their spiritual issues. Fucker! That can't be good! If he had just walked away and gone back to the newspaper business or something, he probably wouldn't send up so many hackles. But, as he's demonstrated an obsession w/ fucking w/ people and every intention to continue till his dying breath, I think maybe that's why he warrants so much extra attention."

I guess you are right, those from St. Pete from well over 20 years ago may remember him firsthand.  I just wonder if had a counterpart that was the equivilant to what he was in KIDS to those of you that were in STRAIGHT.  What is a cult without a meglomaniacal cult leader, anyway?  I am certain you all from STRAIGHT also had trauma inducing tyrants, your own personal version of Newton, that made the STRAIGHT experience hell.  Miller Newton was the quintessential asshole that perpetuated the madness on a daily basis in my program.  Personally speaking from someone that knew Miller Newton, worked next to him, and spent years hating him, I don't believe he got in the church business to "help" or fuck with people.  I think his current line of work is solely about personal redemption, he knows what he did wrong and I think he is struggling to right his wrong.  Good luck ya old fuck. :wave:

[Don Smith]

I do not understand the hate from Boston, Dallas, Cinci, and Virginia Beach STRAIGHTs that never really involved Newton

Ah but he WAS involved.  He was still the Program Director in St. Pete in 1981-1982 before the Cincy group left St. Pete.  Although his involvement with us became practically non existent he was part of forming the staff that would go on to 'lead' us in Cincinnati.

He did visit the Cincinnati building once that I know of. I was on third phase at the time.

Don

[Anonymous]

On 2005-08-09 11:57:00, Anonymous wrote:

"I personally don't mind where the hatred for the man comes from. He deserves every bad vibe out there.  He and his wife are the 2 sickest, meanest, most vile people I have ever known. If there is a bandwagon of hate, then let it lead right to his front door.  Act soon, before the bankruptcy courts decide it's not his front door anymore."

:tup:

[Anonymous]

On 2005-08-09 15:36:00, Don Smith wrote:


Ah but he WAS involved.  He was still the Program Director in St. Pete in 1981-1982 before the Cincy group left St. Pete.  Although his involvement with us became practically non existent he was part of forming the staff that would go on to 'lead' us in Cincinnati.
He did visit the Cincinnati building once that I know of. I was on third phase at the time.
Don"

A-ha, so he did make a trip up to Cincy, that was the kind of info I was looking for, thanks Don.  

I wonder what other STRAIGHTS he made an appearance at...