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« Reply #45 on: August 05, 2005, 10:23:00 PM »
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« Reply #46 on: August 06, 2005, 11:13:00 AM »
Great post,

Even though the building you showed was destroyed,
It didn't fall at free fall velocity now did it? The debris was not pulverized either. You can very clearly see the Steel in place 20 hours later.
 
I'm going to read what you just posted,

The report on wt7 that I read last night said is was the pancake theory.

Have you seen the close ups of the SQUIBS being detonated down the sides of the Tc 1. You can see the tell tail puffs going bang bang bang. What about the firemen video saying they saw these explosions floor by floor?

That is not what is happening in the pictures you posted. Again, I'm just looking into it. I'm not an engineer but am very curious as to why and how it happened.

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« Reply #47 on: August 06, 2005, 11:16:00 AM »
Opps, I thought greg posted the pictures of the building fires. Yes it's very odd. 20 hours burning.  

Where is the pancake effect here? And if not then why?
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« Reply #48 on: August 06, 2005, 11:20:00 AM »
No there was damage on the roof, but how did falling debris make it all the way down to the 8th floor?  

Also Guilani had a command post in that building. It had recently had many upgrades to make it stronger including bomb resistant glass.

What about the video and audio of the building owner talking with the fire chief and saying maybe we should go ahead and pull the building. Then they watched it come down a few minutes later.

Lot's of questions, and no easy explainations.
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« Reply #50 on: August 06, 2005, 06:56:00 PM »
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This one just gripes my ass because of the real americans that died, and then we have people claiming it was Guided missles and remote controlled airplanes with no evidence other than suppossition. If I was a family member no telling the reaction I would have, but it wouldn't be pretty.


Oh no, the passengers were real enough. Just the pilots seem to have been fictitious.

Greg, can you come up w/ any compelling evidence not authored and funded by the accused? And can you name a government from any place or time in all of history that would not pull something like this? You think our government is just too honest and reliable for something like this? Or do you invest your faith in the individual people currently running our government?

I have to say, I'm really surprised by your position on this. You're usually a pillar of logic and skepticism.


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« Reply #51 on: August 06, 2005, 08:24:00 PM »
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« Reply #52 on: August 06, 2005, 08:32:00 PM »
Larry Silverstein, who acquired the lease to operate the World Trade Center in July, is seeking $7.2 billion from insurers for the destruction of the center (twice the amount insurers say he can claim).

Most of the World Trade Center changed hands in a $3.2 billion, 99-year lease deal that was concluded ONLY SEVEN WEEKS before the attack; with a sweetheart tax deal and new insurance covering buildings and rents -payable to new beneficiaries.

Although the complex was not insured against an act of war, NEW POLICIES INSURED AGAINST TERRORIST DAMAGE.
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« Reply #53 on: August 06, 2005, 08:50:00 PM »
"Believing that there is nothing wrong with the towers collapsing so quickly, is roughly analogous to believing that people pass through closed doors as quickly as they pass through open doors."


http://thewebfairy.com/nerdcities/WTC/proof.htm
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« Reply #54 on: August 06, 2005, 09:02:00 PM »
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/no ... ccount.htm

What happend in the basement 80+ floors below at impact time?
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« Reply #55 on: August 06, 2005, 09:08:00 PM »
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/time ... _9/11=aa77

according to these websites, all that is a fantasy and/or a conspiracy and NO PLANE hit the pentagon but instead a missle fired by our own government did it.
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« Reply #56 on: August 06, 2005, 09:20:00 PM »
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Oh no, the passengers were real enough. Just the pilots seem to have been fictitious.



Greg, can you come up w/ any compelling evidence not authored and funded by the accused? And can you name a government from any place or time in all of history that would not pull something like this? You think our government is just too honest and reliable for something like this? Or do you invest your faith in the individual people currently running our government?



I have to say, I'm really surprised by your position on this. You're usually a pillar of logic and skepticism.

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well, I am very skeptical and logical which has led me to take this position. And in absense of any real evidence except a lunatic fringe internet movement, The most plausible explanation is that the people who took responsiblity for the crime actually did it.  That the people at the airport, the passengers, the eyewitnesses, the criminals involved, all of them aren't involved in some giant conspiracy by our governmentto kill our own people for whatever ends.

I do not doubt there are evil people in the government.  But this crime against america until some real evidence rolls in (not of the 'Explain this away or Im right' genra of "evidence") to the contrary I am solidy in belief that what occured was done by a bunch of religious fanatics that hate america because we support and prop up a war machine against them, and that because their "holy book" is at odds with our "holy book". Much less has caused much greater pain and suffering thruout history.

All this "a building cannot behave this way or that way" by a bunch of laymen on a chat site is rather comical when almost every structural engineer in the world is at odds with that assertion.  

A controlled demolition does not "blow up a building" like asserted in this thread and by that idiotic website by that little moron that thinks the government flew remote controlled planes into the building and a missle into the pentagon. A controlled demolition causes intentional structural damage that causes the steel to fail(not melt like also asserted in this thread is necessary to cause failure) and then the building is taken down by its own weight ie: gravity.  That two airpplanes buried in the buildings and then exploded massive amounts of fuel into the buildings and caused a failure that replacates a demolition has been explained away by almost every strutural engineering firm available and their are even special running on tv that detail what occured.  But we are told by all these internet "experts" that it couldn't happen. I will take my changes with the real experts until and unless some credible evidence comes along that refutes the real experts.

As far as building 7, the explanationa as outlined in Popular mechanics is the most plausable explanation I have seen yet. That the towers collapsed and damaged the building is a given and that it caused structural damage that caused a failure in the supports makes sense to me as well.

Sorry I can't climb aboard this conspiracy fun and game with you guys.
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« Reply #57 on: August 06, 2005, 09:32:00 PM »
We'll let's agree to disagee if you like.   But be very careful in labeling the net = junk and CNN = equals truth. That's dangerious. Just attack the science as you are fond of saying. I'm on the same page here.


Just use common sense, how did the WTC building fall in 10 seconds?

Have you ever seen that before?

There was no resistance. That's impossible.

Try running a car through 80+ floors.

Physics don't work like that. That's not a conspircy it's science.

Also the building started collapsing at the roof, way above the impact. The area not effected by fire. What initiated this fall?

It just can't happen like that.  It's common sense.
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« Reply #58 on: August 06, 2005, 09:40:00 PM »
I don't do that. The evidence strongly sways against the conspiracy theorists in my opinion. CNN and Fox news hold no special place in my heart, trust me.
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« Reply #59 on: August 06, 2005, 09:42:00 PM »
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It just can't happen like that.  It's common sense."



Your a physicist as well as a structural engineer, or are you lifting that off these conspiracy sites as well?
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