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« Reply #30 on: August 05, 2005, 08:50:00 PM »
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On 2005-08-05 17:14:00, Anonymous wrote:

"It can't happen?



so you  say....but That assertion isn't suportted by the multutude of Structural engineers sent to inspect the data.


What multutude do you speak of?
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« Reply #31 on: August 05, 2005, 08:58:00 PM »
a group of 2 dozen muslim extremists changed the course of world history. with only a couple flying lessons, somehow they expertly flew the planes into precisely their targets. ask a pilot how difficult the manuevers over the pentagon were. nearly impossible for a pilot who's never flown a real jumbo jet before.

flight 93? if the american hero story were true, don't you think they would have released the audio by now? I believe that story like I believe the jessica lynch story.

somehow they found out who did it in what, a few hours after the planes struck? how convenient all their passpotrs survived the crash and landed safely for the FBI to locate. But they couldn't find the flight data and voice recorders? yeah sure.



bin ladin and his chronies  is a conspiracy theory too, and just as crazy as any of the other ones posted here. what evidence did they give us? a crummy old video tape and 'take our word for it' the arabs hate you for your freedom?
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« Reply #32 on: August 05, 2005, 09:00:00 PM »
my conspiracy theory; 9/11 was a coup d'etat planned by the mossad to bring america into the middle east to kill their enemies for them.
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« Reply #33 on: August 05, 2005, 09:01:00 PM »
http://reopen911.org/video/cte_04.mov

The other one should have loaded.

I'm just posting stuff for us to look at.

There are still many questions.

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« Reply #34 on: August 05, 2005, 09:04:00 PM »
here, read some real investigative reporting and put down the tabloids...


http://wtc.nist.gov/progress_report_jun ... endixl.pdf

Now, I understand this is "dry" reading and not nearly as fun as eating popcorn and imagining  and all sorts of conspiracies based on loose reporting, factual ommission, presuppostions, non expert analysis and a propensity to believe in super duper situational stuff before the more likely scenarios (like a religious middle eastern  terrorist group easily identified that took credit for the attacks and declared holy war on our country) but hey, it is good reading nevertheless!
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« Reply #35 on: August 05, 2005, 09:09:00 PM »
never mind chris, I can't load from that link either, but I went to the home page and loaded and viewed the videos.

I place them squarely in the same arena as Nellie, supernatural bigfoot, a alien base in the center of the earth, and noahs ark and the shroud of tourin.  


This one just gripes my ass because of the real americans that died, and then we have people claiming it was Guided missles and remote controlled airplanes with no evidence other than suppossition.  If I was a family member no telling the reaction I would have, but it wouldn't be pretty.
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« Reply #36 on: August 05, 2005, 09:09:00 PM »
Your probably more right in that than you suspect.
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« Reply #37 on: August 05, 2005, 09:12:00 PM »
So your saying those people are lying?  

Big Foot?  Common, these are real questions based on evidence.

Why?

Still no explaination for wtc 7

And again I only post this for discussion. I don't know and that's the point.

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« Reply #38 on: August 05, 2005, 09:13:00 PM »
the videos are very long and take 15 minutes on a dsl line.
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« Reply #39 on: August 05, 2005, 09:19:00 PM »
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Still no explaination for wtc 7


vsp"


no possible way you gave that report in this amount of time any consideration in the five minutes that passed between my post and your "still no evidence for wtc 7" comment. There is HARD evidence for a collapse.

 You my friend are predesposed to believe in this type of thing and dismiss the hard evidence to the contrary. I have witnessed this in discussions about aliens and other topics and I am sure you have made observations about me as well..

It takes all kinds...and I am priviledged to know people like you!. Serious...I come in on the skeptical side of a question, and you believe until convinced otherwise.  It is just a outline of the difference between you and me.

vive la difference!
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« Reply #40 on: August 05, 2005, 09:34:00 PM »
Your post was very interesting but is in contrast to many other views. A steel frame building can't fall like that. Not from a fire. It won't implode.

Great read but I don't buy it.

Where is there testimony of a steel frame building falling from a fire? Before 911?
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« Reply #41 on: August 05, 2005, 09:43:00 PM »
and where is the comparison to two adjacent buildings being destroyed and collapsing, causing irreperable damage to an adjacent bulding? This situation is kind of unique Chris...


 Your mistake is to keep repeating the conspiracy theory mantram..that fire cannot destroy a steel building. Two huge buildings fell next to it in an uncontrolled fall, releasing millions of tons of debri and damaging not only the building but the foundation as well.  The fire did not cause the collapse but only was a contributing factor.

Stop making statements like that.  Neither of us is a structural engineer. These building are very complicated and can and do fail.  If you are to believe anyone, read the reports of actual engineers on how and why the building collapsed or could have collapsed and stop automatically believing the conspiracies.

Your brain will thank you.

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« Reply #42 on: August 05, 2005, 09:48:00 PM »
Again show me a steel frame builing in history falling like that?

And with the same destruction of it's contents?

I don't think you can.

But who knows with you,

You do come up with some good ones.

Cheers
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« Reply #43 on: August 05, 2005, 09:56:00 PM »
this one burned 20 hours + at temps much higher than the WTC fire ... no collapse. weird huh?









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« Reply #44 on: August 05, 2005, 10:11:00 PM »
no, two major skyscrapers did not fall and damage it prior to the fire.  again you recite the conspiracy theory mantra of "fire" without considering the impact of the other damage, caused by extreme impact and jet fuel burning at 1500 degrees farenheigh, causing millions of tons of debree to fall and damage the building (7) that subsequently collapsed.


Read the engineering reports I linked you to.

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