Carlbrook

[Anonymous]

On 2006-04-08 08:39:00, Anonymous wrote:

"If so many of these parents are intellectually challenged, I wonder how they were successful enough to earn the money to afford to seek the best treatment for their teens?

Psychologically challenged, common-sense challenged, personality challenged, easily suggestable, hateful....... forgot those.

Many families DO have to incur debt or second mortgages to help their teens

Some religious people give away a huge portion of their salary for the same reason you think spending money makes you a good parent, true believers. Paying a lot of money to someone makes you feel like a great parent I bet.  :lol:

but many are pretty high up on the food chain (i.e. the other end from most of the posters here).

You mean people who raise their own kids and don't pay huge sums of money for someone else to clean up their mess? Yeah, you are right, we are from the other end, thank god! Quickly go look at your bank statement so you can feel good about yourself.  :lol:

[Anonymous]

Do you realize how much like the religious right you folks are?  You are paranoid and angry.  You are unwilling to accept the different opinions of others who have had success with various programs.  I feel sorry for you that you feel that threatened by the happiness and success of others.

[Troll Control]

On 2006-04-08 11:37:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Do you realize how much like the religious right you folks are?  You are paranoid and angry.  You are unwilling to accept the different opinions of others who have had success with various programs.  I feel sorry for you that you feel that threatened by the happiness and success of others."

But you are involved with faith-based treatment.  You have to have faith that the program works because all evidence collected to date shows they don't.  That sounds like the religious right to me.  Faith over evidence?  That's program parents.

[Anonymous]

Who are all of you to decide how we spend our money?  It sounds to me like you might not have any money (or a job, or a kid, or a life) and are resentful.  I'd spend three times what I spent at Carlbrook to get the same results.

[Anonymous]

The evidence is simply the results we saw in our own kids. Does it work for everyone? NO.  Are the programs perfect?  NO  Did I disagree with some of it?  YES    Is my kid doing a lot better than he was before the program?  Absolutely.  
This isn't faith- it's evidence.  

When a parent puts a kid in an emotional growth program the parent clearly understands that there is no guarantee that it will help the kid. You are willing to give it a try, because there are no other options left and the teen can no longer live in your house or in your community. In the case of programs like Carlbrook, your child is safe, eating well, getting a solid education and, hopefully, benefitting from therapy and interaction with peers who face similar struggles.

Like I said- your irrational hatred of programs like Carlbrook and parents who try them is very suspect.  Religious right all over again.

[Badpuppy]

So is fair to call the parents desperate? I was wondering what that extensive research showed? In their extensive reasearch do you think they checked with the surgeon general who stated that not only is their no proof of the effectiveness of RTC's but their is some evidence these centers may be destructive. What type of evidence did they show you to prove that Carlbrook would help your child? Did you try family therapy?
    I don't believe that parents are trying to hurt their children, but I do believe that because they are desperate they don't rational evidence based choices. Prove me wrong by showing some evidence not based on testimonials or ancedotes.

[Anonymous]

Do you honestly think we would send our kids away without trying family therapy first?  I'm sure some parents do.  Probably some of the posters on this site had (and still have) parents that don't care.  That makes kids desperate and angry.  I love my child and decided Carlbrook was the best fit.  My Carlbrook grad (now 20)is neither desperate or angry.  I'm sorry you guys didn't go to Carlbrook.  It may have helped.

[Anonymous]

Carlbrook is not an RTC. No one showed any evidence to PROVE Carlbrook would help our kid. There is no such thing as that kind of "proof".  We reviewed the program, met with the senior staff and relied somewhat on the recommendation from the wilderness therapist.  Of course we tried family therapy and every other local resource first.  Our kid benefitted from the program and had a year of structure where he could mature in a safe environment.  No, there was nothing harmful about the program.  No physical restraint. No abuse.

[Anonymous]

Friendly reminder for everyone out there: These anonymous posters supporting the programs are probably absolutely fucking childless. Barren, even.  Either that or their kids died from neglect when they were eight years old. They might even be on both sides of the argument, setting up strawmen.

IT'S REALLY EASY TO LIE ON THE INTERNET, DOUCHEBAGS.

[TheWho]

On 2006-04-08 12:46:00, Luke Stephens wrote:

"Friendly reminder for everyone out there: These anonymous posters supporting the programs are probably absolutely fucking childless. Barren, even.  Either that or their kids died from neglect when they were eight years old. They might even be on both sides of the argument, setting up strawmen.



IT'S REALLY EASY TO LIE ON THE INTERNET, DOUCHEBAGS."

Dah,  Its been that way since day one, where have you been.
It works both ways (opponents, proponents alike), you suggest we all log off and write letters to each other?

[Anonymous]

On 2006-04-08 11:52:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Who are all of you to decide how we spend our money?  It sounds to me like you might not have any money (or a job, or a kid, or a life) and are resentful.  I'd spend three times what I spent at Carlbrook to get the same results."

You are the perfect mark.

[Anonymous]

It's Karen, the resident Carlbrook troll, no reason to waste your time with this bitch... she comes here to let loose her vitrial hatred of teenagers, like the cunt she is.

http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... 2&forum=37

[Anonymous]

You seem to think there is only 1 Carlbrook supporter.  Interesting that whenever a parent brings up some positive things, your only retort is to get ugly and resort to personal attacks.  Did you learn that in YOUR program?

[Anonymous]

::hehehmm::

[Anonymous]

On 2006-04-08 14:03:00, Anonymous wrote:

"You seem to think there is only 1 Carlbrook supporter.  Interesting that whenever a parent brings up some positive things, your only retort is to get ugly and resort to personal attacks.  Did you learn that in YOUR program?"

Yes, at Carlbrook.