Carlbrook

[Anonymous]

On 2006-02-16 07:40:00, Anonymous wrote:

"When a parent has tried everything else and there is some evidence (as minute as it may be) that it works for "some", one hopes (and believes) it will be their child coming out on the other side able to cope with adversity better.

Against overwhelming evidence that it doesn't help and in many cases causes more harm?  No, unacceptable.

 

It's a hard call to make when one is faced with weighing certain death and extreme discomfort for their own child.  And, until you've been there, been the parent, not the child, you cannot possibly know how it feels to make that call.  Now, all of you, go ahead and attack me the way you attack the others.  I'm used to it."

I've been both so I do know.  You've bought into the "certain death" myth.  It's a complete falsehood and scare tactic.

[Anonymous]

"Doesn't help in many", but it helps in SOME.  And, you don't know what "certain death" meant for our child.  I will judge myself by the outcome when this nightmare is over (if ever.) Also my child will judge my decision but I will not be judged by you.  To our family it is worth the risk.  But, we fear, he may end up like you.

[Anonymous]

Again, I came for useful information about specific programs and I'm not getting it.  If anyone has FIRST HAND KNOWLEDGE of Carlbrook,not the results of biased studies, specifically that he/she would like to share at the risk of being abused further, would you mind posting it?

[Anonymous]

On 2006-02-16 07:58:00, Anonymous wrote:

""Doesn't help in many", but it helps in SOME.

You misread.  I said it doesn't help AND many times does more harm.  

And, you don't know what "certain death" meant for our child.

No I don't but I've also been the parent of a teen that I was scared to death I would see in a morgue so I think I've got some idea of where you're coming from.

I will judge myself by the outcome when this nightmare is over (if ever.) Also my child will judge my decision but I will not be judged by you.  To our family it is worth the risk.

You dont' know that yet.  The 'lifting of the fog' and subsequent fallout from them realizing what was done to them takes years to manifest sometimes.

 

But, we fear, he may end up like you."

You've got good reason to fear that.

[Anonymous]

On 2006-02-16 08:08:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Again, I came for useful information about specific programs and I'm not getting it.  If anyone has FIRST HAND KNOWLEDGE of Carlbrook,not the results of biased studies, specifically that he/she would like to share at the risk of being abused further, would you mind posting it?"

Why bother with silly things like studies and evidence when you can solicit the precise answer you're looking for.  :roll:

[Anonymous]

Are you really saying that NOBODY has been helped?  I know 100's of kids that have been through programs that helped them and they are not resentful towards their parents nor the programs.  I also know lots like you that it did not work for.  This gets more narrow by the moment.  You should go travel to some high schools and use your energy teaching kids not to engage in the behaviors that may prompt their parents to make the decision to send them away in the first place.  Because, god forbid, they may end up at CARLBROOK or SWIFT RIVER instead of jail or the graveyard.

[Troll Control]

YOU are the one without first-hand information.

I am willing to accept the accumulated research and study of mental health professionals.  I am not willing to accept second-hand anectdotal evidence from a parent.

I DO accept the first-hand accounts of the children who were sent there.  They say it was harmful in all but ONE case I have ever seen.

Furthermore, being a clinician, I can tell you that the incontrovertable fact of the matter is that these programs don't work and any "success" you may have can be attributed solely to your child's desire to get out of the facility by whatever means necessary - usually acquiescence and uniform compliance to the program rules, "faking it" in therapy, and telling the parents that without the program "I'd be dead or in jail."

Call it what you like.  There is a long history of psychology that shows what works and what doesn't.  You simply do not want scientific evidence.  You want somebody to tell you to send your kid to Carlbrook and that it's a great, helpful, healing place.

"By all means, send your kid to Carlbrook.  If you don't, he'll die, get incarcerated or go insane.  You MUST do this FOR YOUR SON."  

There, I said it.  You can ship him out now without guilt or remorse.  Have at it.

[Anonymous]

Damnit!  I am BEGGING for first hand information and not your continuous psycho-babble!  You've chased away anybody with any positive information.  I know the risks I want to hear just somebody out there tell me another side to this.  If it doesn't exist, so be it.  I haven't sent him to the gulag yet.  I'm trying to get information everywhere...even at this moronic site!  I'd hate to be the kid from Carlbrook who suceeded and tried to post his story.  You guys would rip him apart and probably question his sexuality.  Forget I even asked.  Wait, a kid that has done well in the program probably isn't spending his days proving his sucess to you.  Never mind, I'll just put what I've learned from this site into the CON side of the paper.

[Anonymous]

But that's exactly the point.  You're asking for positive experiences only because that's what you want to read about and believe.  We've stated personal experience AND clinical studies.  What don't you get about clinical studies being far more accurate and reliable than surveys and solicitation for specific types of responses that you'd like to believe?

[Troll Control]

On 2006-02-16 08:47:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Damnit!  I am BEGGING for first hand information and not your continuous psycho-babble!  You've chased away anybody with any positive information.  I know the risks I want to hear just somebody out there tell me another side to this.  If it doesn't exist, so be it.  I haven't sent him to the gulag yet.  I'm trying to get information everywhere...even at this moronic site!  I'd hate to be the kid from Carlbrook who suceeded and tried to post his story.  You guys would rip him apart and probably question his sexuality.  Forget I even asked.  Wait, a kid that has done well in the program probably isn't spending his days proving his sucess to you.  Never mind, I'll just put what I've learned from this site into the CON side of the paper."

                               
Wow. This is me ->  ::bangin::   <- and this is you.

If you want someone to tell you it's OK to send your kid away when there is approprite treatment based in your community, you're not going to get it.

Instead of being so vitriolic, why not tell us a bit of history about your son?  Maybe if you inform us a little better we can can recommend some other options.  However, if all you do is react hysterically and never share with us what's at the root of your problem, how are we to help you in any form?

What is your son's psychological diagnosis?

What types of behaviors does he engage in that worry you?

Is he learning disabled?

Using drugs or alcohol heavily?

Tell us what's going on with your kid and you will certainly get constructive advice.

BTW, if you think I speak in "psychobabble," wait until you get into the Orwellian double-speak of the program.

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"Compassion is the basis of morality."

-Arnold Schopenhauer[ This Message was edited by: Dysfunction Junction on 2006-02-16 09:08 ]

[Anonymous]

If you can stand to read this whole thread, you will see posts from some students who TRIED to post their experiences at Carlbrook.  Read the Rico Moreno letter that is linked.
I am a parent of a former Carlbrook kid. I have posted and posted my impressions, but as you can see, none of the positives are acknowledged.
The fact is, Carlbrook isn't perfect, but it is the best of the bunch. It has the best staff (academically, administratively and therapeutically), a wonderful campus and offers the best combination of what you need for your kid.
Your kid will not be abused and MAY come out a strong, young adult.  Post on strugglingteens.com for more info.

[Deborah]

On 2006-02-16 08:47:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Damnit!  I am BEGGING for first hand information and not your continuous psycho-babble!  You've chased away anybody with any positive information.  I know the risks I want to hear just somebody out there tell me another side to this.  If it doesn't exist, so be it.  I haven't sent him to the gulag yet.  I'm trying to get information everywhere...even at this moronic site!  I'd hate to be the kid from Carlbrook who suceeded and tried to post his story.  You guys would rip him apart and probably question his sexuality.  Forget I even asked.  Wait, a kid that has done well in the program probably isn't spending his days proving his sucess to you.  Never mind, I'll just put what I've learned from this site into the CON side of the paper."

What did you honestly expect at a 'SURVIVOR' site? Can't you get any 'positive' feedback for your 'paper' at ST? No advocates have PM'd you here?
I personally think you have a covert agenda, but what the hell. Perhaps some feebile minded program advocate will come along and oblige, then maybe not. Program advocates have a strong need to control things, and they can't do that here. They also tend to have a very low tolerance for free speech and take things overly personally.

Your request is about as rational as going to a rape survivor site and asking what benefits they had gained from their experience- and no doubt, there actually would be a FEW who choose to see 'only the positive' in everything. Doesn't mean the end justifies the means.

[Anonymous]

On 2006-02-16 09:29:00, Anonymous wrote:

"If you can stand to read this whole thread, you will see posts from some students who TRIED to post their experiences at Carlbrook.  Read the Rico Moreno letter that is linked.

I am a parent of a former Carlbrook kid. I have posted and posted my impressions, but as you can see, none of the positives are acknowledged.

They're acknowledged, just not agreed with.

The fact is, Carlbrook isn't perfect, but it is the best of the bunch. It has the best staff (academically, administratively and therapeutically), a wonderful campus and offers the best combination of what you need for your kid.

Your kid will not be abused and MAY come out a strong, young adult.

You're kid may quite possibly be abused either physically or psychologically adn there is no evidence AT ALL that he or she would come out better for their experience.

post on strugglingteens.com for more info."

Sure.  Post and look for info on a site run by a company that makes its living off of desperate, gullible parents.  THAT is SURE to be objective.  :roll:  We can see why they would be biased FOR the programs....what would our motivation be for being against them?  We gain nothing from putting this information out there.  They earn a very nice living at keeping parents scared and having those parents scare up more clients for them by way of referrals for which the parents are then compensated.

[Deborah]

On 2006-02-16 09:29:00, Anonymous wrote:

"If you can stand to read this whole thread, you will see posts from some students who TRIED to post their experiences at Carlbrook.  Read the Rico Moreno letter that is linked.

I am a parent of a former Carlbrook kid. I have posted and posted my impressions, but as you can see, none of the positives are acknowledged.

The fact is, Carlbrook isn't perfect, but it is the best of the bunch. It has the best staff (academically, administratively and therapeutically), a wonderful campus and offers the best combination of what you need for your kid.

Your kid will not be abused and MAY come out a strong, young adult.  Post on strugglingteens.com for more info."

"TRIED" to post, my ass. You/they DID post. Your distress is that you want those posts to be "acknowledged".
What the hell would that look like?
Reality check.... do you know where you are?
Do you know the Serenity Prayer.
Get over it, and stop the incessant whining becauce you can't 'force' your will.

[Anonymous]

On 2006-02-16 09:36:00, Anonymous wrote:


You're kid may quite possibly be abused either physically or psychologically adn there is no evidence AT ALL that he or she would come out better for their experience.

Ooops.  Your kid, not you're. :silly: