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« Reply #210 on: January 26, 2006, 12:45:00 PM »
The only "tools" are the ones dumb enough to shell out 80-100k per year for the unaccredited education, the behavior modification and the LGAT workshops.
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« Reply #211 on: January 26, 2006, 09:19:00 PM »
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On 2006-01-26 09:43:00, Anonymous wrote:

"But- while they are locked up (your term, not mine) they are safe and are being educated (at least in the case of Carlbrook) and are gaining some tools and maturity.  "


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« Reply #212 on: February 01, 2006, 05:09:00 AM »
Ha.  You don't think I went to Carlbrook?  Ask me anything you wish kind sir.  Integritas, Amicitia, Animus, Teneo, Veneratio?  Who's your hero?  What about your truth?  Or how about your superhero?  No, I know, what's your lie?  What about your nightmare?  How about you go do some bioenergetics?  Go listen to your fucking Mike and the Mechanics, or do you not remember the song it's not easy?  I don't know who you are and I honestly don't care.  I speak from my experiences and I don't speak for anybody but myself.  I say what I saw with my eyes during my incarceration.  Yes, I said incarceration.  What else do you call a place that the staff is able to withhold and monitor all your communications with family and friends?  Where you are monitored by security at night and every window and door has an alarm?  Don't try to discredit me because you can't believe the truth.
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« Reply #213 on: February 01, 2006, 07:45:00 AM »
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On 2006-02-01 02:09:00, Carlbrook Graduate wrote:

"Ha.  You don't think I went to Carlbrook?  Ask me anything you wish kind sir.  Integritas, Amicitia, Animus, Teneo, Veneratio?  Who's your hero?  What about your truth?  Or how about your superhero?  No, I know, what's your lie?  What about your nightmare?  How about you go do some bioenergetics?  Go listen to your fucking Mike and the Mechanics, or do you not remember the song it's not easy?  I don't know who you are and I honestly don't care.  I speak from my experiences and I don't speak for anybody but myself.  I say what I saw with my eyes during my incarceration.  Yes, I said incarceration.  What else do you call a place that the staff is able to withhold and monitor all your communications with family and friends?  Where you are monitored by security at night and every window and door has an alarm?  Don't try to discredit me because you can't believe the truth."


I've said it all along - the truth will emerge.  It only takes time to get the facts out.  Even the hypervigilance of the program control freaks just can't suppress reality forever.

Thanks for posting, CG.
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« Reply #214 on: February 01, 2006, 08:49:00 AM »
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Don't try to discredit me because you can't believe the truth.


Nah.. don't worry about the trolls-- all they do is try to muck up this forum with misinformation. They are not interested in discussion so much as hiding the truth amongst mass amounts of bullshit.

Welcome to fornits, hope you stick around.
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« Reply #215 on: February 01, 2006, 12:23:00 PM »
When did you graduate, Carlbrook Grad?  You aren't the Carlbrook kid who just got arrested for a felony in Chicago, are you?  Out on bail?  Breaking into 40 cars?  The program didn't work so well for that kid.
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« Reply #216 on: February 01, 2006, 08:58:00 PM »
Nope, wasn't me.  Hearing about that surprised the shit out of me though, he was a nice kid.  He had a nice life too, nice car, the works.
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« Reply #217 on: February 02, 2006, 09:39:00 PM »
Carlbrook Grad is genuine.  I don't know how many of you are ex-program kids, or program parents.  I do know that there is generally a difference of opinion between the kids and the parents.  So I asked my kid, if I had just left you alone, put up with you, continued with therapy and hoped you just outgrew your stupid, destructive phase, would you have been ok?  He said "no."  He said he needed the wilderness to have some time to understand and deal with himself and needed a school such as Carlbrook after that.  If you've ever seen the grief experienced by a parent whose kid is in prison, or dead (and I know both) what happens is that you love your kid, and you'd do absolutely anything for him to be ok.  Including send him to a program.  It hurts.  Ex program kids, think of it this way:  you have a cute, but stupid puppy.  The damn thing runs out into traffic every chance it gets.  It's going to get killed.  First you fence in the back yard.  Puppy digs under the fence and is out in traffic again.  You rescue him in the nick of time, and put him back in the fenced yard, and this time he's tied to a tree.  Puppy is safe, puppy hates it, and you feel like you did the best you could, but you still feel like shit.  You hurt whenever you see poor puppy out in the yard.  You wish he could run loose, and stay out of trouble.  I feel a little better that my kid says he was helped by wilderness and Carlbrook, but it still hurts.  I tried to think about what I'd do if a time machine took us back four years, but I don't have an answer for you.  It still hurts.
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« Reply #218 on: February 02, 2006, 10:05:00 PM »
Ex program kids, think of it this way: you have a cute, but stupid puppy

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« Reply #219 on: February 03, 2006, 12:28:00 AM »
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On 2006-02-02 18:39:00, Selfish Parent wrote:

"Carlbrook Grad is genuine.  I don't know how many of you are ex-program kids, or program parents.  I do know that there is generally a difference of opinion between the kids and the parents.  So I asked my kid, if I had just left you alone, put up with you, continued with therapy and hoped you just outgrew your stupid, destructive phase, would you have been ok?  He said "no."  He said he needed the wilderness to have some time to understand and deal with himself and needed a school such as Carlbrook after that.  If you've ever seen the grief experienced by a parent whose kid is in prison, or dead (and I know both) what happens is that you love your kid, and you'd do absolutely anything for him to be ok.  Including send him to a program.  It hurts.  Ex program kids, think of it this way:  you have a cute, but stupid puppy.  The damn thing runs out into traffic every chance it gets.  It's going to get killed.  First you fence in the back yard.  Puppy digs under the fence and is out in traffic again.  You rescue him in the nick of time, and put him back in the fenced yard, and this time he's tied to a tree.  Puppy is safe, puppy hates it, and you feel like you did the best you could, but you still feel like shit.  You hurt whenever you see poor puppy out in the yard.  You wish he could run loose, and stay out of trouble.  I feel a little better that my kid says he was helped by wilderness and Carlbrook, but it still hurts.  I tried to think about what I'd do if a time machine took us back four years, but I don't have an answer for you.  It still hurts.    "


I have curb trained many a puppy to not run into the street. They never needed a leash to be walked, either. So, do you curb train the puppy, or tie it to a tree? Curb training takes time and patience and there is some risk involved. Tying the puppy to a tree is the lazy way out.

BTW, my former girlfriend, the vet, who taught me to curb train puppies, also taught me how to housebreak them. She NEVER hits or shames the puppy and it only takes about a week. Once again, it requires time and patience and being there.

Oh, sorry. I forgot. You qualified your puppy as stupid.
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« Reply #220 on: February 03, 2006, 02:27:00 AM »
I understand what selfish parent is saying, but I disagree.  Personally, I loved the wilderness.  I was told I should've graduated within 4 weeks but my parents didn't decide what they wanted me to do, so I was out there for close to 2 months.  Honestly, something like that was good for me.  I made a lot of changes.  2 months away from what I was doing was great for me.  Not 2 years.  You don't know whether or not your child would've grown out of it within 2 years.  A lot of the people who went through there still haven't changed a bit.  Is the failure or success a reflection on the program or is it a reflection on their maturation process?  You have to want to change no matter where you are, whether it's a rehab or therapeutic boarding school.  Eventually you're going to realize you want to change or you don't.  If you do, you make the effort to do so yourself.  You make all the changes yourself.  You make all the choices. BTW, I know a lot of families who were forced to sell their houses in order to send their children to Carlbrook.  Don't you think that if they really cared for the well-being of the students and their families they'd have a financial aid program?  How can a company claim to, and in the words of many Carlbrook staff, "be in the business of helping people" and then tell a family they need to come up with the money no matter what the cost to their lives?[ This Message was edited by: Carlbrook Graduate on 2006-02-02 23:43 ]
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« Reply #221 on: February 03, 2006, 09:38:00 AM »
CarlbrookGrad, I sent you a private message.
I agree that wilderness is the strongest part of the program.
There are financial aid/financing plans available for all these schools. There are no scholarships.
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« Reply #222 on: February 05, 2006, 07:47:00 PM »
I don't really understand how alot of you can sit there and say these things about Carlbrook. As a Carlbrook graduate who turned my life around I can say that yes, the school does have some problems, and yes, it doesn't fix anyone (although they never claim that they are supposed to)...but regardless you can't tell me that the people that worked there at that school didn't care. I have been to therapist, I have been to rehab, and I have been to pastors and never did I feel cared about like I did when I was at Carlbrook. While they may be making money, there is no way that they are making bank. First, they haven't even finished building the school yet and second they have to pay staff for 24 hrs a day 7 days a week. For the kids that say they went to Carlbrook and that its bullshit, I think that I want you to get over the bitter attitude that you have from your parents sending you there. You may have given up two years of your high school life but are those years really that great anyways? Also, if your one of the graduates that went back to doing exactly what you were doing before then thats your choice. You made the consious choice to go back and do what you were doing before. No program can take away that choice and at least your parents cared enough about you to make such a big investment into the possiblilty that you may come out a better person with higher morals. If not, then at least they tried. You pointing out all the things wrong with Carlbrook and its staff is just you pointing out all the things wrong in life. I went there too, I went through it too, and I came out and made some bad desisions but overall, I'm a better person and I wouldn't change the experiance for anything.
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« Reply #223 on: February 06, 2006, 04:20:00 PM »
Why is it you people can not speak in terms of what the program does, what the changes are, and how it caused them, specifically, instead of with these glittering generalities?

Its all about feelings, and vague positive things.

And, well, the typical load of shit:

"No program can take away that choice and at least your parents cared enough about you to make such a big investment into the possiblilty that you may come out a better person with higher morals."

What a copout :wstupid:

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« Reply #224 on: February 06, 2006, 04:37:00 PM »
You know what the methods used are, and you don't agree with them!  Why should anyone engage in the same useless dialogue with you.
What works is the peer support, the counseling and mentoring by an excellent (with a few exceptions) staff, the workshops and the emphasis on self-respect and honesty.  What also works are clear consequences for violation of rules.  It is a simple system, but it works.
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