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« Reply #300 on: February 15, 2006, 01:02:00 PM »
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On 2006-02-15 08:31:00, Anonymous wrote:

"O, and by the way, my "kid" is 19 and had the option to leave."


Your kid is 19 and in a program? Do your kid a favor and tell them to get on with their life and save that money for college !
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« Reply #301 on: February 15, 2006, 01:06:00 PM »
DJ- there are plenty of 19 year olds in high school. Many do a post-grad year. Others who change schools repeat a soph or junior year to start the new school and have more time there.  
I still don't understand what is so threatening to you about parents, or KIDS for that matter, who report that Carlbrook helped them and that they are grateful for the turn-around in their lives.  
I have read enough posts on this forum to know that my kid bears no resemblance to any of you. He has better things to do than slam every program in existence and attack any parent or kid who tries to make a positive comment.  And- he did NOT ever resort to saying how wonderful the Carlbrook system was just to make sure he didn't get punished or sent somewhere worse. He was very clear all along how he felt about it. He also was clear about the positives- including the relationships he formed with staff and students. He was kicked out early, so I don't think your theories apply to him.
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« Reply #302 on: February 15, 2006, 01:08:00 PM »
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On 2006-02-15 10:02:00, Anonymous wrote:

"I think possibly it's your own crotch you go for when you're getting off attacking people.  "


My, my.  Do you have a persecution complex or something?  I didn't attack ANYONE AT ALL - you did.  You used an ad hominem fallacy, not me.

If I DO attck you, it certainly won't be in the weak fashion that you employ.  I'll cut your throat in a fair debate.  I don't need to carry on with the fallacies you use because my argument is sound and I can present it logically.  I'm not sure about yours because you haven't tried to say anything intelligent yet (if you did try, you fell miserably short).
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« Reply #303 on: February 15, 2006, 01:14:00 PM »
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On 2006-02-15 10:06:00, Anonymous wrote:

"DJ- there are plenty of 19 year olds in high school. Many do a post-grad year. Others who change schools repeat a soph or junior year to start the new school and have more time there.  

I still don't understand what is so threatening to you about parents, or KIDS for that matter, who report that Carlbrook helped them and that they are grateful for the turn-around in their lives.  

I have read enough posts on this forum to know that my kid bears no resemblance to any of you. He has better things to do than slam every program in existence and attack any parent or kid who tries to make a positive comment.  And- he did NOT ever resort to saying how wonderful the Carlbrook system was just to make sure he didn't get punished or sent somewhere worse. He was very clear all along how he felt about it. He also was clear about the positives- including the relationships he formed with staff and students. He was kicked out early, so I don't think your theories apply to him.

One trick ponies....."


I've only seen ONE KID respond here that Carlbrook was beneficial to him.

On the other hand, I have seen about three parents, you included, that doggedly defend the program and your own actions ad nauseum while speaking in condescending terms to others.  

Who is a "one trick pony"?  You've been at it on this site for MONTHS bringing absolutely no substantive argument, but all the while advocating for a program in which your son (who obviously is better than everyone here, according to your armchair analysis) couldn't even cut it.

I think it's amusing that you paid all that money and your kid failed at Carlbrook, just like a regular school.  What does that tell you?  A failure is a failure, regardless of his surroundings.
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« Reply #304 on: February 15, 2006, 01:15:00 PM »
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I still don't understand what is so threatening to you about parents, or KIDS for that matter, who report that Carlbrook helped them and that they are grateful for the turn-around in their lives.

Do you always say such bullshit? Insinuating being threatened to try to stir up an arguement to get in the way of the facts are you? Ad hominem attacks (even passive aggressive ones) dont make you right... and if you had bothered to read (and comprehend) what we had to say about those reports youd understand why we're worked up over it.

Specifically, that the parents are told a load of shit by the program and the children are held under duress so that if they DONT say the program helped them theyd be punished, busted back a few levels, or if theyre out of the program repremanded by parents or even sent back. ::puke::

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He has better things to do than slam every program in existence and attack any parent or kid who tries to make a positive comment.

Really? why not let him speak for himself. Oh, wait, you speak for him AND want to try to say he advocates your style of not allowing criticism so that programs aren't held accountable, right?

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And- he did NOT ever resort to saying how wonderful the Carlbrook system was just to make sure he didn't get punished or sent somewhere worse.

Right. Just how can you know that when he was still trapped in a little mind control gulag and you were being spoonfed what you wanted to hear? Especially when you rather obviously dont like criticism?

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He was very clear all along how he felt about it. He also was clear about the positives- including the relationships he formed with staff and students. He was kicked out early, so I don't think your theories apply to him.

Really? And just how do you know he wasnt coersed? And why was he 'kicked out' anyway? And if its so good, why are you so against criticism?

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« Reply #305 on: February 15, 2006, 01:18:00 PM »
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I have read enough posts on this forum to know that my kid bears no resemblance to any of you.




 ::bwahaha2::  ::bwahaha::

You are so over-the-top with the ad-hominems, I sometimes wonder if you are fake... a kid pretending to be a crazed program parent as satire, but it's become clear you are serious. That is why I am laughing so hard.
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« Reply #306 on: February 15, 2006, 01:20:00 PM »
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He has better things to do than slam every program in existence and attack any parent or kid who tries to make a positive comment.


Really? why not let him speak for himself. Oh, wait, you speak for him AND want to try to say he advocates your style of not allowing criticism so that programs aren't held accountable, right?


That's another thing I find so funny about this thread. This crazed program parent talks as if she is speaking for her kid (I'm assuming this is a mother, so I'll use she.. just a hunch). If he loves the program, why not let him defend it? How can you defend a program you've never even been to, and even more curious, is why?
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« Reply #307 on: February 15, 2006, 02:03:00 PM »
He doesn't love the program- he hated the program. However, he does not claim it was abusive in any way. He also knows he needed to be removed from home and the community. He is mature enough to accept the consequences of his behavior.
He doesn't feel the need to defend it- he could care less.
I feel the need to help other parents separate the bullshit you guys spew from the reality of what these programs can offer.
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« Reply #308 on: February 15, 2006, 02:12:00 PM »
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On 2006-02-15 11:03:00, Anonymous wrote:

"He doesn't love the program- he hated the program.  

So - could you possibly imagine a form of treatment out there, where the child not only 'gets better' but also does not hate the form of treatment? Do you feel this is a possible scenario, and if so, how?

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However, he does not claim it was abusive in any way.

Good. You should feel lucky. Why is it so hard to imagine that abuse does take place, and your son never saw it/heard of it while there? Is this not a possibility? Since it obviously IS a possibility, why then do you feel it necessary to say things like this:

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I feel the need to help other parents separate the bullshit you guys spew from the reality of what these programs can offer.

You claim to know what is bullshit and what is not bullshit, what gives you the right to claim this skill? Unless you answered 'no', it is impossible that any kid could ever be mistreated, even though your own son was not - then how can you claim to know what is bullshit and what isn't? Please explain.

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He also knows he needed to be removed from home and the community.

Do you think there are better alternatives to send a troubled child than where you sent him?


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He is mature enough to accept the consequences of his behavior.

Are you saying that sending him away was a form of punishment?


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He doesn't feel the need to defend it- he could care less.

Ah, very telling. So why do you feel it necessary to defend it? This was about your son, afterall, wasn't it? You'd think by the amount of time you invest in defending this program, your son would have at least liked it, but instead you admit "he hated it." Where is your motivation coming from? Because it's obviously not from your son and his reports.

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I feel the need to help other parents separate the bullshit you guys spew from the reality of what these programs can offer."


I've read extremely detailed accounts of the same program your son went to, and I find the statements believable and tell a different story than you tell. Please tell me again, why is it that I should believe you over the kids who went through the program?

If your son had claimed the program was abusive, how would you have reacted then?
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« Reply #309 on: February 15, 2006, 02:30:00 PM »
I haven't read any claims that Carlbrook is abusive in any way.
Our son was not sent away as a punishment. The consequences to him were that he lost a year of freedom, a year of athletics, a year of top schooling.  I can't imagine a kid like my son liking any program of this type.  No, there was no better alternative, except perhaps Oakley.
He was helped by the staff and by his peers in some ways, and by himself in others. His issues were anger and entitlement. There was some substance abuse but that was not the core issue. He was enmeshed in a really unhealthy relationship with a girl (by his eventual admission). He had been kicked out of school and had no good educational alternative.
A lot of the kids at Carlbrook really like the program.  Many of them think the restrictiveness is close to what regular boarding schools are like.  My son knew better and resented the lack of cell phones, internet, dating etc.
If there was an alternative to the steps we took, I would have found it.  There wasn't.
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« Reply #310 on: February 15, 2006, 02:54:00 PM »
I have an idea!   Let me go get my kid out of Carlbrook and she can sit around all day and attack people on the internet!  She can demonstrate her magnificent vocabulary and feel good about herself whilst hurling insults.  (Oh, DJ, you're sooo intelligent. How often do you visit quotations.com)DJ, do you have a history of torturing animals?  I'll say this again, you need help.  You are a miserable curmudgeon.  I'm sorry I found this blog because I hate to know there are people like you that enjoy spending your days attempting to make parents feel bad about a choice they made under extreme circumstances. I haven't read enough to know if you are an adult, a parent or a kid but no matter what,  you are an evil shit.
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« Reply #311 on: February 15, 2006, 03:03:00 PM »
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Our son was not sent away as a punishment. The consequences to him were that he lost a year of freedom

I would say you contradicted yourself in this sentence.

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I can't imagine a kid like my son liking any program of this type.

I've met a lot of teens who went through various drug-rehabs and other faciltiies who actually enjoyed the treatment, and at the same time got better. They didn't view it as punishment. These facilities were following the modern treatment model, and didn't usually call themselves 'programs'.

I am curious what type -- as you put it -- of program you consider Carlbrook?


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No, there was no better alternative, except perhaps Oakley.

How can you be so sure? You didn't say, 'I don't know, there are too many options to know for sure', you said no. How can you answer with such certainty, even after your son told you 'he hated the program'?

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He was helped by the staff and by his peers in some ways, and by himself in others.

Sounds applicable to everyday life, learning from those around us and ourselves. I'm curious if the staff had any particular training or specialized education requirements to work with the kids?

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His issues were anger and entitlement.

I understand anger, but what is entitlement? Doesn't that problem start with the family, otherwise, how would he have been taught to feel entitled to anything, was there an outside source other than the family who spoiled him or something? I'm just not sure why I want you to punish someone for a sense of entitlement? I mean -- the real world will solve that one real fast, don't have enough money for your apartment? You get kicked out, no matter how entitled you feel. Did you really have to send him away and spend so much money to teach this simple fact of life? As far as anger, what do you think brought that on?

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There was some substance abuse but that was not the core issue.

Do you feel Carlbrook provides adequete drug counseling for those with drug problems?

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He was enmeshed in a really unhealthy relationship with a girl (by his eventual admission).

Well, who among us hasn't become involved with someone we wished we had never met!? :lol: After several changed phone numbers, I can relate! Do you really think sending him away is a healthy way to deal with this? Isn't it better to teach him responsibility and to be a man and upfront with the girl and break it off if he feels its uneahtlhy? Running away from problems isn't a very healthy alternative as an adult, so why teach this behavior as a teen?

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He had been kicked out of school and had no good educational alternative.

Really? I was kicked out of high school too and was told similar stories. Until I did my own research and found out about a new thing called charter schools, in which I thrived. Sure, I wasn't getting into an ivy-league school graduating from there, but it was better than nothing. I went to community college and transfered to a four year school. I could get into an ivy-league for graduate studies if I wanted [and could afford it, lol]. All this without any help from my parents. So, I'm just saying, sometimes kids take longer than we had hoped. And them falling behind academically is not the end of the world, they can always work there way back up -- it's not hard at all, once you want it.

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A lot of the kids at Carlbrook really like the program. Many of them think the restrictiveness is close to what regular boarding schools are like.

Good. I've been to a few boarding schools, they are pretty relaxed about communication and such, which programs take more seriously in restricting. I haven't been to Carlbrook to compare though, that is why I am asking.

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My son knew better and resented the lack of cell phones, internet, dating etc.

Yeah most teenagers do. I believe the lack of social contact with girls can be a hinderence later in life though.

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If there was an alternative to the steps we took, I would have found it. There wasn't.


At least none that you are aware of... right? Otherwise it suggests you found every single option out there, and still concluded Carlbrook to be the right choice... are you claiming this? How many months/years of research before placing your son did did it take to accomplish this momumental task, if you don't mind my asking?

I'm curious as to why you are so intense with your defense of this program. If there are kids out there saying otherwise, why not give them equal chance to disclose their views of the school (without calling them bullshit)? I am not here to attack, just to try and understand.
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« Reply #312 on: February 15, 2006, 03:30:00 PM »
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On 2006-02-15 11:54:00, Anonymous wrote:

"I have an idea!   Let me go get my kid out of Carlbrook and she can sit around all day and attack people on the internet!  She can demonstrate her magnificent vocabulary and feel good about herself whilst hurling insults.  (Oh, DJ, you're sooo intelligent. How often do you visit quotations.com)DJ, do you have a history of torturing animals?  I'll say this again, you need help.  You are a miserable curmudgeon.  I'm sorry I found this blog because I hate to know there are people like you that enjoy spending your days attempting to make parents feel bad about a choice they made under extreme circumstances. I haven't read enough to know if you are an adult, a parent or a kid but no matter what,  you are an evil shit."


Gee, a little bit of an anger problem, too I see.

Just for your edification, I'm not the anonymous posters you seem to have such trouble with.  I sign my posts and use my login.

Why do you feel I'm evil?  What did I do to you?

I never realized there is a "quotations.com" either.  I am well read, educated and quite successful.  That's precisely why I have time to advocate for children.  Why is that so threatening to you?

Have you realized that the only one here spewing venom and hate is YOU?  You've been treated respectfully.  Why do you feel as though it's OK to treat me and others so shabbily?  It says a lot about you.  

You seem truly unbalanced.  Is this how you relate to your child, with condescension and smug arrogance?  If so, I can see why you'd have problems in raising her.  Who would WANT to be around someone who treats others so poorly?  I wouldn't.

I happen to know a lot about programs because I spent years working in them.  I hold an MSW.  I think I am fully qualified to represent the "other side" of the story.

BTW, have you been drinking today?  Each post is more vitriolic and disorganized than the last.  Are you a stay at home Rummy, er, Mommy?
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« Reply #313 on: February 15, 2006, 06:23:00 PM »
What makes you think I'm a Mommy?  I'm a father and work for a living.  Who's paying your bills?
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« Reply #314 on: February 15, 2006, 06:28:00 PM »
Why not address the dozen or so outstanding questions posed about the program in question?
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