CSA RULES

[leleNtom]

ur the first person i actually believe. ur not as freaking crazy as some ppl on here who like curse and freak out if you try to say its all bs.
 i respect what ur saying. im sorry that happened to you. if something like that would have happenedi would have left, ra, even if i was sent to tranquility bay. i would have been hollering for every ounce of life i had in me. no matter what they did. no body touches me.. i dont even let my mom touch me good or badly. i really am sorry that happened to u..

War is God?s way of teaching Americans geography.

--Ambrose Bierce (died 1914)

[001010]

On 2005-06-15 10:18:00, leleNtom wrote:

"o0o0o0o so i guess i should be brainwashed and all cult like now.. worshipping the program and calling it my savior. theres too much time between seminars to get brainwashed... plus most of the kids dont even get through it... so its hard to get brainwashed or whatever it is that people think happen to them.

Legalizing drugs is far from a panacea for all the distress caused by drugs, but it will eliminate most of the profit and corruption from the drug trade.

--Nobel laureate, Gary S. Becker

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Says the person who started a thread titled: CSA RULES and continues to blindly defend said program.  

for it is a truth, which the experience of all ages has attested, that the people are commonly most in danger when the means of insuring their rights are in the possession of those of whom they entertain the least suspicion.    
--Alexander Hamilton

[leleNtom]

one girl told me im lucky she didnt have long nails cuz  if she did she would have mutalated my pretty face. sick.. im glad im out. im visisting the school in august.. maybe.. but it seems like all the people i liked who were str8 wont be there, so i might not go

Of all the enemies to public liberty, war is, perhaps, the most to be dreaded because it comprises and develops the germ of every other.
--James Madison

[leleNtom]

On 2005-06-15 11:14:00, 001010 wrote:

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On 2005-06-15 10:18:00, leleNtom wrote:


"o0o0o0o so i guess i should be brainwashed and all cult like now.. worshipping the program and calling it my savior. theres too much time between seminars to get brainwashed... plus most of the kids dont even get through it... so its hard to get brainwashed or whatever it is that people think happen to them.

Legalizing drugs is far from a panacea for all the distress caused by drugs, but it will eliminate most of the profit and corruption from the drug trade.


--Nobel laureate, Gary S. Becker

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Says the person who started a thread titled: CSA RULES and continues to blindly defend said program.  

for it is a truth, which the experience of all ages has attested, that the people are commonly most in danger when the means of insuring their rights are in the possession of those of whom they entertain the least suspicion.    
--Alexander Hamilton

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 see your the type of people i dont like talking to on here.. u dont uderstand anything... maybe if u openend ur eyes and saw what im writing.. u could see there is a difference. i defend what i know im ny heart to be right... like EXIT PLAN who seems to understand better than you do... but i still know that i have things i need to deal with becuase of post traumatic strees from being there 3 years. so stay out of what u dont know

A dictatorship would be a heck of a lot easier, there's no question
about it.
--GW Büsh, Business Week, July 30, 2001

[001010]

On 2005-06-15 11:15:00, leleNtom wrote:

"one girl told me im lucky she didnt have long nails cuz  if she did she would have mutalated my pretty face. sick.. im glad im out. im visisting the school in august.. maybe.. but it seems like all the people i liked who were str8 wont be there, so i might not go

Of all the enemies to public liberty, war is, perhaps, the most to be dreaded because it comprises and develops the germ of every other.
--James Madison

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  :exclaim: "Vacillation between speaking very negatively and very positively about the cultic group [program] or individual."

http://wellspringretreat.org/pro/signs.html

Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of it's victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busy-bodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those that torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0802808689/circleofmianithem' target='_new'> C.S. Lewis, God In The Dock

[leleNtom]

DAMN.. i KNEW A girl who pulled her hair out too and i mean eye lashes eye brows chunks of her hair.. she made upper level and went on every kind of probatiob possible one day, ad decided to get out her razor and slice her amrs, wrists, neck ,and legs. after that we  could only have electrical.. she didnt get sent n e where her parents pulled her. they were pissed they put her on probabtion and no one would talk to this girl. they knew she was crazy like that. i was the only who would sit down to try and calm her down. her parents were totally mad when they found out no one liked her but me and a few other girls.... so yeah the program can be messed up

Our Bible reveals to us the character of our god with minute and remorseless exactness... It is perhaps the most damnatory biography that exists in print anywhere. It makes Nero an angel of light and leading by contrast.
--Samuel Clemens "Mark Twain", American author and humorist

[leleNtom]

On 2005-06-15 11:20:00, 001010 wrote:

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On 2005-06-15 11:15:00, leleNtom wrote:


"one girl told me im lucky she didnt have long nails cuz  if she did she would have mutalated my pretty face. sick.. im glad im out. im visisting the school in august.. maybe.. but it seems like all the people i liked who were str8 wont be there, so i might not go

Of all the enemies to public liberty, war is, perhaps, the most to be dreaded because it comprises and develops the germ of every other.
--James Madison

"

  :exclaim: "Vacillation between speaking very negatively and very positively about the cultic group [program] or individual."



http://wellspringretreat.org/pro/signs.html

Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of it's victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busy-bodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those that torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0802808689/circleofmianithem' target='_new'> C.S. Lewis, God In The Dock

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 what>?

The drug war places Leo in a round room and instructs him to piss in a corner.
--Antigen

[leleNtom]

so0o00o true. i stil feel like for everyone else time moved on and so did they, but even though im 17. since  time stopped when i was sent there and i was 14 and still feel like im 14 in a way. damn... trippy

The mystery of the beginning of all things is insoluble by us, and I for one must be content to remain an agnostic.
--Charles Robert Darwin, English naturalist

[leleNtom]

hey i gotta dip.... ill be on later i guess. but i think i got enuff help for one day, or really the last 3 years. thanks again though i do appreciate it

Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0688163157/circlofmiamithem' target='_new'> John F. Kennedy

[001010]

On 2005-06-15 11:26:00, leleNtom wrote:

"so0o00o true. i stil feel like for everyone else time moved on and so did they, but even though im 17. since  time stopped when i was sent there and i was 14 and still feel like im 14 in a way. damn... trippy

The mystery of the beginning of all things is insoluble by us, and I for one must be content to remain an agnostic.
--Charles Robert Darwin, English naturalist

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I definitely know the feeling.

Take care, leleNtom.

Power concedes nothing without a demand. The limit of oppression is determined by the extent of the endurance of the oppressed.
--Frederick Douglas

[leleNtom]

what about those kids who are still in csa and arent doing n e thing to get out. like the le vel one refusers. will they be programized when they leave or are they the ones who remain straight. it seems like the more they refuse the more they put on the seminars and stuff. but then again the more they refuse the less anyone pays attention to them.

I do not find in orthodox Christianity one redeeming feature.
--Thomas Jefferson, U.S. President, author, scientist, architect, educator, and diplomat

[OverLordd]

what about those kids who are still in csa and arent doing n e thing to get out. like the le vel one refusers. will they be programized when they leave or are they the ones who remain straight. it seems like the more they refuse the more they put on the seminars and stuff. but then again the more they refuse the less anyone pays attention to them.

I say God bless them, because these are the real children, those ones with spirits that do not bend and break. Those that did not bend over and take it up the ass by the propaganda, like the graduates did. Hopefully they will eventually turn 18 and sue the school for blocking their mental, social, and physical development as well as whatever they want to sue for. I look up to these kids, because thats what they still are, kids, and they wont let any one take that from them, even some bitch with a t-shirt that says "Councilor" or what have you. Its the people that alowed them selfs to break that I feel sorry for.[ This Message was edited by: OverLordd on 2005-06-16 06:51 ]

[001010]

On 2005-06-16 05:24:00, leleNtom wrote:

"what about those kids who are still in csa and arent doing n e thing to get out. like the le vel one refusers. will they be programized when they leave or are they the ones who remain straight. it seems like the more they refuse the more they put on the seminars and stuff. but then again the more they refuse the less anyone pays attention to them.

I do not find in orthodox Christianity one redeeming feature.
--Thomas Jefferson, U.S. President, author, scientist, architect, educator, and diplomat

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Of course what happens around them soaks in inevitably. Just like children growing up watching a father abuse a mother or sibling.  What's harmful is that these are the kids that usually get come down on the hardest for non-conformity to the program. In some of the harder overseas WWASPS programs, those kids are put in solitary confinement, pepper-sprayed, hog-tied, or made to stay in OP for days at a time. The emotional torture of social isolation-punishment, or separation from the group (the feeling of being completely alone) is very damaging to a child's psyche. Will they be programmed? Programmed to hate themselves and feel deep-rooted guilt for not being a part of the group - which lays the ground work for self-destructive or violent behavior. So yes, they will be. There are many different facets to the psychological and physical abuses that occur in the program environment.

So, both types are broken, just in different ways. Their survival instincts kick in, and some kids conform, while others fight it tooth and nail.  That depends on all kinds of things, like age, emotional stability, personality, adaptability?etc.

In the end I think understanding what happened to us is the most valuable thing we can learn. You're very lucky to be able to learn this so soon after it happened to you, leleNtom. I have two friends that were in the program at the same time that I was. Both went through exit counseling afterward. I always remind them how fortunate they were to have been given that opportunity.


Take care, leleNtom.

Drug War tells us everyone's body is common property
to be managed by the central government for our own
good, even if it kills us.  This is Communism!
Drug Policy Foundation of Texas

--Bob Ramsey

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EST (Lifespring) '83
Salesmanship Club '84-'86
Straight, Inc. '86-'88

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. ~ Edmund Burke

[Anonymous]

THANKS.. Though i dont think any one was hogt tied or pepper sprayed, un fortunately.. i think maybe they dshould have. it would have shut them up  from compaining all the damn time and bitchin about life. oh well. im glasdi never went to op

[001010]

I have a video tape in my possession of Randall Hinton (former staff at WWASPS's Tranquility Bay in Jamaica) admitting to hog-tying and pepper-spraying a boy whose name I won't mention in the public viewing area.

The tape is a British documentary film, and is very real.

The question before the human race is, whether the God of nature shall govern the world by his own laws, or whether priests and kings shall rule it by fictitious miracles.
--John Adams, U.S. President

_________________
EST (Lifespring) '83
Salesmanship Club '84-'86
Straight, Inc. '86-'88

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. ~ Edmund Burke