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« Reply #45 on: June 15, 2005, 01:15:00 PM »
If only there were evil people somewhere, insidiously committing evil deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?
--Alexandr Solzhenitsyn  



i'd like to change good and evil to truth and lies

If only there were liars  somewhere, insidiously committing lies, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing honesty and dishonesty cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?
--Alexandr Solzhenitsyn  

who is telling the truth in all these post... just think about it.. i think most of this isnt going to get anywhere... even if its the most credidted and believeable story. no matter how many facts... i mean look how many there are now... with this many it is possible to get wwasp shut down, sue, and send people to jail. i mean kids say they have witnesses, thats sure as as hell enough proof. but really. its not, or something major would have allready been done. the site is a like its own war against who can be more dramatic over the so called " abuse " in wwasp programs. i wish that everyone who had a story and was telling the truth, that something was done about it, but they obvioulsy dont care that much to sue, or else I would have never went to program.

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« Reply #46 on: June 15, 2005, 01:18:00 PM »
o0o0o0o so i guess i should be brainwashed and all cult like now.. worshipping the program and calling it my savior. theres too much time between seminars to get brainwashed... plus most of the kids dont even get through it... so its hard to get brainwashed or whatever it is that people think happen to them.

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« Reply #47 on: June 15, 2005, 01:21:00 PM »
o0 i forgot to add.. those people have to be reallllllllly good to brainwash a student, none of the staff or majorit never went to college... even the facilitators arent great at what they do.. ive never had a degree in phsycology or socialogy, and i could probably do their job. its just giving the facts of todays wwasp programs, as in right here and now programs... its hard to believe it is a cult. but if thats how people see it, then well thats how they see it

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« Reply #48 on: June 15, 2005, 01:21:00 PM »
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"o0o0o0o so i guess i should be brainwashed and all cult like now.. worshipping the program and calling it my savior. theres too much time between seminars to get brainwashed... plus most of the kids dont even get through it... so its hard to get brainwashed or whatever it is that people think happen to them.

Legalizing drugs is far from a panacea for all the distress caused by drugs, but it will eliminate most of the profit and corruption from the drug trade.

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It's not hard at all. In fact, it's very easy. They do it to the parents in only 3 short days.

You claim the program helped you and that tehre is no abuse despite evidence to the contrary. You continue to spout WWASPie propanganda. I'm no professional, but I'd say you're brainwashed. WWASP is an abusive cult. That is a fact.
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« Reply #49 on: June 15, 2005, 01:23:00 PM »
no i wouldnt say brainwashed.... i dont use their terms or follow their rules for after grads. i just know what im talking about. its like if some one were spreading stuff about u or ur frend or family... ud stick up for them. did they brain wash u? no... the probablt taught u that if some one speaks about u in the wrong way u stick up for your self, right?

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« Reply #50 on: June 15, 2005, 01:25:00 PM »
Dr. Robert J. Lifton's Eight Criteria for Thought Reform
 

1. Milieu Control.  This involves the control of information and communication both within the environment and, ultimately, within the individual, resulting in a significant degree of isolation from society at large.

2. Mystical Manipulation.  There is manipulation of experiences that appear spontaneous but in fact were planned and orchestrated by the group or its leaders in order to demonstrate divine authority or spiritual advancement or some special gift or talent that will then allow the leader to reinterpret events, scripture, and experiences as he or she wishes.

3. Demand for Purity.  The world is viewed as black and white and the members are constantly exhorted to conform to the ideology of the group and strive for perfection.  The induction of guilt and/or shame is a powerful control device used here.

4. Confession.  Sins, as defined by the group, are to be confessed either to a personal monitor or publicly to the group.  There is no confidentiality; members' "sins," "attitudes," and "faults" are discussed and exploited by the leaders.

5. Sacred Science.  The group's doctrine or ideology is considered to be the ultimate Truth, beyond all questioning or dispute.  Truth is not to be found outside the group.  The leader, as the spokesperson for God or for all humanity, is likewise above criticism.

6. Loading the Language.  The group interprets or uses words and phrases in new ways so that often the outside world does not understand.  This jargon consists of thought-terminating clichés, which serve to alter members' thought processes to conform to the group's way of thinking.

7. Doctrine over person.  Member's personal experiences are subordinated to the sacred science and any contrary experiences must be denied or reinterpreted to fit the ideology of the group.

8. Dispensing of existence.  The group has the prerogative to decide who has the right to exist and who does not.  This is usually not literal but means that those in the outside world are not saved, unenlightened, unconscious and they must be converted to the group's ideology.  If they do not join the group or are critical of the group, then they must be rejected by the  members.  Thus, the outside world loses all credibility.  In conjunction, should any member leave the group, he or she must be rejected also.  (Lifton, 1989)

Sounds like WWASP, alright...
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« Reply #51 on: June 15, 2005, 01:30:00 PM »
but why? i mean i get that thats probably what they are doing... but for what motive... seems like unlike some cults and brainwashing systems, they are doing it for the benifit of kids who are struggling. why else? its not to cover anything up, if it were it would be hipocracy. its like them hitting me, and then me going thru a seminar and tellin me i need to talk about my issues. being hit is an issue.  does this make sense?

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« Reply #52 on: June 15, 2005, 01:34:00 PM »
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"but why? i mean i get that thats probably what they are doing... but for what motive... seems like unlike some cults and brainwashing systems, they are doing it for the benifit of kids who are struggling. why else? its not to cover anything up, if it were it would be hipocracy. its like them hitting me, and then me going thru a seminar and tellin me i need to talk about my issues. being hit is an issue.  does this make sense?

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No, it doesn't make much sense, but I've heard dozens of stories like that from various WWASP facilities. A kid gets beaten up by staff (oh, I'm sorry, "restrained"  :roll: ), and the staff tells the kid, "it's your fault. If you would have chosen to follow the rules, this wouldn't have happened". This is the true manipulation. Not the complaints the kids make.

You ask why they do all this? Follow the money. Lichfield and co. are greedy pigs. They're after money and power. They don't want to help anyone but their bank accounts.

As for the program helping kids... I doubt it very much. The porgram teaches them to be compliant and believe in the program and defend it. Nothing else. I don't know about you, but that doesn't fall in line with my definition of "help".
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« Reply #53 on: June 15, 2005, 01:39:00 PM »
i do agree on the money thing.. i always felt that way... it seemed like some one was always rollin in with a new mercedes, but we still had mold on the bathroom wall, or not enough sports equiptment for the girls side. but i still think that what the program did ( my school at least ) wasnt harmful. i cant call n e one a liar who hae stories from before i went to csa or from any other school. alli can tell u is what happend while i was there, with or without the brain washing that everyone thinks went on, no one was abused. thats honest truth. i do know girls who you would consider programized, u know calls out there peers and thinks they will be living by the program their whole life, im not one of the, and i never was. i never followed their rules and i was never beaten or anything like that. i graduated because i complied not applied as they would say. i just did what i had to, to go home. but again, i wasnt the type of girl who was into the program, neither are my parents, but are family life is doing ok. i have no scars. except that i have been gone for so long i have a lot of cathcing up to do on the new styles and music and materialist things  like that.

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« Reply #54 on: June 15, 2005, 01:42:00 PM »
Why? So after holding teens against there will for YEARS, they get free advertising machines who spout their propoganda for years. They get parents who refer other kids to the program, they get the appearance of a succesful program. The glazed over stare of a upper-level student and their parents at PC1 is enough proof. You've seen the look if you've graduated. The look on parents' faces when they have an independent thought and think, 'hmm- maybe this is all bullshit'. Until a group of peers reassures the parent the are doing the right thing. It's all a big scam to make money.

Tell me this since you were at the program, as was I. Why does the program cost so much money? Did you receive what you would consider 'treatment'? Did you see a therapist, a psychiatrist, a doctor? Why would spending so much time isolated from you family help you acclimate when you return home?

The entire program is setup as a system of control, including the seminars. Why are the seminars spaced so infrequently? Because it costs your parents MORE MONEY! Think about it. The seminars are a joke, the people that 'give themselves' to the seminars are retarded. I've been through them, I know they are a joke. To some people they aren't a joke, and take it all to heart. These are definitely 'brainwashed' people. The parents who decide to become facilitators.

I went through my first discovery with David Gilcrease as the facilitator, and that guy is crazy. I'd love to run into that fucker sometime in public, he humiliated everyone in the room.   :skull: The next facilitator didn't, and I easily made it through. So it all depends on a lot of things, but I know for a fact, from first hand experience, these programs are just a scam.

They cam about in response to parents demands for 'tougher' programs, based not on reality and scientific evidence of what helps teens. No, this is based on Lifespringn theory of mind control. Why do you think they call it 'behavior modification' and not treatment? Because they cant call it treatment, because it isnt. WWASP is a business, only interested in making more money. They will take in any kid they can find, no matter what. That kid will be stuck there for a couple years if there parents can afford it, and come out worse than they went in usually. Worse because they learned to adapt to a program, not the REAL SYSTEM we all live in as adults. It puts them at a distinct disadvantage, and the program becomes all they know. You need to learn to cope in the real world, because its reality. The program is not reality, its a place for rich parents to send their problem kids. What happens when a facility has 500 kids and maybe 2 dozen local staff 'without college degrees and training'? Abuse happens, these type of facilities attract sadistic people.  :skull:

We see recent graduates every once in a while come on these boards, and they all sound like you. I wish you good luck in your life, because after being there for a long time you'll need it.
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« Reply #55 on: June 15, 2005, 01:47:00 PM »
probably so... i know as im out on my own without the damn contract ill probably be doin what i gotta to make up for the 3 years lost in the csa. im ok with accepting the program is wack and full of it,,, i always thought that. but i dont agree with the physical abuse. becase it never happend, articles or not... its just didnt

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« Reply #56 on: June 15, 2005, 01:50:00 PM »
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i dont agree with the physical abuse. becase it never happend, articles or not... its just didnt


One of the things the program does is make its captives accept WWASP's definition of abuse, which is different from that used in the real world. Many things that happen in WWASP facilities, and which WWASP doesn't consider abuse, are considered abuse in the real world.
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« Reply #57 on: June 15, 2005, 01:54:00 PM »
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i dont agree with the physical abuse. becase it never happend, articles or not... its just didnt



One of the things the program does is make its captives accept WWASP's definition of abuse, which is different from that used in the real world. Many things that happen in WWASP facilities, and which WWASP doesn't consider abuse, are considered abuse in the real world. "

 i know what the fuck abuse is.. physical,verbal,emotional,sexual... that didnt happen there. no one ever laid a hand well staff didnt i cant say girls didnt. in the time i was there only 2 girls got in a fight and it was like a slap in the face... thats not a fight, i been in plenty and slappin isnt fighting. and no staff was hit, maybe pushed... if anything the pathetic staff memebers endured more abuse

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« Reply #58 on: June 15, 2005, 01:57:00 PM »
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i dont agree with the physical abuse. becase it never happend, articles or not... its just didnt





One of the things the program does is make its captives accept WWASP's definition of abuse, which is different from that used in the real world. Many things that happen in WWASP facilities, and which WWASP doesn't consider abuse, are considered abuse in the real world. "


 i know what the fuck abuse is.. physical,verbal,emotional,sexual... that didnt happen there. no one ever laid a hand well staff didnt i cant say girls didnt. in the time i was there only 2 girls got in a fight and it was like a slap in the face... thats not a fight, i been in plenty and slappin isnt fighting. and no staff was hit, maybe pushed... if anything the pathetic staff memebers endured more abuse

Homeschool is self regulating. The school board is not going to have illiterate useless people living in their homes forever if they don't have a working education policy.

--Sisterbluerose


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Considering what I know about the program, I find that very hard to believe. What about restraints? the OP building? I'm sure WWASP didn't just do away with that, tah twould break the entire program apart.

You were just don't that OP was only for violent kids who tried to hurt themselves, I guess. And according to the program, anyone who doesn't comply with the rules in trying to hurt him/her self  :roll: So in their twisted mind, it actually makes sense. But that doesn't mean it's okay or that it's not abuse.
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« Reply #59 on: June 15, 2005, 02:04:00 PM »
yeah someone said they take kids who get cat 3,4 and 5's to o.p. they dont. actually they chilled out alot with the o.p they changed what it was called and eveything. to make it sound less intimidating. but maybe.. maybe 5 girls went while i was there, and they were the same girls who kept tryin to flippin kill peopl. damn phsycos.

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