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« Reply #120 on: July 21, 2005, 11:19:00 PM »
http://www.spinwatch.org/modules.php?na ... e&sid=1100

Article on Laurie Flynn- Teen Screen's Top Promoter

Excerpts:
Most screening programs take place in schools, Flynn said, but the program can also be implemented in residential treatment facilities, foster care settings, clinics, shelters, drop-in centers and other settings that serve youth.
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« Reply #121 on: July 25, 2005, 01:09:00 PM »
http://www.illinoisleader.com/opinion/o ... sp?c=17950

GUEST OPINION: Universal mental health screenings: a call to rally
Tuesday, July 27, 2004

- Penny Pullen, former state rep and President of Eagle Forum of IL

As planned for all children in Illinois, during the state's required physical exams an evaluation of a child's mental health will soon be included.

OPINION -- A recent letter-to-the-editor writer first asked how such an invasive law as Illinois' new universal mental health screening atrocity could be passed, and then answered, essentially, that anything can pass any time if it's characterized as being "for children."

This may be true today, sad to say, but once upon a time, it was not. And so, I'm not so sure it is true.

Time and again, during the 16 years I was a state representative, sheeply-dressed wolfish legislation was defeated.

(Mandatory "parenting education" comes to mind, for example ... defeated over and over until its sponsor finally left office.)

Indeed, when I first learned of this legislation last week -- to my horror -- my first reaction was to wonder where all the "good guys" must have been when this was going on. It should not take 50,000 phone calls from "back home" to block such an obvious invasion of family life ... even in a legislature which is dominated by the more liberal of the two parties. A vigilant and active citizenry is helpful and even necessary, no doubt about it. But where are the pro-family spokesmen
within the legislature? How could the Senate, where noted, veteran conservatives serve, have let this go through without a single opposing
vote? Were the new conservatives in the House whom I've heard such good things about sleeping when this abomination attracted only five
negative votes there?

Now that our leaders have let us down, the families of Illinois must speak out about this thing and demand that it be repealed before it can
actually damage anything more than the  reputations of our "good guys" in Springfield.

Citizens who live in districts whose representatives and senators prize their pro-family reputations should be contacting them right now to respectfully request that they undo what their apparent inattention has wrought.

It is possible; I recall a time when a bill sneaked through to legalize the possession of machine guns (in limited, controlled circumstances) in Illinois. When it was discovered by the media, legislators in
Springfield rushed to repeal it at the first opportunity. Though conventional media no doubt will yawn over the issues inherent in the
mental health screening law (will parents who refuse to let their children be put on Ritalin, for example, be declared neglectful and forced to comply?), citizens can raise their voices to their own legislators, and unconventional media (like IllinoisLeader.com) can raise quite a ruckus (thank you!).

So I urge your readers to take this on as a crusade. Do not be disheartened by the lack of stewardship this law's passage has exposed.
Instead, look on this episode as a rallying cause for taking back government. The critical thing is to rise up now, when the enormity of this has first come to light and before the psych teams, social workers and bureaucrats have been hired.

[Penny Pullen is the state president of Eagle Forum of Illinois and a former Illinois state representative]
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« Reply #122 on: August 11, 2005, 07:38:00 PM »
So how many kids are being dx'd/rs'd for mental illness that are actually symptoms caused by Thimerisol preserved vaccines? How many are/will be sent to teen warehouses? So, why is autism virtually unknown amongst the Amish, who don't immunize their children? Time to put pressure on Fineberg and the IOM.

http://tinyurl.com/dauys
Robert F. Kennedy Jr.: Vaccines and Autism: Looking for the Truth? Study the Amish
Robert F. Kennedy Jr.Tue Aug 9, 3:09 AM ET

On Sunday morning's Meet the Press, Dr. Harvey Fineberg, president of the Institute of Medicine, debated New York Times reporter and author David
Kirby about the strength of the science linking the current epidemic of neurological disorders among American children to the mercury-based vaccine preservative Thimerosal. The Institute of Medicine as well as the Centers for Disease Control and the Food and Drug Administration base their defense of Thimerosal on four flimsy studies ginned up by the pharmaceutical industry and federal regulators who green-lighted the use of Thimerosal in the first place. Those fraudulent studies deliberately targeted European
populations which were exposed to a fraction of the Thimerosal given to American children.

If Dr. Fineberg genuinely wants to test his assertions about Thimerosal safety with epidemiological data, he should commission a study comparing American children who were exposed to vaccines to the Amish, Jehovah's
Witnesses, Christian Scientists or others, who, for religious reasons, did not receive Thimerosal-laced vaccines.

A recent survey by United Press found that autism is virtually unknown among Pennsylvania's large Amish populations -- a strong indication that vaccines are indeed a principal culprit of the epidemic. Despite the repeated urgings of independent scientists and the families of autistic children, the federal agencies involved have refused to commission such a study and have closed federal vaccine files in order to derail the creation of those studies by outside scientists.

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« Reply #123 on: August 12, 2005, 12:32:00 PM »
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On 2005-07-21 20:19:00, Deborah wrote:

"http://www.spinwatch.org/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=1100



Article on Laurie Flynn- Teen Screen's Top Promoter



Excerpts:

Most screening programs take place in schools, Flynn said, but the program can also be implemented in residential treatment facilities, foster care settings, clinics, shelters, drop-in centers and other settings that serve youth.





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This is a little off the topic of TeenScreen but
a couple of weeks ago a woman co-worker of mine
(low income) took her 13 year old son to an
outfit called Region Ten for a medical checkup.
I infered from the son's story that Region Ten
was offering checkups for free or a nominal cost.
(btw this is all in Charlottesville, VA). Before
or after the usual checkup they hand the kid a
questionaire asking about drug/alcohol use. The
kid did not admit any drug/alcohol use at all.
They come back to his mother with a dx that the
kid is a drug addict. They now have the kid in
outpatient treatment - NOT free. Mom and mom's
boyfriend also have to attend "drug education"
classes and cough up more money for that.
If anyone misses a class or she misses a payment
they'll call Social Services and get her kids
taken away for neglect! How's that for a scam?!

A faith that cannot survive collision with the truth is not worth many regrets.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0312878214/qid=1122338640/circlofmiamithem' target='_new'>Arthur C. Clark

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« Reply #124 on: August 12, 2005, 01:40:00 PM »
Not the least bit surprising, Tommy. Every time I look at this topic, I'm tempted to correct what I perceive as a logical error. This latest grab has not been the beginning of mental screening in schools. Read up on NEA policy and other litterature. This is just the latest round of mission creep in an ongoing progrom. The initial signal of the end of parental rights wrt education and child rearing came as far back as Horace Mann's first trip to Prussia.

Here's a good read on that:
http://www.thomhartmann.com/realschool.shtml

The Christian faith from the beginning, is sacrifice: the sacrifice of all freedom, all pride, all self-confidence of spirit; it is at the same time subjection, a self-derision, and self-mutilation.
--Freidrich Nietzsche, German philosopher

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« Reply #125 on: August 12, 2005, 02:12:00 PM »
Screening can take place outside of schools. I don't know if TS has been initiated in Va. Do you?
This could be part of the 'war on drugs' initiative. And, they could possibly interface. Warn the mom that a psych dx/rx could be next.
If that were to ocur and she didn't have the resource to fight it, I'd say she should take the 'free' drugs (if she is on Medicaid) and flush them down the toilet to avoid CPS taking the child for alleged medical neglect.

Here's a list of TV news clips that reveal how TMAP (Bush/Pharmaco's baby) was hatched in Texas. How much $$$ the drug companies gave the MH Dept in Tx to create TMAP, which would list their expensive drugs. (Like $8/pill vs .08/pill) A state employee's expenses were paid by one of the drug companies to travel around and pitch TMAP to other states.
Kids in foster care (mostly low income kids of color) were the guinea pigs for TMAP. Some of their painful stories are included in the links. Texas taxpayers paid out $245 Million in 2004 for psych drugs for this group. Some kids on as many as 14- some that were not approved for use in children, some rx'd off-label.
Best to watch the investigative reports in the proper order.

http://keyetv.com/investigativevideo/

5/5/04- Failing Texas Foster Children
7/23/04- Psychiatric Drugs
9/30/04- Drugs and Your Tax Dollars
11/4/04- Medicaid Fraud
11/17/04- Texas, Children and Drugs
11/24/04- Children and Antidepressants
3/1/05- Money, Influence and Mental Health

The last really exposes the fraud perpetrated by state MH Dept employees and drug companies. The spokesperson for the Dept would not go on camera, but sent a letter which contained a blatant lie which the reporter uncovers.
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« Reply #126 on: August 12, 2005, 02:16:00 PM »
***This is just the latest round of mission creep in an ongoing progrom.

Indeed. A cleverly planned scam.
Hook up with drug companies and create TMAP. Promote it nation wide.
Initiate Teen Screen to dx thousands/millions of unsuspecting americans and their children.
Sell your drugs at 10 TIMES the cost of generic.
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« Reply #127 on: August 16, 2005, 02:26:00 PM »
Screening + Expansion of DSM = Large Profits

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/com ... t-opinions

August 14, 2005 latimes.com
Are we all going mad, or are the experts crazy?
By Stuart A. Kirk
STUART A. KIRK is a professor of social welfare at UCLA. He is the coauthor of "The Selling of DSM" and "Making Us Crazy." His most recent book is "Mental Disorders in the Social Environment: Critical

PSYCHIATRIC researchers recently estimated that half of the American population has had or will have a mental disorder at some time in their life. A generation ago, by contrast, only a small percentage of the American population was considered mentally ill. Are we all going mad?

Freud started this. He made us suspicious that any behavior was potentially rife with psychopathology. As a neurologist, he used the medical language of pathology to suggest that the demands of civilization on our fragile human
nature were such as to make all of us somewhat neurotic.

The current psychiatric bible published by the American Psychiatric Assn., "The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders," or the DSM, continues this tradition of making us all crazy.

Because there are no biological tests, markers or known causes for most mental illnesses, who is counted as ill depends almost entirely on
frequently changing checklists of behaviors that the DSM considers as symptoms of mental disorder. In the recent research, lay interviewers asked
a sample of people to respond to lengthy questionnaires based on the DSM lists. Computer programs then counted the responses to determine if those interviewed had ever had the required number of behaviors for any mental disorder at some time in their life.

We keep getting higher estimates of mental disorders in part because the APA keeps adding new disorders and more behaviors to the manual.

Since 1979, for example, some of the new disorders and categories that have been added include panic disorder, generalized anxiety disorder, post-traumatic stress disorder, social phobia, borderline personality disorder, gender identity disorder, tobacco dependence disorder, eating disorders, conduct disorder, oppositional defiant disorder, identity disorder, acute stress disorder, sleep disorders, nightmare disorder,
rumination disorder, inhibited sexual desire disorders, premature ejaculation disorder, male erectile disorder and female sexual arousal
disorder. If you don't see yourself on that list, don't fret, more are in the works for the next edition of the DSM.

Because so little is known about the causes of most mental disorders, just about any behavior can look like a symptom. Here is a selection from
hundreds of behaviors listed in the DSM, behaviors that signify one disorder or another: restlessness, irritability, sleeping too much or too little, eating too much or too little, difficulty concentrating, fear of social
situations, feeling morose, indecisiveness, impulsivity, self-dramatization, being inappropriately sexually seductive or provocative, requiring excessive admiration, having a sense of entitlement, lacking empathy, fear of being criticized in public, feeling personally inept, fear of rejection or
disapproval, difficulty expressing disagreement, being excessively devoted to work and productivity, and being preoccupied with details, rules and lists.

For children, signs of disorder occur when they are deceitful, break rules, can't sit still or wait in lines, have trouble with math, don't pay
attention to details, don't listen, don't like to do homework or lose their school assignments or pencils, or speak out of turn.

Granted, one momentary feeling or behavior will not qualify you as having a DSM mental disorder; it requires clusters of them, usually for several
weeks, accompanied by some level of discomfort. Nevertheless, as Freud suggested, the signs of potential pathology are everywhere.

The vast broadening of the definition of mental disorders has its skeptics, myself included, who are suspicious of the motivations of the APA and the drug companies that may view the expanding sweep of mental disorders like a lumber company lusting after a redwood forest. But unlike the environment, with its leagues of watchdogs, the medicalization of human foibles has few
challengers. That's too bad: The misdiagnosis of mental illness often leaves a lasting trail in medical records open to schools, employers, insurance companies and courts.

Does it advance psychiatry to view an increasing expanse of human troubles as the expression of psychopathology rather than as part of the texture and diversity of life? Psychiatry once focused on the prevention and treatment of serious behavioral problems, of which there are plenty. But based on the metastasizing DSM, the psychiatric association appears to be caught up in a contemporary narcissistic quest for individual perfection.

The grand American experiment once was an attempt to structure our social and political institutions to create a more civil and just society. Perhaps, frustrated that we still contend with gross inequality, stinging poverty and rampant political and corporate corruption, we now embrace the perfectibility of individuals, not social institutions.

The public is being asked to swallow the view that all manner of human troubles - from anxiety, interpersonal squabbles to misbehavior of many
kinds - be viewed not as inevitable parts of the human comedy, but as psychopathology to be treated, usually with drugs, as expugnable illnesses. The implicit ideal - the healthy, normal and truly happy camper - will, properly medicated, harbor no serious worries or animosities, no sadness over losses or failures, no disappointments with children or spouses, no
doubts about themselves or conflicts with others, and certainly no strange ideas or behaviors. Their moods will be perfectly controlled in all
circumstances, and bad hair days will be things of the past.

Is it inevitable that the rest of us, the recalcitrant, flawed resisters to the movement for individual perfection, will show up in future counts of the mentally disordered? Count me in.
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« Reply #128 on: August 17, 2005, 12:45:00 AM »
Deborah,

What happens if someone gets treated for a newly identified disorder and it works, improving their lives and for those around them and creating a more successful person?

What do you say then?

What would you say directly to them?

What if it was you?

Would you not seek treatment because the diagnosit classification is new.

Do you only drive old cars?
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« Reply #129 on: August 17, 2005, 06:54:00 AM »
If gvt. can force a person to undergo psychiatric testing and "treatments", why can't they force hospital patients to submit to HIV tests?  

If a hospital employee gets stuck with a dirty needle, the patient is asked to submit to an HIV test (it's fast-HIV test, results back in 24 hours.)  This way, the hospital worker will know if they need a course of anti-viral drugs.  

If the patient refuses, however, to submit to the test, there is nothing we can do.  

In Washington dc, something like 50% of the population is HIV+
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« Reply #130 on: August 17, 2005, 09:43:00 AM »
Excuse me but, isn't 50 % a little over exagerated? You seriously believe that half of Washington is HIV positive? I think not. I would say it's more along the lines of 7-9 %.
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« Reply #131 on: August 17, 2005, 09:48:00 AM »
You have a problem with ?old cars?? What does that say about a person? Do they too have a, yet to be diagnosed, mental illness. ?Paranoia of Debt? perhaps?

The increase in the number of MIs must be how the government hatched the notion that half of all Americans are suffering from at MI or will.  

Do you believe that?

Do you believe that it?s government role to use tax dollars to screen for MIs?

Do you believe this is a show of ?caring? for American citizens?

I say no to all.

I really do support people taking drugs if that?s what they choose to do. I also support euthanasia. I think people should be accurately informed. I don?t support the gov?t using tax dollars to screen/dx/rx the majority of the population for the sole purpose of lining the pockets of BigPharm and their shareholders. I don?t support screening or force. If you?ve read this thread then you know that Tx was the ?proving ground? for this initiative and there?s ample information posted here to give one an idea of the discrepancies in how they say it?s going to go down, and how it actually does.

If the gov?t really ?cared? about the well being of it?s citizens, and given that heart disease is the number one killer and 60% of the population is obese, wouldn?t they hatch a campaign to find all those who are at risk? Get them on some diet pills? Force them to have their kids stomachs stapled, or loose them to CPS. Require fast food venders and food manufacturers to remove trans fats. Take the junk out of schools and return to wholesome lunches.

So, you keep drivin your new car while under the influence of legal mind altering drugs, and I?ll continue to share information that some may find useful.
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« Reply #132 on: August 17, 2005, 10:08:00 AM »
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On 2005-08-17 03:54:00, bandit1978 wrote:

"If gvt. can force a person to undergo psychiatric testing and "treatments", why can't they force hospital patients to submit to HIV tests?  




I am not sure, but I think that Teen Screen, or
any pysciatric care is voluntary unless court ordered.

Someone else can probably verify this, meaning
if these assessments and treatments are voluntary
or not.
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« Reply #133 on: August 17, 2005, 10:19:00 AM »
Using old cars may not have been a good choice
of an example :smile:

I appreciate your answers. With one flaw, you said
to check out your previous posts. I did a little.
You call medication users drug addicts many times.
Is that really the same as using street drugs like crystal meth?

On that diagnois list from the new book it mentioned PTSD, for example, which is new, but really I think from watching war movies it is an up to date "shell shocked" diagnosis.

The VA is treating alot of Iraq veterans returning
with PTSD, no one disputes that, I don't think.

According to the author of the book, it would be
hooie because it came after 1979.

Should the US not treat PTSD?

There are already 300,000 homeless vets from previous wars!

I think it would be a disgrace to not help
people because a diagnosis was recently added
to the DSM.

Sometims saying "get over it" may not be the right thing to say. We might create another 300,000 homeless vets that way.

I am not sure if PTSD is treated by medications anyway. So what would be the harm in utilizing that diagnosis.
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« Reply #134 on: August 17, 2005, 10:21:00 AM »
I forgot to mention that you where right on in
your comments about obesity and not much being
done about it.

Probably obesity causes more problems than
mental illness.

Maybe those 50% of the population that are
mentally ill are also obese, and there is
some sort of correlation? Just a thought ...
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