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« Reply #90 on: June 23, 2005, 02:04:00 PM »
Safeguards to preserve the voluntary nature of screening:

Do it on Saturday, don't use school personnel, just use the school building.  Have the same personnel rotate to different schools on different Saturdays.

Forbid faculty and staff from being on campus that Saturday to safeguard the students' privacy and the truly voluntary nature of the process.

I don't think people who object to abortion should get a choice about paying for the abortions or morning after pills of impoverished rape victims.

I'm a minarchist, not an anarchist.  Early screening and treatment *for the families that want it* is part of keeping the streets safe--falls under roads, fire stations, and police kinds of services.  So yes, I think it's okay to use your taxes for it.

On the other hand, I *don't* think it's okay to take your taxes for compulsory education without *you* getting to pick the school your tax dollars for your child goes to.  And I think people without children, or whose school taxes more than pay for their own kids, should be able to stipulate what other general classes of school are acceptable to them as recipients of their tax money.  So if X dollars' worth of taxpayers specify that all religious schools or particular ones are A-okay with them, use a lottery to issue vouchers to the parents of needy children who apply to go to those kinds of schools on a matching basis.

So if Warren Buffett (sp?) is okay with religious schools, then let some random poor person who wants to use them use *his* taxes to go there.

It leaves government totally neutral towards religion, protects the public interest in an educated voting base and taxpayer base, and allows the taxpayers maximum choice over *how* their money is spent on that end.

Computerization makes all sorts of tabulation of taxpayer intent easier.  I have no problem with having a *general* mental health budget and letting people checkbox the programs they're okay with for that portion of their tax dollars.

Which would let you keep *your* tax dollars from going to truly voluntary screening, but would not let you keep *my* tax dollars from going towards it.

I don't have a problem at all with allowing voters to choose line-item targetting of their own tax dollars if they *choose* to fill out a long extra survey schedule in electronically filing their taxes---letting them opt into this and out of that.

Unfortunately, usually when someone says they want to keep *their* tax dollars from going towards something, it's code that means they want to keep *my* tax dollars from going towards it, too.

That's certainly the case with abortion rights for impoverished women.

In practice, it would work out like the United Way---they budget it where they want, and if you opt your contribution out of a particular charity, they redistribute the contributions of the people who are okay with any of it to make up the difference.

But if you truly just want to opt out *your* tax dollars from it, and not forbid others from opting in *theirs*---then that shouldn't be a problem for you.

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« Reply #91 on: June 23, 2005, 02:07:00 PM »
For conscientious objectors on mental health, I'd have a line item in the mental health budget for self-help books for the local public libraries.  You can't get more voluntary than that, and anybody who opted out of everything else would have the mental health percentage of their tax dollars go there.

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« Reply #92 on: June 23, 2005, 02:56:00 PM »
Talk to me about voluntary funding?

Look, ya'll must at least admit that the "state of the art" of mental health is not exactly up to par w/ hard fact-based science. We're only guessing, when it really comes down to it. There are so many different theories in practice, there is no proven set of best practices. No two shrinks or talk therapists can even agree w/ one another on a dx most of the time, let alone on recomendations.

Therefore, no matter what kinds of self help books you force us all to buy or what kind of dx criteria you force us to pay for (& Etc.), a signific segment of us (us who pay these bills and live w/ the results) will be supporting ideas and practices which we find repugnant, offensive and harmful. This includes YOU, as a tax payer.

Mental health is not even a definable objective. We can't even describe what we're trying to accomplish. How in the world can you even entertain the notion of imposing some vague, undefined mandate on all of us?

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« Reply #93 on: June 23, 2005, 07:33:00 PM »
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Mental health is not even a definable objective. We can't even describe what we're trying to accomplish. How in the world can you even entertain the notion of imposing some vague, undefined mandate on all of us?


Ashcroft apparently went about to impose a vague, undefined mandate, and according to him, actually succeeded in doing so!

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« Reply #94 on: June 23, 2005, 07:41:00 PM »
Jun 23, 05 - 6:03 AM
Message:   http://www.lewrockwell.com/mcelroy/mcelroy81.html

Parents Must Assert Rights Over School Authorities

by Wendy McElroy
by Wendy McElroy

         

"How often does your 6th-grade daughter have oral sex?"

If the question offends you, then talk to the school officials at Shrewsbury, Mass. But don't expect a sympathetic response.

When Mark Fisher protested quizzing his 12-year-old daughter about oral sex (among other topics), the school authorities asserted their right to gather such information without his consent.

The questionnaire is not limited to Massachusetts; it is nationwide. And the 'problem' is not the gathering of information but the denial of parental rights and reasonable concerns.

The Shrewsbury questionnaire is part of The Youth Risk Behavior Surveillance System (YRBSS) that was established in 1990 by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) to monitor youth behaviors that influence health.

The CDC website offers a 22-page version of the YRBS, which consists of 87 questions. Seven questions address sexual behavior. For example, the posted questionnaire asks, "How old were you when you had sexual intercourse for the first time?" And, was a condom used?

Past this point, the facts become confused. For one thing, there is no mention of oral sex on the CDC site. Nevertheless, each school district selected to participate in the YRBS is able to add or subtract questions.

Given that Shrewsbury has refused to release its version of the questionnaire, parents quite reasonably suspect the worst. Without disclosure of the survey to parents or the public, Fisher's claim that students are asked to identify themselves as heterosexual, gay or bisexual stands.

For another thing, the national YRBS claims to report upon student in the 9th through 12th grades. Fisher's daughter is in the 6th grade, where students are typically 11 or 12 years old. However, other reports ? from Planned Parenthood, for example ? tend to confirm that 6th graders are being surveyed. In Shrewsbury students in grades 6, 8, 9 and 11 took part.

Without parental oversight and with school authorities unwilling to disclose questionnaires, no one really knows what information is being gathered.

Or rather, from the posted form, some things are clear. School authorities wish to know if parents have committed an illegal action.

Question 10: "During the past 30 days, how many times did you ride in a car or other vehicle driven by someone who had been drinking alcohol?"

Authorities also wish to know if your child has committed an illegal act.

Question 45: "How old were you when you tried marijuana for the first time?"

The posted form admonishes, "DO NOT write your name on this survey. The answers you give will be kept private." But government information is notoriously non-private and teachers are easily able to identify respondents.

Moreover, confidentiality tends to erode easily when issues of child endangerment and criminal conduct are raised. (Does anyone believe that a child who circles "6 or more times" for Question 14 ? "During the past 30 days, on how many days did you carry a weapon such as a gun, knife, or club on school property?" ? will not have his or her file tagged?)

Nevertheless, the crux of the matter is not whether information on 11-year-olds will be kept private. It is: Does the government have a right to side-step parental consent and collect such information about children of any age without parental permission? (By "such information" I mean highly personal data and/or data that could possibly lead to criminal prosecution.)

That is what Fisher is demanding of the Massachusetts' Department of Education: active parental involvement. At this point, state law requires parents to explicitly exempt their children from programs involving sexuality. Fisher is fighting for a bill that requires parental permission before children are included.

Explicit permission is particularly important in situations where parents seem to be ? in Fisher's words ? "kept in the dark."

School committee President Deborah Peeples reportedly explained that parents are permitted to view the survey but they are not allowed to take a copy home. Why? "It might be misinterpreted or misunderstood or they could use it to direct their children's responses," Peeples said.

In short, parents might discuss the sexual (and other) topics with their children.

Clearly, the school does not think such discussion is appropriate; conversation about the sexual survey is not appropriate between parent and children but should remain between government and child.

What can concerned parents do?

My immediate solution is to remove your child from the public school system and homeschool, if possible. (The long-term solution is to privatize education.)

If you are unable to do so, then you should aggressively demand to see every survey and government form your child is filling out. YRBSS is a nationwide survey, conducted every two years. These and other forms may follow your child for the rest of his or her life.

Do not believe that authorities, under the promise of privacy, will take no note if your child confesses to experimenting with drugs ? Questions 44 to 56. Tell your children to never incriminate themselves.

Do not willingly give your money to schools that deny parental rights. On June 9, Shrewsbury voters overwhelmingly defeated a $1.5 million tax increase that would have boosted finances to school programs. Although school funding measures are almost always defeated for financial reasons, use the occasion of a vote to voice your discontent.

What happens to your children matters. Be nosy about the forms they fill out; demand to review the information officials want; when in doubt, refuse permission; know the content of school programs.

Be a nuisance. Be bossy. Be a genuine pain in the tuckus. In short, be a parent. That's what your child needs.

June 23, 2005

Wendy McElroy [send her mail] is the editor of ifeminists.com and a research fellow for The Independent Institute in Oakland, Calif. She is the author and editor of many books and articles, including the new book, Liberty for Women: Freedom and Feminism in the 21st Century (Ivan R. Dee/Independent Institute, 2002).

 

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« Reply #95 on: June 24, 2005, 10:22:00 PM »
http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=48959

Character Education Partnership: NJCCE First Affiliate Site for CEP Educator Training in Character Education

6/16/2005 1:58:00 PM

To: National and State desks, Education Reporter

Contact: Evelyn Fine of Character Education Partnership, 202-296-7743 ext. 21, or Philip M. Brown of New Jersey Center for Character Education, 732-445-7504

WASHINGTON, June 16 /U.S. Newswire/ -- Character Education Partnership (CEP), a Washington DC-based organization dedicated to developing young people of good character who become responsible and caring citizens, and the New Jersey Center for Character Education at Rutgers University (NJCCE) signed a formal agreement establishing the NJCCE as the first affiliate site for CEP educator training in character education.

The training, based on CEP's Eleven Principles of Effective Character Education Sourcebook,(tm) has been nationally delivered exclusively by CEP and has a strong focus in providing educators with the tools for building a school culture for positive character development. The affiliation with NJCCE at Rutgers will increase significantly the opportunities for high quality professional development for character educators in the state of New Jersey. New Jersey has supported character education for more than ten years. More than 886,000 students currently are enrolled in public schools that have character education programs. NJCCE is part of the Center for Applied Psychology within the Graduate School of Applied and Professional Psychology.

"Our affiliation with NJCCE at Rutgers marks our entry into the arena of state affiliates for the teacher training market. This offering enhances our other products and publications, in-service teacher training, the National Schools of Character award, and the educational and informational offerings at our October Forum," said Bob Sherman, President and CEO of CEP. "It's an important first step in our continuing expansion of these services."

"It is an honor for NJCCE to serve as the first affiliate for CEP. We have always looked to CEP as the standard setter for the character education field," stated Philip M. Brown, Ph.D., director of NJCCE. "We look forward to assisting CEP to broaden its reach and to this opportunity to deepen our common commitment to supporting the implementation of high quality character education programs and services that will impact the lives of educators and young people."

The program will begin in July 2005.

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The Character Education Partnership is a nonprofit, nonpartisan, and nonsectarian coalition of companies, educators and community organizations working to make universal values an integral part of the K-16 curriculum and school culture. CEP is dedicated to developing young people of good character who become responsible and caring citizens.

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« Reply #96 on: June 24, 2005, 10:38:00 PM »
Interesting. Compulsory schooling + rich people decide which schools get vouchers = the power elite controls where and how everyone else's kid gets trained. I like it! :tup:  

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« Reply #97 on: June 24, 2005, 10:46:00 PM »
Editorial from Illinois

Ronald Reagan, our beloved "Gipper", said it best, "The most frightening words in the English language; I'm from the Government and I'm here to help you."

Those who are convinced that they were placed on Earth to properly instruct and guide the remainder of us dummies are at it again. Never mind a "label" that may cripple a youngster for the remainder of his life, the important part is that the kid was screwed up with the best of intentions. Mental Health screening might be much more usefully employed on these people who come up with these brainstorms; it is obvious that they have far too much time on their hands and too little regard for those of us who are paying the bills.

What is needed, and at the earliest opportunity, is a bill to rescind this piece of legislative claptrap. In today's Chicago Sun-Times, Mayor Richard M. Daley tried to "celebrate" the fact that 43.7% of Chicago elementary school students can read at their grade level. There is no doubt in my mind where the mental health screening is most needed and it ain't the kids.

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« Reply #98 on: June 24, 2005, 11:04:00 PM »
http://witchylady6.tripod.com/fightingf ... /id22.html

Given the police state we find ourselves living in, parents should consider sending a copy of the forms at the link above, or something similar, to their child's school to keep in their records.
Really good information re: parental/student rights.

This one is particularly good:
To: Any agent, officer, or representative of the government
From: ( childs name )
If you have found this, or been presented with this, then you are holding me against my will. I wish to be released at once. If you believe you have legal reason for still holding me, then it must be for one of two reasons:
1. You believe I have information relevant to a case and/or investigation and need my assistance. I am happy to comply and will in no way obstruct justice. Simply type up your questions and contact my parent/s at (parents number) and upon review by them and and any attorney they so choose, I will answer any and all that they and their attorney advise me to. Please do not argue about this, or it will delay the investigation, and neither of us wants that.
2. You believe that I have committed a crime. I want to speak with my parent/s and/or the attorney they provide me, and do not wish to answer any questions or make any statement until I do. You may contact them at (parents number).

While doing those things, please see to it that I am given food, drink and bathroom breaks frequently, as I will not ask. Please do not ask that I fill out, sign, initial, check off, or in anyway mark anything for any reason. I have been forbidden to do this by my parent/s until they and/or their attorney, can review any such documents. Finally, please do not interpret my silence as rudeness, guilt, retardation or anything else but what it is - obedience to my parent/s and their attorney

Place your phone numbers and friends also lawyers number here.
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« Reply #99 on: June 25, 2005, 05:59:00 PM »
Oh yeah! Jeb Büsh is affiliated w/ at least one Character charter school in So. Fl. Here's some background on where that comes from:
http://xatiguy.blogspot.com/

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« Reply #100 on: June 25, 2005, 07:07:00 PM »
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On 2005-06-24 20:04:00, Deborah wrote:

"http://witchylady6.tripod.com/fightingforparentalrights/id22.html



Given the police state we find ourselves living in, parents should consider sending a copy of the forms at the link above, or something similar, to their child's school to keep in their records.

Really good information re: parental/student rights.




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« Reply #101 on: June 26, 2005, 05:21:00 PM »
I actually printed out one of those little cards for my daughter to carry a few years ago. I've changed my mind about it since then, though.

The first time she actually ran into a situation where I would want her to whip that out, she was so intimidated and frightened that she didn't even think about it. And I discovered, over time, that she had been taking a very different meaning from our discussions on the topic of abuse of authority than what we intended.

It's a subtle and complex issue for a kid to grasp. We want them to respect legitimate authority and their elders by default. We just don't want them to blindly follow illigitimate dictates or instructions that work against their own best interest. So what to do? They are, in fact, kids; unable as yet to make those judgements on their own w/ degree of consistencey. That's why we don't let them vote, drive or enter into legally binding contracts.

I think the ultimate answer is to keep your kids w/ you as much as practical while they're young. Show them by example how to treat authority figures, how to respectfully question them when appropriate and how to stand up for themselves. Hopefully, by the time they approach adulthood and quit taking all of your advice by default, they'll have some clear idea of their own about how to handle themselves.

So, rather than print a card, I just remind my kids often that, if they're ever flumoxed, intimidated or confused, they should just say "Call my mom, here's the number."


I am an atheist, out and out. It took me a long time to say it. I've been an atheist for years and years, but somehow I felt it was intellectually unrespectable to say that one is an atheist, because it assumed knowledge that one didn't have. Somehow it was better to say one was a humanist or agnostic. I don't have the evidence to prove that God doesn't exist, but I so strongly suspect that he doesn't that I don't want to waste my time.
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« Reply #102 on: June 26, 2005, 07:22:00 PM »
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It's a subtle and complex issue for a kid to grasp.



So, rather than print a card, I just remind my kids often that, if they're ever flumoxed, intimidated or confused, they should just say "Call my mom, here's the number."




Excellent perspective, and simple solution to avoid
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« Reply #103 on: June 27, 2005, 06:25:00 PM »
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On 2005-06-05 12:08:00, Anonymous wrote:

"In the 2005-2006 school year, all parents will receive written notice of new policies from your children?s schools. Many schools will ask you to sign permission slips, allowing school counselors or ?advocates? to have conversations with your children. You will be told how your local schools are now involved in vision and dental screenings, learning disabilities and speech impediment screenings, and other acts of kindness, but watch for the small print or the extra little blurb, which states that your children will also be evaluated for emotional wellness. Watch for wording like ?happiness indicators? or ?family participation.?



The fact is that our president has mandated that every American child, age 3 through 18, is federally ordered to be evaluated for mental health issues and to receive ?enforced? treatment. Welcome to President Bush?s New Freedom Initiative and New Freedom Commission on Mental Health. Welcome to life-long profiling and drug addictions, New Freedom-style.



52 million students and six million adults working in schools, according to this commission, will be tested and should flush out at least 6 million people, or shall we say new customers, who will then be mandated to receive ?treatment.? What treatment does our president?s commission have in mind? The newest drugs in the pharmaceutical pipelines, of course. The commission recommends ?specific medications for specific conditions.?



One of the state-of-the-art treatments, and most expensive, is an implanted capsule ? yes, that?s right, implanted. The capsule delivers medication into a child?s body without the child having to swallow a pill or the need for parental permission for dispensation.



The New Freedom Commission named the Texas Medication Algorithm Project (TMAP) a model treatment plan. Medical algorithms are a flowchart-style treatment indicator. If you have A symptom and B symptom, take C medication. TMAP began with the University of Texas, big pharma, and the mental health and corrections system in Texas. The American Psychiatric Association concurs that TMAP is brilliant.



However, the New Freedom Initiative and Commission is a political-big pharma marriage. Many companies who supported TMAP were also major contributors to Bush?s re-election funds. For example, Eli Lilly manufactures olanzapine - one of the drugs recommended in the New Freedom plan, and furthermore, George Herbert Walker Bush was once a member of Lilly?s board of directors. Our current President Bush appointed Lilly?s chief executive officer, Sidney Taurel, as a member of the Homeland Security Council. Eighty-two percent of Lilly?s $1.6 million in political contributions in 2000 went to Bush and the Republican Party. Do tell?



Texas Algorithm grossed over 4 billion dollars in 2003 and olanzapine is Eli Lilly's top selling drug. A 2003 New York Times article by Gardiner Harris claims that 70 percent of olanzapine sales are paid for by government agencies, such as Medicare and Medicaid. And lo and behold, guess who is now able to bill Medicaid for health services? Public schools, of course, as they are now under the big pharma-political profits/pay-back umbrella once they adopt screening policies. Public schools can now be paid to screen and drug your kids.



Now, if you ever wonder, ever again, if public-private partnerships care about people, then you need a brain transplant. Your children are now the legislated guinea pigs and lab rats for the pharmaceutical companies who bought and paid for our president?s campaign. Favors are now returned to those companies in the form of enforced, juvenile customers, their health, and their future drug addictions.



But wait, there is more. The New Freedom Commission also calls for enforced treatment. That means that parents have no rights to refuse the treatment recommenced by TMAP and other drug dispensing corporate-bureaucratic apparatuses. And as the mental health bureaucracy is also involved in this financial game of insidious cruelty, parents and families are also to be investigated via the result of their children?s screenings in schools. In other words, schools are now the across-the board, or shall I say nation, diagnostic tool for big pharma and child control.



And there?s more. The U.N. Agenda 21 has also called for total intrusion into schools and children lives. No more religion, no more individuality, no more real education, no more real grades, no more real teaching, no more teacher respect for parents, and no more truth from teachers or principals. This sounds very familiar and very political to me. And I?ve said it before, and I will say it again: if you are of a religious ilk and you refuse to allow your children to be abused by our ?educational? system, the stage is being set for you to lose physical custody of your children. I suggest that you read this: Rethinking Orphanages for the 21st Century by Richard McKenzie, ed



Still got your kids in public schools? Shame on you, and may God bless your poor children and forgive you. "


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« Reply #104 on: June 27, 2005, 06:44:00 PM »
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"***Funny how the author of this piece has such a great fear of a potential mistaken diagnosis ruining a person's for their whole life, a haunting dilema that would last a lifetime ... but finds nothing wrong with Chelsea's parents going public with her assessment results.



Uhhh. I don't think they, or Chelsea are concerned about making her 'assessment results' public because they think it is BS.




Hey now that this thread has re-appeared I would like to mention that I never heard back from the reporter who wrote the story. Nor have I seen any articles written about this story.

Here is my hunch. I think Chelsea's parents put her up to answering the questions that they could easily have found out about, via the mailing, but more likely through the Rutherford Institute itself. As I said before it sounded like a fishy fabricated test case.

That is why they where the only one's not to get the notice in the mail, and that is why no one called the hot lined dutifuly manned by her dad.

I would rather see the Runtherford Institute try the case on its merits alone, and not fabricate the agnst of this family and the public exposure of her test results.

Like I said before, if it was real, it could have been ignored, or she could have proceeded to find out if it was a false positive.

It is only an assessment anyway.

Finally, is a correct, or incorrect diagnosis really a life sentence? Would that be a good life or bad life?

I don't regret my mentally ill life, nor should I!!!
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