how to fuck up your life for good

[Anonymous]

On 2005-06-05 19:56:00, Anonymous wrote:

"My husband and I smoke pot. We trip occasionaly. But we stay away from chemicals! We know that if we tried them we would like them too much! We would be one of those people shooting up all day in front of our kids and stealing to get money to buy drugs. "

The weed you smoke (as do I) is full of chemicals, and it is a chemical reaction that gets you high.

You say you "trip".  With what, mushrooms, again another chemical reactions.

Now, lets take this analysis a little further. Opiates, bourn of the popie plant. A plant, get it a plant. Just because it is processed (much like coffee) into a more usable form does not make it any less or more of a chemical.

Cocaine, processed as it is, can still be picked and chewed, and buzz obtained.

I think it is wrong for anyone who does ANY drug (yes, alcohol is a drug, yet another chemical simply made from the fermentation of plant matter), to speak out against other drug of choice.

I have tried a lot of drugs in my time, but none of them have cause erections lasting for more the 8 hours or anal leakage. Those are the chemicals, which are shoved down your throat every time you open an email, turn on the TV, radio, or even open a news paper.

Now even adults have A.D.D (Asinine Dumbass Disorder) and need medication. So, in my mind it is not the chemicals that the government does not want you to take that you should be concerned about. It's the chemicals that they fully support and get behind. So, if you have a problem with other that do their drug of choice, put down your joint, go to the doctor, and get yourself some paxil, or prozac or something approved!

[Antigen]

On 2005-06-05 19:56:00, Anonymous wrote:

 On the other hand of the spectrum Antigen, do you not agree that thses are highly addictive drugs?

Oh, I absolutely do. Well, sort of. I'm a stickler for definitions. Opiates are addictive. Stimulants are reenforcing. Withdrawal from opiates and opioids is a specific set of symptoms, not just a lack of the drug effect. But ppl do these drugs for some reasons. So who am I to say if those reasons are worth the risks and side effects to them?

I just think it's interesting how ppl have responded to the original posts. They were nothing but factual "how to" instructions. No editorializing or promotion at all. Would ppl respond the same way to instructions on how to produce explosives? How about biodiesel? How about deadly poisons?

There's another somewhat interesting vain in this discussion. Most of the dangers we tend to attribute to these particular drugs are not caused by the drugs themselves, but by prohibition policies and attitudes. Ppl share needles because you can't get them w/o a rx (unless you happen to have a needle exchange program near you) Ppl get impure drugs of unknown potency because nobody's tracking the production. Just like bathtub gin during alcohol prohibition.

Then there's the social stigma. If I'm trying to quit smoking, I get ditzy and bitchy. But I can explain that to people "I'm trying to quit smoking, I'm sorry, maybe I should just take a rain check till I'm feeling better." And most ppl will say "Oh, good for you! Ok, then stick with it, good luck!" Just for shits and giggles, try saying "Sorry, I'm trying to quit shooting smack...." and see if you get the same kind of support and understanding.

If you pare down all of the prohibition related problems, you're left w/ a much more negligable set of problems. Still no such thing as a perfect drug that does something you want w/o any down side. But certainly a far better situation than what we've got. There is no drug so dangerous that it can't be made moreso through prohibition.

               The body of
        Benjamin Franklin, printer,
      (Like the cover of an old book,
            Its contents worn out,
    And scripts of it's lettering and gilding)
       Lies Here, food for worms!
     Yet the work itself shall not be lost,
For it will, as he believed, appear once more
                 In a new
         And more beautiful edition,
          Corrected and amended
                By it's Author!

Epitaph for himself.

--Benjamin Franklin 1706-1790

[Anonymous]

Then there's the social stigma. If I'm trying to quit smoking, I get ditzy and bitchy. But I can explain that to people "I'm trying to quit smoking, I'm sorry, maybe I should just take a rain check till I'm feeling better." And most ppl will say "Oh, good for you! Ok, then stick with it, good luck!" Just for shits and giggles, try saying "Sorry, I'm trying to quit shooting smack...." and see if you get the same kind of support and understanding.

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[GregFL]

There is no drug so dangerous that it can't be made moreso through prohibition.
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Absolutely true.

[Anonymous]

Certainly there are tons of chemical reactions in your brain when you smoke pot. HOWEVER, its like ciggaretes. Tobbaco is from the earth. But it is what else they put in it that is of concern. Same with coke. It is cut with bad stuff and so are other drugd. Not so with pot or mushrooms. and there are more efficient ways of smoking that reduce the negative effect of smoking. Vaporozers, ect. And I dont think it is necessarily wrong for someone to use any drug except pot. ITs when it gives them permant helath problams that it is an issue I think. If you can use moderation cool! Yay! BUt if not, then perhaps that drug is not for you! And the people I know who use coke and meth and such, have serious health issues. And it will jsut get worse if they continue on in such a manner. Even approved drugs honestly can be dangerous. But like any controled drug, you have to find the drug that fits you best. Paxil may not work, but aonther might. All our bodies run differently. We all experience life differently. all Im saying is if you are close to death from a drug or have a disease because of it, its probably a good idea to take it easy, know what i mean?

[Anonymous]

Ginger, just read the post and I agree. DARE and other programs have that effect on our mentality as well. But I can say, my husband had the other end of the spectrum. His parents taught him drugs are good and told him to lie to DARE about their meth and pot and coke, ect ect habits to not get in trouble. Now if his parents were responsible nice people I could understand. However, the first time he met his father he stol his bike. And his mom is a crazy fucking cracked out lunatic who drives me and everyone in her war path insane. Meth is BAD for her. Alcohol turns her into the meanes bitch on earth. Pot calms her down. She is NORMAL on pot. And after all the drugs he was exposed to (not to mention being abused my coked out assholes and meth addicts) he diecided meth was not probably a good idea to get incolved with. However, he feels it is a personal choice. But how do you say it is ok for one to do meth or coke or heroin regularly if they injusr their childern, their grandkids, their significant others, ect. If they are harming others, I feel that is wrong. And if they dotn harm others unless a particular substance is in their system, then would it not be fair to say tha that substance is bad for them? I mean it is one thing if one can shoot heroin and live a happy success ful life. It is another when they are neglecting their children, bills, ect to do a drug on a daily basis.I guess it all depends on if one can maintain or not.

[Anonymous]

On 2005-06-05 10:02:00, GregFL wrote:

some people just think shooting drugs is cool.

It is.  I did it today, and it was cool.

[Anonymous]

On 2005-06-05 20:29:00, GregFL wrote:

"I think in my final anylsis, anyone has the right to come on here and condon anything, including condoning Miller Newton, DFAF, whatever.

I shot smack with Miller Newton at a DFAF fundraiser and it was fucking great.

[linchpin]

On 2005-06-05 10:02:00, GregFL wrote:

"yes Ginger, and the fact that some people just think shooting drugs is cool. Others think self debasing hyper-focusing on their teenage heatbreaks and such is somehow theraputic.





To me its not. None of it. If all of this prgraming we are (and were) subjected to is some type of social vehicle, even one that is just zooming along without a major plan (somehow just tying itself together like an ant colony, the individual parts not understanding the bigger scheme), it is counterproductive to buy into it.



For shits sake, it is not cool to freebase cocaine or shoot drugs. It is pathetic. It is self-destructive. How many happy Junkies, meth heads and cocaine addicts do you know?  How many of them have productive lives?



Nor is it constructive to hyper focus your attention on what happened to you in your teenage years in the program.



IT FUCKING HAPPENED. If this describes anyone here, do your best to Pull yourself out of the sewer of this negativity and live. Life is way   too short for crying over your past and wasting your life on addictive substances.



And if you are addicted or compulsively using injectables or smoking addictive drugs,glorifing this is really not cool. What is cool is being able to overcome this crap and go on to have a good life...Children, grandkids, a loving partner, your own business, a nice house, seeing the world, retiring early without money worries, bailing out of the system and living a simple existence somewhere.. whatever your dreams are.  Obtaining them or working towards them...



That is really cool.





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Yet you live on fornits...Get off your (white) horse sir

[Anonymous]

isnt it you thats on horse?


 :lol:

[Dr. Miller Newton]

Isn't that what Str8 accomplished... They gave us a standard, and anything below is 'pothetic'?

 :rofl:  :lol:

[Dr. Miller Newton]

I think in my final anylsis, anyone has the right to come on here and condon anything, including condoning Miller Newton, DFAF, whatever.

http://fornits.com/SIBS

[Dr. Miller Newton]

yes, alcohol is a drug,

 :nworthy:  :wave: