how to fuck up your life for good

[Anonymous]

First you obsess over drugs and this website. Then you troll incessently and never leave the house, afraid you may miss something posted here. Fight with people here and call them names and get your feelings hurt when they return the favor. Next, you develop "problems" relating to straight that you didn't have before finding this website. Finally, blame all your failures on the 1 or 2 years you spent in straight.


Once you accomplish this, read and follow instructions in "how to shoot smack" and "how to freebase" threads.

[Anonymous]

:smokin:

[Anonymous]

On 2005-06-04 10:34:00, Anonymous wrote:

"First you obsess over drugs and this website. Then you troll incessently and never leave the house, afraid you may miss something posted here. Fight with people here and call them names and get your feelings hurt when they return the favor. Next, you develop "problems" relating to straight that you didn't have before finding this website. Finally, blame all your failures on the 1 or 2 years you spent in straight.





Once you accomplish this, read and follow instructions in "how to shoot smack" and "how to freebase" threads.



"

 ROFL!!  Ain't it the truth!   Let's now wait for the "fuck you" posts, and "your brainwashed" replies.   lol

[Anonymous]

I don't think it's anything like that.  I think its more likely people just blowing off steam.  I think we've all earned this righteous indignation.  Sometimes I'm in the mood for their shit - sometimes I'm not.  Is it really that big of a deal?

[Anonymous]

On 2005-06-04 10:34:00, Anonymous wrote:

"First you obsess over drugs and this website. Then you troll incessently and never leave the house, afraid you may miss something posted here. Fight with people here and call them names and get your feelings hurt when they return the favor. Next, you develop "problems" relating to straight that you didn't have before finding this website. Finally, blame all your failures on the 1 or 2 years you spent in straight.





Once you accomplish this, read and follow instructions in "how to shoot smack" and "how to freebase" threads.



"

Sounds like you are talking from experience..

PS: Fuck you, youre brainwashed..  :wink:

[Antigen]

No, it's a valid point. I think some ppl get too focused on the Program asif it were a singular, isolated issue. It's not. Not by a long shot. The Program is growing and thriving in our society w/ hearty support and tacit approval of some very powerful policy and opinion makers.

Why is that? I want to know. I have a theory. Lately, I've been looking a little more closely at the history and nature of our compulsory public schooling system. As my kids have grown and spent some time in it, I've watched it turn more and more program-like. Initially, I thought I was seeing the influence of Straight affiliated organizations like DARE and Peer Counciling. But I think it's the other way around.

Right from the beginning, public schooling was designed to be the Program light. Kids land up in the Program who resist the assault in some way and who's parents are true believers. I'm currently of the mind that the Program is a natural and necessary adjunct to a much broader social control program.



 

Web pages are like babies -- creation involves a level of enthusiasm that does not necessarily carry over into maintenance.
--Joe Chew

[GregFL]

yes Ginger, and the fact that some people just think shooting drugs is cool. Others think self debasing hyper-focusing on their teenage heatbreaks and such is somehow theraputic.


To me its not. None of it. If all of this prgraming we are (and were) subjected to is some type of social vehicle, even one that is just zooming along without a major plan (somehow just tying itself together like an ant colony, the individual parts not understanding the bigger scheme), it is counterproductive to buy into it.

For shits sake, it is not cool to freebase cocaine or shoot drugs. It is pathetic. It is self-destructive. How many happy Junkies, meth heads and cocaine addicts do you know?  How many of them have productive lives?

Nor is it constructive to hyper focus your attention on what happened to you in your teenage years in the program.

IT FUCKING HAPPENED. If this describes anyone here, do your best to Pull yourself out of the sewer of this negativity and live. Life is way   too short for crying over your past and wasting your life on addictive substances.

And if you are addicted or compulsively using injectables or smoking addictive drugs,glorifing this is really not cool. What is cool is being able to overcome this crap and go on to have a good life...Children, grandkids, a loving partner, your own business, a nice house, seeing the world, retiring early without money worries, bailing out of the system and living a simple existence somewhere.. whatever your dreams are.  Obtaining them or working towards them...

That is really cool.

[Anonymous]

On 2005-06-05 10:02:00, GregFL wrote:

"And if you are addicted or compulsively using injectables or smoking addictive drugs,glorifing this is really not cool. What is cool is being able to overcome this crap and go on to have a good life...Children, grandkids, a loving partner, your own business, a nice house, seeing the world, retiring early without money worries, bailing out of the system and living a simple existence somewhere.. whatever your dreams are.  Obtaining them or working towards them...



That is really cool."

I hear all your points, and they make sense. But in all seriousness, how can one define what is 'good or bad' with any certainty? It sounds like you are listing what your idea of an ideal existence sounds like. All we are is a simple existence, if one person decides they want to follow one path, and another a different path, who is to say which road will lead where? We don't even know where we are going, we are simply existing. How can there be a right and wrong, in simple existence?

Sure, our society has defined values on what is normal and not, but these change. We all live in a psychological and societal house of cards, it could fall apart at any time. The great human experiment of civilization to some, yet meaningless to everything else in the universe but ourselves. We are nothing but something to ourselves, and in the 'eyes' of all other in the universe- there is no right or wrong way to fulfill ones own brief existence.

[Antigen]

Greg, my highly esteemed good friend! You've fallen for a commonly accepted parlor trick; a bit of slight of mind.

The Consumers Union Report on Licit and Illicit Drugs
by Edward M. Brecher and the Editors of Consumer Reports Magazine, 1972





Chapter 5. Some eminent narcotics addicts
The United States Supreme Court's 1962 characterization of the drug addict as "one of the walking dead" can no doubt be illustrated many times over among addicts living under twentieth-century conditions of high opiate prices, vigorous law enforcement, repeated imprisonment, social ignominy, and periodic unavailability of opiates. The court's major error was to attribute the effects it so vividly described to the drugs themselves rather than to the narcotics laws and to the social conditions under which addicts live today. To illustrate, let us consider the effects of opiate addiction on a few distinguished addicts who throughout their lives had adequate access to continuing supplies.

Perhaps the most remarkable case was that of Dr. William Stewart Halsted (1852-1922), one of the greatest of American surgeons. Halsted, the scion of a distinguished New York family, and captain of the Yale football team, entered the practice of medicine in New York in the 1870s and soon became one of the promising young surgeons of the city. Interested in research as well as in performing operations, he was among the first to experiment with cocaine-a stimulant drug similar to our modern amphetamines (see Part V). With a small group of associates, Halsted discovered that cocaine injected near a nerve produces local anesthesia in the area served by that nerve. This was the first local anesthetic, and its discovery was a major contribution to surgery.

Unfortunately, Halsted had also injected cocaine into himself numerous times. "Cocaine hunger fastened its dreadful hold on him," Sir Wilder Penfield, another famed surgeon, later noted. "He tried to carry on. But a confused and unworthy period of medical practice ensued. Finally he vanished from the world he had known. Months later he returned to New York but, somehow, the brilliant and gay extrovert seemed brilliant and gay no longer." 1

What had happened to Halsted during the period of his disappearance? A part of the secret was revealed in 1930, eight years after his death. Then Halsted's closest friend, Dr. William Henry Welch, one of the four distinguished founders of the Johns Hopkins Medical School, stated that he (Welch) had hired a schooner and, with three trusted sailors, had slowly sailed with Halsted to the Windward Islands and back in order to keep Halsted away from cocaine.

The effort was not successful. Halsted relapsed and next went to Butler Hospital in Providence, where he spent several months. Again he relapsed, and again he went to Butler Hospital. Halsted's biographers reported that thereafter he was cured. Through magnificent strength of will, after an epochal struggle, he had cast off his cocaine addiction and gone on to fame and fortune as one of the four distinguished founders of the Hopkins. Or so the story went.

In 1969, however, on the occasion of the eightieth anniversary of the opening of the Johns Hopkins Hospital, a "small black book closed with a lock and key of silver" 2 was opened for the first time. This book contained the "secret history" of the Hopkins written by another of its four eminent founders, Sir William Osler. Sir William revealed that Halsted had cured his cocaine habit by turning to morphine.

http://druglibrary.org/schaffer/Library ... u/cu5.html

(the whole publication is a pretty good read)

Obviously, morphism didn't destroy Dr. Halstead. Evidently, no one but his suppliers and close friends ever even suspected. Did it help him? Probably not. Was it a mistake to take that monkey on his back? Probably so. But is it an inexorable path to death and distruction? Evidently not. And, btw, what a fucked up thing to say to someone who has such an addiction!

I seriously doubt if this anon author actually expects anyone to follow his instruction. I don't think that was the point at all. I think he/she/they just wanted to see if the old programing would kick in and we'd all join in on a come-down rap.

Adept troll indeed!  :nworthy:

Resentment is like taking poison and waiting for the other person to die
-- Malachy McCourt

[GregFL]

Oh I know that everyone that uses drugs is not a fuck up. In fact, once in a great while I have been known to indulge myself.

But Meth heads, smoking crack and Injecting heroin?

In my opinion, these are not paths to any kind of happy life. I have seen first hand people in my family become thiefs for crack, and have had friends die from injectibles. Glorifying it is distastefull to me. And I stand by my question , "How many happy Junkies, meth heads and cocaine addicts do you know?

And for the first response to my post, go back and read where I said "whatever YOUR dreams are"


Yes, I am aware the post was probably just made to elicit responses. But still I don't have to like it or agree with the prevailing attitude of the thread.  

This is just my opinion. Others may vary.

[GregFL]

Read your link. I don't believe everyone who injects drugs will die from it and it is the enexorable path to destruction. Many people eventually quit on their own. Many people don't get addicted. Still others seem to live out a fairly normal life.

A large percentage of people shooting morphine based drugs fuck up their life. It is not something I would encourage anyone to undertake and I fail to see anything cool about it.

I just watched my step dad kill himself with cigarrettes, and my mom is in a wheelchair on oxygen still smoking.  I don't see this as any better,and watching her take a breathing treatment just to get a dose of her drug Nicotene is no fun.  I think glorifying this would be just as irresponsible.

To each their own.  You guys that get a rise from this stuff, have at it. I am an advocate of free speech and drug legalization, but that doesn't mean I agree with using in a potentially destructive way or encouraging others to do so.

[Anonymous]

BLA BLA BLA FUCKING BLA BLA BLA

Seems some people are hyperfocused on other peoples shit...  

And obsessed with how St8 was great.....    ther are two extremes her dip shit...    

I think those of us who talk about all this shit from our pasts do because it is what we feel we need to do.  
And how do you know....  without a shadow of a dount, that it isn't...  You don't, and can't.....  
 
I feel that it is good to discuss, however, and whenever....   too much glorifying can be bad, but not everyone is ready at the same time to change....  We are all evolving, and changing....   Some are comfy where they are, and some will change eventually, and others may change and bounce back again....    Mind your own fucking business...   Instead of analyzing why we shouldn't, analyze why you care....   and isn't there something else you should be worried about....
 

When I came here, to finding this site and others, 2 years ago, I was stable, and except for a little pot, I was fine, but all this shit dredged up huge memories.  I have lost 7 family members, And yes, I lost it, and definitly slid a lot....   And I still Glorify some shit...  AND ALWAYS FUCKING WILL...      That is something that I need to worry about, and not any one elses business.   This is a free world.  I don't need hands covering my mouth anymore....   I will feel the way I want, and at that very fucking moment, I will speak it.  

BULLSHITTING IS NOT WHAT SENT ME SPIRALLING, it was not knowing how to handle everything that I was forced to hold in for YEARS!   All this did was process it on ALL levels, the good the bad....   There was a lot of good, and that is what some people keep being attracted back to...   Why people relapse, whatever...  I don't even know that I ever care if I am completely drug free...   Why should I be...    Some things are excessive, but others...   Who wrote the book on that anyhow...


HOWEVER, I am now coming back up out of the doom and gloom, and it has been a process that has evolved with people who prefer to discuss the stuff from  'way back when'.... and while being FUCKED in the head in Str8, and occasionally glorify, and occassionally WTF ever we want...   Too bad you don't feel free enough.   Some days I smoke a big fat one and sit down to spend the entire day reading others posts, and it isn't a wasted day...  It is a day spent validating myself, and realizing I do not think alone....   And I am not sick, or twisted.   Str8 fed me that.  No matter where I am in lifes journey, I am OK, it is OK....   I am going somewhere in life...   and whether or not I do get allll the way, I am still a valid, beautiful,m unique individual, with much more worth than what is seen on this board.  I do not deserve to be told any different...   If I die from spinning too hard tomorrow, I will STILL not be pothetic.  Not even then...   I don't think I have ever referred to anyone, especially somone in their deepest addiction as pothetic.   I think I understand ALL people a little better than that, and don't find myself and better or worse than anyone....   You know what is pothetic, someone who does....

You know, I think it has helped me immensely to have met the people I have here.  They are all very different, and not all of them use.....  I understand myself much more.  I have made a few friends, and am grateful for even the people I don't like...   I have been on life's great trip, and many of you, willing or not, became a part of it.... ALl of it has led me here, and here isn't so bad...   Get over yourselves thinking it is...


Did you all have bottoms?  Did you hit bottom?  Or were you just told you did?   Everyone needs to, and some need to more than once.... And some may spoend their entire lives sitting in it...  I prefer to know the beauty in everone, and not worry about the other shit....   Did you ever hear the saying "You catch more flies with honey".....      

Maybe some people ought to pull their heads out of their asses, like I did.....    

Confront life, past and present,  however you want, even if glorifying is included,  and every day if that is what you want.   And you should not be told not to, or told you are pothetic for doing so...

I'll tell you what, when I shot up meth, I wouldn't have been here posting!!!!!!   I think it awesome that they are...  It is sort of a rope to shore....   And your dumb ass attitudes are trying to cut it....  
I remember processing all this shit just the same when high, only it was alllll in my head....   we all know, so it isnt neccessary for you to tell anyone how to live.  WE ALL KNOW.   Isn't that what Str8 accomplished...  They gave us a standard, and anything below is     'pothetic'?    
I say fuck whoever had a problem with anyone else who was ever a part of str8...  no matter their current status....  We all went through hell, and like POWs, or battered wives, or rape victims.....    It will be a life long process to gt over.   Not everyone spent str8 days having fun you know?

Maybe it is a good thing they are posting at all.   Maybe something said one day will click and change them...  Or maybe you will make them never feel worthy of your presence...

I agree it isn't 'cool' shooting, or smoking coke, speed, H...., or well, maybe it is at some points in our lives, I mean, at one time it was for you right?  DIP SHITS..... but, when you are doing it ...it sure seems like it is anyhow....

I guess it is a good thing that you don't have to read anything you don't want to....   That way you don't have to be bothered by it...

Sounds like some people are a bit jealous too...   And oh, don't reply with that last statement as an argument / debate....   It isn't the point...   As a matter a fact, don't reply at all, cause I for damn sure prolly wont even read it.....  LOL

See ya, off to get the greens...    

Kelly

[GregFL]

Straight was great?

You really have me fucked up Kelly.

Get your head out your ass?

Why in the world are you speaking in straight cult lingo 20 years after the fact?

This isn't any of my business?

This forum is my business as long as I make it so. When anyone posts here, they post their words for all to read and criticize. You want personal privacy and to post on a forum? What a silly concept.

If I don't agree with something here, I will say so. IF someone disagrees with my position, that is great...that is what a forum is all about.

Kelly, if you came here to find a bunch of people to just agree with everything you say, then you don't understand the concept of a forum.

Sorry to hear about your problems. They sound kind of like what was being talked about in the opening round of this thread...eh?

Ginger, you notice the opposite, people immediately coming down on the other side of the opinion? I just said I think it is counterproductive to wallow in your past (not talk about or work thru..wallow) and not cool to glorify using drugs in an addictive fashion. Next thing, BLAM personal attacks in the "get yer head outta your ass" vein.

Is there a politically correct strand running thru this community? If so, fantastic... I am always on the wrong side of that donkey shit.

[Anonymous]

I like it how this forum was invented for people to talk about whatever they want and somehow you always see people writing about how they dont want people talking about whatever they want! Who cares if youre bored with the subject? Its a somewhat free country! So write what you want but get over yourself! Your opinions are no more valid or interesting then the rest Kelly. I sat and read your long ass boring post. We all have the right to write about the programs how they suck and what not. This forum topic is about a program (to a certian extent) correct? So talking about it is perfectly fine. geez you need to relax! And Greg I agree with you. I personally do not beleive injecting horrible addictive chemicals into your body is a good idea. I too have seen meth and coke kill and internally harm those I care for. And Ive seen people get hep C and other diseases from injecting drugs with infected people. People who use meth are not bad. They are on the contrary very sweet and funny and great. But sometimes it gets the better of them. And some stop. Some dont. It is a battle for them. Ive seen the tract marks on a good friedn of mines arms form shooting heroin every day. Ive sat with her wating for HIV tests to come back neg or pos. The anxiety and the fear are not fun. Ive seen a person have to have several enimas because they are so consipated from shooting meth and coke all day. Those people are the reason I speak out against the use of these drugs. They are great people, but those drugs just harm them. My husband and I smoke pot. We trip occasionaly. But we stay away from chemicals! We know that if we tried them we would like them too much! We would be one of those people shooting up all day in front of our kids and stealing to get money to buy drugs. On the other hand of the spectrum Antigen, do you not agree that thses are highly addictive drugs? that there is a possibilty of long term health issues/ death? A person can die from one time of using inhalants. An inexperienced user can die from too much coke, ect. Ever heard of anyone dying from a pot overdose? Some drugs are less dangerous and less addictive than others. For those who have seen meth and coke destroy loved ones, we have the right to speak of their dangers. It would be foolish for one to say injecting drugs is 100% safe and not one user is having a hard life or is sick form it and not one user will die from it! Many people out there are using it excessivy, beating their kids while high, loosing money and husbands, wives ect. turning into criminals to support a habit that could eventually kill them. And there are those who do not have these problems and can maintain. good for them! But in the meantime, lets not encourage the use of a dangerous drug simply because you dont have a problem with it! I woudl not go on here telling people that smoking ciggretes is fine! It is dangerous and can kill you! Certainly it is a choice. But I would want those people to know the downside of it too, so they can make wise decisions about their health.

[GregFL]

I think in my final anylsis, anyone has the right to come on here and condon anything, including condoning Miller Newton, DFAF, whatever.

I on the other hand maintain my right of expressing my opinion, and ad hominems are of little use.

Let me apologize for any time I have used them in frustration against anyone here.

I just buried my step dad to a cigarrette addiction, and will soon bury my mother. I am a tad sensitive on the subject of tolerance of watching people kill themselves without at least showing your displeasure a little. Not harrassing them, just letting them know how you feel.


addiction and compulsion are a different topic anon. Some people can do this stuff and never get addicted, and some can never stop.  What is addiction anyway? It is only part of the equation that makes people compulse over these substances.