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« Reply #1710 on: December 10, 2007, 03:26:03 PM »


A three year database, 125 surveys sent to former "students", 41 bother to return it.  What happened to those 81 former patients?  Dead, in jail, both?



A three year database, 85 students were mailed surveys and only 32 bothered to reply. Parents aren't supposed to question the database - that shows they're not "aligned" with the program.

Pretty flimsy Outcome Study for PV to base their "success" on.  Doesn't stand up to scrutiny.
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« Reply #1711 on: December 10, 2007, 03:30:10 PM »
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A three year database, 125 surveys sent to former "students", 41 bother to return it.  What happened to those 84(my badness - I learned Math at PV!) former patients?  Dead, in jail, both?



A three year database, 85 students were mailed surveys and only 32 bothered to reply. Parents aren't supposed to question the database - that shows they're not "aligned" with the program.

Pretty flimsy Outcome Study for PV to base their "success" on.  Doesn't stand up to scrutiny.
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« Reply #1712 on: December 10, 2007, 03:40:50 PM »
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I went thru this about a year ago with someone else and we found that for "mail out" surveys, 20 – 35% response rate was about average…. Some college campuses were able to achieve 80% response rates but they were using the colleges’ intranet and asking lead off questions like.. “Do you have sex with your room mateâ€
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« Reply #1713 on: December 10, 2007, 04:45:37 PM »
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The schools are well aware of the feedback and the fact that not every child is helped.  I think if it got to the point where parents were not happy with their individual results and their particular model was not effective enough to help enough kids to keep the beds full then they would seek and independent agency to conduct a study to measure the effectiveness and determine which areas need to be improved upon.



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Yep, because its all about the parents being happy with their conformist little robot, not about what's actually best for the kids.  What's Anne's Frank Zappa quote about parents wanting Tame Child Creatures???

The parents are the direct customers, so yes they do need to be kept happy.  



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The parents are kept happy because the little buggers have been scared into "behaving" and succumbing to groupthink and the welfare of the kids is --at best-- an afterthought.


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As far as the robot thing or Anne Franks quote you sort of lost me.



Anne Bonney's sig line has a Frank Zappa quote in it.

The more boring a child is, the more the parents, when showing off the child, receive adulation for being good parents-- because they have a tame child-creature in their house. ~~ Frank Zappa
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« Reply #1714 on: December 10, 2007, 04:51:21 PM »
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A three year database, 125 surveys sent to former "students", 41 bother to return it. What happened to those 81 former patients? Dead, in jail, both?

I went thru this about a year ago with someone else and we found that (We?? :question:  ??)  bunchabullshit bunchabullshit bunchabullshit bunchabullshit bunchabullshit bunchabullshit



"We" didn't "find" anything.  "You" pulled that out of your ass.

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« Reply #1715 on: December 10, 2007, 05:02:05 PM »
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The more boring a child is, the more the parents, when showing off the child, receive adulation for being good parents-- because they have a tame child-creature in their house. ~~ Frank Zappa

Ha,Ha, that’s funny,  I guess if we are comparing our kids to Frank or his daughter “Moon Zappaâ€
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« Reply #1716 on: December 10, 2007, 05:04:24 PM »
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A three year database, 125 surveys sent to former "students", 41 bother to return it. What happened to those 81 former patients? Dead, in jail, both?

I went thru this about a year ago with someone else and we found that (We?? :question:  ??)  bunchabullshit bunchabullshit bunchabullshit bunchabullshit bunchabullshit bunchabullshit



"We" didn't "find" anything.  "You" pulled that out of your ass.

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Your right, I just did a search and it came up empty..... I lost about 300 of my posts, that may account for it.  I will see if I can find my info....



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« Reply #1717 on: December 10, 2007, 05:12:46 PM »
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« Reply #1718 on: December 10, 2007, 05:14:33 PM »
Here is one I had on my hard drive (posted above), but it isn’t as reader friendly as the one I presented a year or so ago.  As you will see E-mail response rates are running 20-25%, postcard 25-30%,  mail response rates  (28-33%)?

It is in the same general ball park… the one I sited earlier included the college campus study and a reference to a school which they modeled against, but as you can see a 30% response rate is expected with some advanced mailings and follow-up.

http://http://poq.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/full/68/1/94/F1

http://http://poq.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/full/68/1/94



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« Reply #1719 on: December 10, 2007, 05:40:40 PM »
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A three year database, 125 surveys sent to former "students", 41 bother to return it. What happened to those 81 former patients? Dead, in jail, both?


I went thru this about a year ago with someone else and we found that for "mail out" surveys, 20 – 35% response rate was about average…. Some college campuses were able to achieve 80% response rates but they were using the colleges’ intranet and asking lead off questions like.. “Do you have sex with your room mateâ€
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\"Allah does not love the public utterance of hurtful speech, unless it be by one to whom injustice has been done; and Allah is Hearing, Knowing\" - The Qur\'an

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\"I\'m there to handle kids that are psychotic, suicidal, homicidal, or have commited felonies. Oh yeah, I am also there to take them down when they are rowdy so the nurse can give them the booty juice.\"

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« Reply #1720 on: December 10, 2007, 05:51:14 PM »
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I went thru this about a year ago with someone else and we found that for "mail out" surveys, 20 – 35% response rate was about average…. Some college campuses were able to achieve 80% response rates but they were using the colleges’ intranet and asking lead off questions like.. “Do you have sex with your room mateâ€
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« Reply #1721 on: December 10, 2007, 06:20:39 PM »
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A three year database, 125 surveys sent to former "students", 41 bother to return it. What happened to those 81 former patients? Dead, in jail, both?


I went thru this about a year ago with someone else and we found that for "mail out" surveys, 20 – 35% response rate was about average…. Some college campuses were able to achieve 80% response rates but they were using the colleges’ intranet and asking lead off questions like.. “Do you have sex with your room mateâ€
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\"Allah does not love the public utterance of hurtful speech, unless it be by one to whom injustice has been done; and Allah is Hearing, Knowing\" - The Qur\'an

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A PV counselor\'s description of his job:

\"I\'m there to handle kids that are psychotic, suicidal, homicidal, or have commited felonies. Oh yeah, I am also there to take them down when they are rowdy so the nurse can give them the booty juice.\"

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« Reply #1722 on: December 10, 2007, 09:13:57 PM »
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A three year database, 125 surveys sent to former "students", 41 bother to return it. What happened to those 81 former patients? Dead, in jail, both?


I went thru this about a year ago with someone else and we found that for "mail out" surveys, 20 – 35% response rate was about average…. Some college campuses were able to achieve 80% response rates but they were using the colleges’ intranet and asking lead off questions like.. “Do you have sex with your room mateâ€
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« Reply #1723 on: December 10, 2007, 09:25:54 PM »
now that is raw fear...

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« Reply #1724 on: December 12, 2007, 12:47:43 PM »
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