Peninsula Village

[Anonymous]

what about the constant physical severe stress reactions PV causes?

PV is no joke, the victims of PV never feel "comfortable" there
and probably won't feel comfortable for a good while after
i'm still not especially comfortable
 I think cutting is often somewhat compulsive too
it's a little like nail bitting, stress someone out and thats it for the manicure
compulsive behaviors and stress are very connected

also PV really does sort of celebrate these behaviors rather then promote some other behavior.  They lock these kids in a tiny room torture them
and do nothing but focus on the behaviors in a weird almost glorifying cult like sort of way.  
it would make any one compulsively self harming,
"tell us about buying the food you used to binge Jessica"
sit on your bed for hours and list every time you harmed yourself, why and with what, while we torture you, and then tell us about it in group again, and then list it again, while we torture you and tell us about it in group again.  
They do this to the girls for months and months, while abusing them.  
They don't allow the teens to go outside the entire time.  
It would make Buddha compulsive.

it is the most ignorant, abusive and irrational excuse for therapy for self harming behaviors possible.

you guys know I only type this much because I should be doing my homework?  My classes end next week and I should be writing a paper.

[Anonymous]

as for nail biting in PV, everyone in there turns into a nail biter overnight
which just proves my point
PV  trains you to talk about any behavior in the most serious, pv promoting, shocking, jenny jones sort of way.  For any one just out of pv this is important to remember, if you talk about something the way they make you do in group, you basically just promote PV and you scare people.  It's great with parents, creepy stupid abusive old farts that most PV parents are. PV does this purposely i am sure.

Many people have the overall capacity for much of anything good of a turnip, an abusive turnip that sometimes hits on you and is extremely self centered.  Mean too, this is important to know because you have to becareful of the mean turnip brained people.  Thick skin and realizing most people shouldn't matter much too you is a big thing.
many people are prejudice, abusive, not especially bright and not your friends sums this up.

[Che Gookin]

cutting increases as a result of the stressful environment.  the who does not know what he's talking about at all.

Seems we partially agree.. the cutting will actually increase in a stressful environment or during a transitional period.  Once the child begins to deal with some of their underlying issues and feels safe within their environment the cutting typically subsides.
As I had mentioned earlier the cutting can actually increase during the initial period of their stay at a TBS due to the stress of the transition.  But once the child settles in the behavior starts to abate.



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No dumbass they just get better at hiding their behaviors from the prying eyes of their captors.

[TheWho]

cutting increases as a result of the stressful environment.  the who does not know what he's talking about at all.

Seems we partially agree.. the cutting will actually increase in a stressful environment or during a transitional period.  Once the child begins to deal with some of their underlying issues and feels safe within their environment the cutting typically subsides.
As I had mentioned earlier the cutting can actually increase during the initial period of their stay at a TBS due to the stress of the transition.  But once the child settles in the behavior starts to abate.



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No dumbass they just get better at hiding their behaviors from the prying eyes of their captors.

A little testy there… you are right in some respects.  The children that do not benefit from their stay may continue cutting and get even better at concealing their impulses.  For the others who are fortunate enough to start dealing with their issues the cutting will subside as they progress.


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[ZenAgent]

A little testy there… you are right in some respects.  The children that do not benefit from their stay may continue cutting and get even better at concealing their impulses.  For the others who are fortunate enough to start dealing with their issues the cutting will subside as they progress.


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Would you cite the source of this information, Dr. Who?  I'm interested in reading any studies on cutting, post-program.

[TheWho]

A little testy there… you are right in some respects.  The children that do not benefit from their stay may continue cutting and get even better at concealing their impulses.  For the others who are fortunate enough to start dealing with their issues the cutting will subside as they progress.


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Would you cite the source of this information, Dr. Who?  I'm interested in reading any studies on cutting, post-program.

Post program studies?  You and me both… I wish they had more available; it would definitely assist the parents on which schools and models are the most effective for their particular children’s problem/situation and which ones to avoid.  Until then we need to rely on our own research..talking to the child’s pediatrician, counselor at school, therapists etc. and taking their collective recommendation…. Once a path is chosen it is important to talk to other parents who have had children complete the program.  This will gain you a sense of what to expect….

As far as cutting goes…this can be as benign as a kid just trying to fit in and be cool like Angelina Jolie (nuts huh? But true) or it can be a sign of some deeper trouble below the surface that needs to be addressed.

Measurement of success is not very complex because it is so evident and right at the surface.



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[Anonymous]

A little testy there… you are right in some respects.  The children that do not benefit from their stay may continue cutting and get even better at concealing their impulses.  For the others who are fortunate enough to start dealing with their issues the cutting will subside as they progress.


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Would you cite the source of this information, Dr. Who?  I'm interested in reading any studies on cutting, post-program.

Post program studies?  You and me both… I wish they had more available; it would definitely assist the parents on which schools and models are the most effective for their particular children’s problem/situation and which ones to avoid.  Until then we need to rely on our own research..talking to the child’s pediatrician, counselor at school, therapists etc. and taking their collective recommendation…. Once a path is chosen it is important to talk to other parents who have had children complete the program.  This will gain you a sense of what to expect….

As far as cutting goes…this can be as benign as a kid just trying to fit in and be cool like Angelina Jolie (nuts huh? But true) or it can be a sign of some deeper trouble below the surface that needs to be addressed.

Measurement of success is not very complex because it is so evident and right at the surface.



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These places have been around for decades yet no clinical research on them exists.  Most of them are privately funded and won't allow longitudinal, randomized testing to be done because they know they'd get their asses handed to them.

[Anonymous]

PV does not allow people to get comfortable again
I think you are thinking of a boarding school or something
PV is no boarding school,
PV times every move you make, watches every tiny thing you do including going to the bathroom and showering
they abuse you non stop the entire time you are there,
read some of the accounts of what goes on in PV
PV is just human nature gone wrong and partying,
there is no program, there is just arbitrary abuse, with large goons many of whom it has come out are gay on the girls side
all the patients try to "work their program" because abuse is not fun
it makes not difference, no one in there is really even sure what the program is, its just a lot of hard labor, denouncement sessions, restraints and consequences for taking more then four minutes in the shower and a minute in the bathroom.  They lock you in a small room for six months, allow you to go out side not at all and torture you
95 % of the girls never get beyond the first or second level,
they have level system, staff likes to give levels and then take them away for arbitrary reasons, because it messes with kids heads.  
when I was in we saw a real therapist once every six weeks in group
I had nothing but group therapy
the levels are again really arbitrary, sometimes when someone’s insurance runs out or they are getting near 18 they will give out higher levels,
i think it is in the hopes the 18 year olds will sign themselves back in
It's senseless non stop torture, there is no program

[TheWho]

Well, I think before we jump to criticizing we should ask ourselves why a school would want to conduct or fund a clinical study.  What would it gain them?  What would motivate them to do it?



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[Anonymous]

Well, I think before we jump to criticizing we should ask ourselves why a school would want to conduct or fund a clinical study.  What would it gain them?  What would motivate them to do it?



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I dunno, maybe to find out if what they're doing has any negative or positive impact on the kids they are entrusted with?

Yep, you're right.  Why would they want to muck up their fantasy world with such messy things like research or facts or evidence?

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[Troll Control]

Well, I think before we jump to criticizing we should ask ourselves why a school would want to conduct or fund a clinical study.  What would it gain them?  What would motivate them to do it?



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believe me, if they had proof this garbage they peddle actually worked, you'd see it plastered all over every medium they use to advertise.  since any clinical trials to date are dispositive of their claims, they avoid them like the plague.  they know they can't win on facts and science, so they rely on propaganda and feelings of panic.  it's a pretty simple concept.

[Anonymous]

From what i can see, a lot of program survivors have trouble after wards
How many suicides have been reported out of PV?
exPV staff reported two, PV reported another one, although they attributed it to a "relapse",  the kid who tried to rob a bank in NC and shot a cop, he might as well be dead, PV is pretty much responsible for the cops death too, I am sure because I was in PV.
Kids without drug problems come out and turn into serious drug users
a girl i was in with was in because she was being bullied at school and had slept with two guys, she wasn't a cutter or anything, jumped out of her parents car on a return trip to PV
she broke her leg, her hip, her arm and was one big scab.
Abigail ended up with an leachy old man, probably so she had somewhere to live besides with the family that put her in PV, most people in PV would tell you they would do almost anything to get out, the TORTURE is that bad  
Torture, abuse and desperation make people nuts
obviously PV's "treatment" isn't very successful,
all most all survivors of PV say PV almost killed them.
not PV was very bad or made me sad,
they all say PV almost killed me
PV is evil
PV does a really good job at killing people put it that way.
Places like PV are evil,
we torture teens in this country
Who your a turnip, were you in PV?
 then don't tell survivors of the stupid farcical hell hole what it was like.    
its an abusive pointless nightmare
it does nothing but promote the self harming behaviors it pretends to "treat".  You can't torture people and expect it not to make them neurotic.  PV is evil.

[Troll Control]

Well, I think before we jump to criticizing we should ask ourselves why a school would want to conduct or fund a clinical study.  What would it gain them?  What would motivate them to do it?



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believe me, if they had proof this garbage they peddle actually worked, you'd see it plastered all over every medium they use to advertise.  since any clinical trials to date are dispositive of their claims, they avoid them like the plague.  they know they can't win on facts and science, so they rely on propaganda and feelings of panic.  it's a pretty simple concept.

captcha - "again denounce" - how apropo...

[ZenAgent]

Once a path is chosen it is important to talk to other parents who have had children complete the program.  This will gain you a sense of what to expect….

Would you encourage parents to ask about children who don't complete the program?  Both sides of the coin and all....

Measurement of success is not very complex because it is so evident and right at the surface.


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Is it really?  I need to see some evidence to support your learned opinion.

[Anonymous]

Didn't we find statistics that said only 2000 people under the age of 18 killed themselves in the entire country in 2004?
 I can't remember if it was 2004 but I know it was 2000.
  We also found statistics, from the Department of Health these were good statistics I'll dig them up again they were on page 100 or so on this thread, that said only 5000 people 24 and under killed themselves in the entire country of 300,000,000.  
 Therefore, PV has a really high suicide rate in survivors.
 I also know that very few of the teens that came in PV were actually suicidal.  There were some self harming tendencies often do to trauma or abuse.  If only 2000 teens under the age of 18 kill themselves in a year, it isn't that common a problem really.  Therefore, the high suicide rate out of PV is a clear indicator that their program does not work, that it instead promotes the problems it pretends to treat.