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« on: March 22, 2005, 09:08:00 AM »
thestraights.com/people/medical-doctors/medical-research.htm
 
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... forum=7&10

Does anyone remember any research projects firsthand?
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« Reply #1 on: March 22, 2005, 03:29:00 PM »
A simple questionnaire hardly insitutes "Medical research"
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« Reply #2 on: March 22, 2005, 03:40:00 PM »
yeah it does. see these links.  

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On 2005-03-16 10:18:00, formerly known as wrote:

"Human Subjects Research



http://grants.nih.gov/grants/policy/hs/index.htm



http://www.hhs.gov/ohrp/[ This Message was edited by: formerly known as on 2005-03-16 10:19 ]"
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« Reply #3 on: March 22, 2005, 09:16:00 PM »
you know, i'm not any kind of an expert, but there are regulations regarding human subjects research. it steams me that Schwartz and the other Nazi-Straight doctors used us for their research. i don't see how any child prisoner of Straight could give free assent to participating. it is possible there are loopholes that made the research "legal" or whatever, but i think it is valuable to consider this subject.


f Federal Regulations]
[Title 45, Volume 1, Parts 1 to 199]
[Revised as of October 1, 1999]
From the U.S. Government Printing Office via GPO Access
[CITE: 45CFR46.409]

[Page 125]
 
                        TITLE 45--PUBLIC WELFARE
 
                           AND HUMAN SERVICES
 
PART 46--PROTECTION OF HUMAN SUBJECTS--Table of Contents
 
 Subpart D--Additional Protections for Children Involved as Subjects in
                                Research
 
Sec. 46.409  Wards.

    (a) Children who are wards of the state or any other agency,
institution, or entity can be included in research approved under
Sec. 46.406 or Sec. 46.407 only if such research is:
    (1) Related to their status as wards; or
    (2) Conducted in schools, camps, hospitals, institutions, or similar
settings in which the majority of children involved as subjects are not
wards.
    (b) If the research is approved under paragraph (a) of this section,
the IRB shall require appointment of an advocate for each child who is a
ward, in addition to any other individual acting on behalf of the child
as guardian or in loco parentis. One individual may serve as advocate
for more than one child. The advocate shall be an individual who has the
background and experience to act in, and agrees to act in, the best
interests of the child for the duration of the child's participation in
the research and who is not associated in any way (except in the role as
advocate or member of the IRB) with the research, the investigator(s),
or the guardian organization.
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« Reply #4 on: March 23, 2005, 09:20:00 AM »
Yes, it was all a conspiracy.  And YOU uncovered it!!  Kudos to you, you dope-curious Beck junky!!  Kiss the jackass for me.
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« Reply #5 on: March 23, 2005, 09:20:00 AM »
Oh, I'm sure we were experiments. Experiments in making lots of money with minimal cash flow in. There's documentation somewhere on Wes's site showing how the buildings (warehouses) were frequently late with rent or delinquent! While our parents shelled out thousands, and collected millions in donations for Straight, they weren't even technically keeping a roof over our heads!  :flame:
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« Reply #6 on: March 23, 2005, 09:32:00 AM »
We tried, lord knows we tried to get you druggies straight. It wasn't always easy..we had to cut corners sometimes. Sure, your parents shelled out a lot, but we needed that money to spread Straight's love nationwide and to finance our lawyers when the going got rough. Damn investigators always nosing around made it difficult to run a business..er..I mean a drug rehab. Whatever. Straight saved lives and helped families reunite.
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« Reply #7 on: March 23, 2005, 09:49:00 AM »
huh. i don't think i have uncovered a conspiracy, just some archived information that is not that hard to find using the internet and some search programs. also like i said i am not an expert on the human subjects research thing but i have heard it is strict and it applies to anything other than observing people in a public place. if you want to check this out and get back to this thread, that would be great.

if he used Straight clients whatever information he got is quite likely bogus, it makes him look like a particularly shitty researcher to use the statements of children in a coerced situation like Straight, because, as we all know, we lied in there about our drug use, etc.  i like the idea of discrediting him to his professional peers, although i don't really know how to do that yet.



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« Reply #8 on: March 23, 2005, 09:59:00 AM »
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if he used Straight clients whatever information he got is quite likely bogus, it makes him look like a particularly shitty researcher to use the statements of children in a coerced situation like Straight, because, as we all know, we lied in there about our drug use, etc. i like the idea of discrediting him to his professional peers, although i don't really know how to do that yet.

Schwartz was a good Doctor, one of the best! So you damned druggies chose to lie to him...that's supposed to be his fault? Come on! He was just trying to do his job! You don't know how to discredit him because you have nothing on him! He HAD to search the kids' rectal cavities for DRUGS. Drugs that could have put the whole group at RISK had they been able to get into the building.
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« Reply #9 on: March 23, 2005, 10:20:00 AM »
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"btw, i am jes itchin fer a fist fight with you, you stinky troll. meet me out front, or else everyone will know what a chicken you are. :lol: just kidding. sort of. i'd win, and you know it. that's why you never show your face. grrrr. come on, i bet you're cute! okay, we'll make it a wrestling match so i don't mess up your pretty face."


I'm down for wrestling with the Piet-ster!! Who you calling "stinky", I smell well!!  Also, I don't mean to knock your findings, but this wasn't NIMH sort of research.  I think we were stuck helplessly in rehab and someone used the opportunity to advance their own academic agenda.  Was it wrong?  Yes.  Were we "research subjects", nah.  I don't buy the lab rat conspiracy.
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« Reply #10 on: March 23, 2005, 11:02:00 AM »
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"I don't buy the lab rat conspiracy."


a sensitive subject for you, i know.
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« Reply #11 on: March 23, 2005, 11:28:00 AM »
So Straight Inc was the equivalent of MK-Ultra but without the LSD...?
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« Reply #13 on: March 23, 2005, 12:27:00 PM »
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"I don't buy the lab rat conspiracy."




a sensitive subject for you, i know."


Piet, If you are referring to http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... um=7#81654
then you are a much smarter cookie than I ever gave you credit for!!
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« Reply #14 on: March 23, 2005, 12:29:00 PM »
EEEEEeeek, a mouse!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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