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« Reply #45 on: November 22, 2004, 11:55:00 AM »
Missed the point, which is:
Programs that rely on ?scare tactics? to prevent children and adolescents from engaging in violent behavior are not only ineffective, but may actually make the problem worse...

Anything else a program might do is inconsequential if such methods are employed. Get it?

The National Mental Health Assoc has similar opinion:

http://www.nmha.org/children/justjuv/bootcamp.cfm
Experts agree that a confrontational approach is not appropriate. Most correctional and military experts agree that a confrontational model, employing tactics of intimidation and humiliation, is counterproductive for most youth in the juvenile justice system. The use of this kind of model has led to disturbing incidents of abuse. For youth of color (who represent the vast majority of the juveniles sentenced to boot camps)-as well as for youth with emotional, behavioral, or learning problems-degrading tactics may be particularly inappropriate and potentially damaging. The bullying style and aggressive interactions that characterize the boot camp environment fail to model the pro-social behavior and development of empathy that these youth really need to learn.

Youth who are involved with the juvenile justice system require an individualized approach that takes their strengths and needs into account. Programs and policies should be family-centered, including the family in all decision making about a child, as well as culturally and developmentally appropriate. Research has shown that small, community-based programs are more effective and less costly than correctional institutions, for the majority of children who come into contact with the juvenile justice system. Rather than removing children from their families and communities, which only increases their difficulties and sense of marginalization, most youth can be managed in their communities while they receive a full range of rehabilitative services, including mental health and substance abuse treatment.
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« Reply #46 on: November 22, 2004, 12:15:00 PM »
That applies to the juvenile justice system.  They have a long way to go.
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« Reply #47 on: November 22, 2004, 12:19:00 PM »
Only in your limited and programmed perspective. It most definitely applies to white middle class kids who are incarcerted in private facilites.
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« Reply #48 on: November 22, 2004, 02:47:00 PM »
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On 2004-11-22 08:07:00, Anonymous wrote:

WWASPS - includes a long term approach, building social competency skills and HUGE family involvement! Great news!


Are you kidding? How can you characterize zero to limited, monitored family contact as "HUGE family involvement"??? In the words of the good Dr., you must be straight up outa your mind!

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« Reply #49 on: November 22, 2004, 03:47:00 PM »
What do you mean my zero or limited contact? Once a week contact with the therapist and family rep, unlimited letter writing, family support groups, BBS interaction and of course, the personal growth seminars,the teen/parent workshops and family after care.

If you're talking about in person contact and unlimited phone calls at the early part of it, you're right, that is limited.  The unlimited letter writing (not censored BTW) is to rebuild communication, first letters, then phone calls, then visits. It works for anyone that isn't a control freak.

What is being called "breaking them down" is not a negative.  It's confronting the behavior that got them there in the first place and learning behaviors and choices that they feel good about without using drugs or anger or manipulation.
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« Reply #50 on: November 22, 2004, 04:09:00 PM »
This is a very biased article that fails to look into the history of WWASPS or SCL, instead it just shows the progress of one student and his family. More of a promotional tool for WWASPS than anything else.

The reporter wrote: ?She and Randy were impressed by the ?40 referrals? from ecstatic parents?. Yet the reporter fails to mention that these referrals are FOR PROFIT. Ive met ecstatic parents in Tupperware parties too.

Teens naturally mature, and WWASPS takes credit for that. What they don?t take credit for are the bruises and emotional scares. WWASPS is SICK!
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« Reply #51 on: November 22, 2004, 04:40:00 PM »
One of my many comments to the editor of the article has to do with just what you said about the bipolar diagnosis. You said it well, as you know it too well. Did you write to Time. If not, I hope you will on that point alone! [ This Message was edited by: hurleygurley on 2004-11-22 14:10 ]
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« Reply #52 on: November 22, 2004, 07:48:00 PM »
Anon said:
..."What do you mean my zero or limited contact? Once a week contact with the therapist and family rep..."
---which in our WWASPS case meant an uneducated untrained "guard", who you could *try* to connect by phone each Tuesday afternoon, and who told the parents for more than the first 2 months that '...she is doing well but having a little trouble with the rules', while failing to mention that the child was spending all day/every day in a white beach chair, feet flat on the floor, facing the blank wall of a 3x5 white room, no school, no exercise, no human interaction at all---
 
"...unlimited letter writing"
 ---as required by WWASPS every Monday afternoon, but only one-third of all letters home were sent, [only 1 of every 3 weekly assignments made it home] and no one knows how many tries by the child until an "acceptable" letter was drafted---

"...family support groups, BBS interaction and of course, the personal growth seminars..."
---which consist of a lot of whining and guilt trips, desperate attempts at self-validation for the failure of the parent to *parent* his own child. Heavy emphasis on how we just have to let go of our guilt and realize that the kid is totally at fault, and once he realizes that lying and manipulation will gain nothing but consequences [punishment, banishment, and isolation] will he begin to toe the line and "earn" the right to return to our loving family.

"...the teen/parent workshops and family after care."
---which occur well into the Program, are formatted not as a family get-together but rather as a *workshop* where the child instantly understands that The Program has taken on a new face that only looks like Mom and Dad, and only when the child has learned the ultimate manipulation of saying whatever it takes - fake it till you make it.  Family aftercare consists of monthly meetings with those few supporters so devout that they continue the bizarre relationship with other failure parents, infrequently bringing their children into the mix...which does not have anything to do with "FAMILY" aftercare.

"...If you're talking about in person contact and unlimited phone calls at the early part of it, you're right, that is limited."
---try WWASPS' incredible parent manipulation and lying that witholds direct contact OF ANY SORT WITH ANY FAMILY, not at the earliest part, but for 10 f****** months, almost one whole year, for a 14yo kid!

".. .The unlimited letter writing (not censored BTW)..."
--- :wstupid:  You simply cannot be stupid enough to believe this!!!!  Emails, the quintessential censorable medium, for God's sake!  Has your child ever talked to you about little things he said in his letters, "...but I told you about being sick/eating crap/OP", and you insist that he never wrote that?  Or is he still in WWASPS and you haven't ever really talked to him without a club hanging over his head?

"...What is being called "breaking them down" is not a negative."
---Have you read ANY of the quoted material in this thread about how negatives DON'T help???  These "problem" kids need double-fold the love, attention, and guidance to get them through tough times.

"...is to rebuild communication, first letters, then phone calls, then visits. It works for anyone that isn't a control freak."
---spoken by a World-Class control freak.
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« Reply #53 on: November 26, 2004, 12:01:00 PM »
Does anyone have a complete list of shutdown WWASP programs at hand. Otherwise I'll search around a little. Just wanted to add that to MY letter to the editor..
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« Reply #54 on: November 26, 2004, 12:10:00 PM »
Hurley-- there's a list of shut-down WWASP facilities on the ISAC site, on the WWASP information page.
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« Reply #55 on: November 27, 2004, 11:16:00 AM »
...perhaps you can get some info here?  I found this on GOOGLE when I entered tranquility bay in the search engine?

  
  
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