WInston Churchill on "Sobriety"

[Antigen]

Please don't take it the wrong way We all got sucked into the Twilight Zone for awhile. No one makes a concious decision to quit thinking for themselves. We just concede one point at a time, sometimes, and never notice that we've quit making our own decisions.


Remember that, during all that time, we were busy beating down newcomers (or passively complicit) and surveiling and reporting on parents as well.


When I make the Nazi comparison, I do it with the understanding that the German people are as good, decent and kind as anyone.

-If there's a worse idea going than locking kids up for victimless crimes, it's probably locking them in close proximity to some tyrannical altruist bent on helping them even if it kills them.
http://trebach.org/conference.html'>Saving our Children from Drug Treatment Abuse

[FaceKhan]

Other examples of Mind Control Have any of you ever seen the movie called The Wave or read the book? It is about a highschool teacher who decides to run a class experiment to show how Naziism took hold in Germany. His experiment ends up being too successful, his new ideology takes over the entire school, until the few students who are not members are being persecuted.


When you replace a person's pride in their individuality with pride in being part of the group, you have them.

Slavish discipline makes a slavish temper... If severity carry'd to the
highest pitch does prevail, and works a cure upon the present unruly
distemper, it often brings in the room of it a worse and more dangerous
disease, by breaking the mind; and then, in the place of a disorderly young
fellow, you have a low spirited moap'd creature, who, however with his
unnatural sobriety he may please silly people, who commend tame unactive
children, because they make no noise, nor give them any trouble; yet at
last, will probably prove as uncomfortable a thing to his friends, as he
will be all his life an useless thing to himself and others... Beating them,
and all other sorts of slavish and corporal punishments, are not the
discipline fit to be used in the education of those we would have wise,
good, and ingenuous men...
John Locke, 1692

[Antigen]

Re: Other examples of Mind Control I've seen reviews of it. Here's a site on it http://www.geocities.com/Broadway/3145/wave.html'>The Wave


Now... Want to see something really scary?

http://www.waveamerica.com/'>WAVE America Working Against Violence Everywhere

http://fornits.com/sounds/welcome.m3u'>Sound Track

-If there's a worse idea going than locking kids up for victimless crimes, it's probably locking them in close proximity to some tyrannical altruist bent on helping them even if it kills them.
http://trebach.org/conference.html'>Saving our Children from Drug Treatment Abuse

[FaceKhan]

Re: WAVE america Yeah a big security company (pennington or something like that) came up with that bright idea. They did not realize the obvious references to the film, until after they got tackled by the press.  

Slavish discipline makes a slavish temper... If severity carry'd to the
highest pitch does prevail, and works a cure upon the present unruly
distemper, it often brings in the room of it a worse and more dangerous
disease, by breaking the mind; and then, in the place of a disorderly young
fellow, you have a low spirited moap'd creature, who, however with his
unnatural sobriety he may please silly people, who commend tame unactive
children, because they make no noise, nor give them any trouble; yet at
last, will probably prove as uncomfortable a thing to his friends, as he
will be all his life an useless thing to himself and others... Beating them,
and all other sorts of slavish and corporal punishments, are not the
discipline fit to be used in the education of those we would have wise,
good, and ingenuous men...
John Locke, 1692

[FaceKhan]

Ahh, Finally I find the proof that struggling teens is evilwww.strugglingteens.com/a...sit02.html


In 1993 and 1998 (printed in 99), Lon Woodbury, reviewed the program run by Steve Gage and Karol Lee, giving it much praise. Including things like "Sitting in their living room after dinner, the sense of safety at Royal Haven is almost tangible. "


A year later Gage was arrested, tried, and plead guilty to 121 counts of theft, fraud, rape, sexual molestation, statutory rape, and a bunch of other felonies. He was given 45 years in prison, and will be eligible for parole in 36 years. So much for the trustworthieness of Struggling Teens program review system.


In other news: I think my friend is definitely ok, and that whatever changes he was supposed to have undergone at his wildnernes program are wearing off as he gets used to being home again. The program is a scam and I hope that one day he will see that but, he seems less and less different than he was everytime I see him. These wildnerness programs may change people while they are out in the wildnerness but when they get back home and realize their parents are still the same neurotic lunatics and alcoholics that they were when they left, their student's  "I really love my mom." rhetoric begins to fade away. My only real concerns about the program I have right now, is the untrained/unlicensed staff, the foney therapy, and the extended stay program which seems to say Behavior modification boarding school all over it.  

Slavish discipline makes a slavish temper... If severity carry'd to the
highest pitch does prevail, and works a cure upon the present unruly
distemper, it often brings in the room of it a worse and more dangerous
disease, by breaking the mind; and then, in the place of a disorderly young
fellow, you have a low spirited moap'd creature, who, however with his
unnatural sobriety he may please silly people, who commend tame unactive
children, because they make no noise, nor give them any trouble; yet at
last, will probably prove as uncomfortable a thing to his friends, as he
will be all his life an useless thing to himself and others... Beating them,
and all other sorts of slavish and corporal punishments, are not the
discipline fit to be used in the education of those we would have wise,
good, and ingenuous men...
John Locke, 1692

[Antigen]

It's survivable I'm glad your friend is ok. Now I've got a couple of trained, credentialed and, btw, deputised altruists trying to help my daughter to better living through coercion. God help her if they succeed.  

-If there's a worse idea going than locking kids up for victimless crimes, it's probably locking them in close proximity to some tyrannical altruist bent on helping them even if it kills them.
http://trebach.org/conference.html'>Saving our Children from Drug Treatment Abuse

[THEA]

duped parents As some of you know, this has been an ongoing issue.  The hardest part of the Straight experience was knowing it was at the hands of my own parents.  I have expressed before I would take better precautions with my cat, much less a human being.. yet Straight was a dumping ground for parents that wanted someone to "fix" their children.  How do we get past it?  I don't know.  I never really did get a true apology.  Just a "we did not know it was that bad, or the chrch reccommended it, the school counseler referred us" etc, etc.  How could you not see the horrors?  I had physical marks.... I begged to be taken out.  And even though i have forgiven there are days it is so hard to forget.


thea

[jeff belflower]

Re: duped parents Remember the friday night open meetings with the parents standing up and talking with their kid. Love ya, and start crying and all that crap. Love ya, love ya, i feel like pukin. We stand firm behind the program. Yea right, if you told them the attrocities you would be started over, as a newcomer an oldcomer would be there at all times to listen to the fuckin conversation. The parents had raps that told them to be strong. This was the biggest form of brainwashing in the world. Remember after you sat down from relating, the group would say LOVE YA, I hated that shit. If you didn't conform you would be beat up and sat on and given peanut butter diet. LOVE YA, this was a sick form of entertainment for the sicko Dr. Newton. Love ya Dr. Newton. We were not given the opportunity nor priveledge of letting the parents know the truth, thus, a true cult. oh, better sit up and flap my arms, I'm getting written up by a 5th phaser. Maybe I'll be blasted after open meeting. Oh no, Help me. Love ya, have a seat and fuck you.

This was the jist of my four freakin years in hell.

[Scott W]

WInston Churchill on "Sobriety" Churchill is probably one of the greatest alcoholics to grace the Earth in the 20th century.  Following is an anncedote that was shared with my US Govenrment class at the Annadale campus of the Northern Va Comm. College I was attneding while in Straight Inc.


One evenig Mr Churchill was accused of being drunk by an unknown woman.  He replied, "Yes, ma'am I am.  And you are ugly.  But I will be sober in the morning"

[sullyceltic]

Re: WInston Churchill on "Sobriety" wow. now that i like. i'm going to have to

remember that one. there are a few old

girlfriends that i'd love to use that one on!

(just kidding)


sullyceltic@yahoo.com



(can the mets do anything with runners on this

season? - we think not!... LOL)

[groovy1634]

churchhill i see >http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/glasses.gif' alt=''>

....i can get rid of the hangover aat least