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Offline Whooter

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Re: My son at Aspen Ranch
« Reply #225 on: September 23, 2009, 09:52:17 AM »
If they are a licensed therapist then they need to adhere to HIPPA requirements.  If they are not licensed then they do not.  Its pretty cut and dried.
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Re: My son at Aspen Ranch
« Reply #226 on: September 23, 2009, 10:15:33 AM »
So finally thewho (aka nigel) is forced to admit AEG uses unlicesed therapists.  No need to get histrionic.  Thewho's credibility is completely destroyed by AEG's confirmation of what we've been saying here for years with whooter consistently and adamantly denying it (lying to parents).  Nuff said.
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Re: My son at Aspen Ranch
« Reply #227 on: September 23, 2009, 11:15:21 AM »
Ok, you caught me.  You guys are brilliant.  I am either The Who's "sockpuppet" or I am actually "The Who."  I'm also an "asshole"----way to figure that out "guest."  

No one from Aspen Ranch has lied to me about what they represent.  Whatever issues you all have with other posters "lying" to you, take it up with them.  I am only reporting what I know.  I would think you would all be happy to have a current parent (oops there I go again, pretending I am not "the who" or a "sockpuppet" or an "asshole"), letting you know what is happening at the Aspen Ranch.  I can't speak to what has happened in the past, only about what is happening to my son.  As you can see from my former posts, I am being as honest as possible in letting you know what is going on with my son.  I will continue to do so.  

And to those that warned me not to "feed the trolls"---sorry, I guess I just did.
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Re: My son at Aspen Ranch
« Reply #228 on: September 23, 2009, 11:37:34 AM »
Whatever Nige.  What about it, who?  Your beloved Aspen has admitted it has no therapeutic value.  A human parent would be furious to learn that, especially after having a child die after going through the program.  John D. Reuben, your son Michael did not get the treatment he needed because you didn't care enough to vet the program you sent him to.  Your failure to adequately meet his treatment needs by simply shipping him off to the first available program should weigh heavily on you.  A critical opportunity to get Mikey help was botched and he might still be alive if not for your incompetent parenting.  How can you still recommend Aspen, you inhuman bastard?
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Re: My son at Aspen Ranch
« Reply #229 on: September 23, 2009, 08:34:04 PM »
Has anyone noticed that Guest appears constantly for half the posts and that the time between posts is measured in 4 to 10 minute spans?  Is this one person spamming, pretending to be multiple posters giving positive stories about Aspen?

One thing I will always point out to parents is the depth of the incest in these programs.  Specifically how staff from one school migrate to another as soon as the last one gets shut down.  And the qualifications of these staff are highly dubious.

To give a couple of examples, I went to a CEDU school in the 80's.  When I arrived there was a handyman from town who helped the students chop wood.  Within a few months he was a therapist.  No schooling, no training.  Running therapy programs for troubled teens.  20+ students in a room and he's qualified to handle their problems and give therapy?  After leaving the school he became an "escort", transporting teens to these programs.  He had no training and qualifications for that job either.  Later he raped a co-worker, who was also a former staff member at the CEDU school, who was also working in the "escort" business with no background or qualifications to do so.  Now this former handyman runs his own wilderness program.  

After I had been at the school for about six months the school hired a "chef".  This guy had worked in a 2 star restaurant in a small town.  Within months he was a therapist as well.  Again, no training, no background, no experience.  He worked for CEDU.  He then went to work for an Aspen school.  He now runs his own school.  

So do these totally unqualified people do this for the love of kids and a desire to really help them for very low pay?  Or do they see the money to be made after a few years as a low level staffer when they get rapidly promoted up the food chain or can secure funding to begin their own programs?

The original poster said he hired an escort to take his child to the Aspen school?  Care to enlighten us on the costs of this service?  

I recommend the poster check out the CEDU Documentary either on YouTube or at LiamScheff.com.  The director of these schools ran Monarch (An Aspen school) and now runs yet another teen treatment facility.  Another former director had a son, who back then was probably all of 18, but now runs his own Aspen school as well.  And no less than six other former CEDU staff, none of whom had any qualifications to counsel or provide therapy to teens, also migrated to Aspen schools.  Parents need to understand that this industry is incestuous in the extreme.  

Because so many of these staff migrated over from the CEDU/RMA program, it is important for parents who have sent their kids to an Aspen program, founded by former CEDU staff members, to watch the CEDU Documentary to get some understanding of just how bizarre and abusive the background of these programs have been, during time periods in which the same staff working for Aspen today, worked for CEDU back then.  They are the same people.  Thus their backgrounds in this industry can be traced from where they began to where they are today.  If the founders of Aspen are related to CEDU, you can be assured the current program at Aspen is built upon the same foundations.  Abuse, lack of oversight, cult-like settings, remote locations, highly restrictive especially with communications, unable to meet the needs of individual children as advertised.  (Meaning any child with actual emotional of developmental issues.) And of course, a long list of untrained staff who claim "life experience" as their sole source of qualifications.
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Re: My son at Aspen Ranch
« Reply #230 on: September 23, 2009, 09:12:23 PM »
We are all descendents of the cave men but we have since invented the wheel.... alert!!!  Aspen is not CEDU.  Sorry, I know it would help your argument but it is 2009.  Lets talk about what is happening today.
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Re: My son at Aspen Ranch
« Reply #231 on: September 23, 2009, 09:16:27 PM »
Ah, sorry dude, it's called "Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it."  CEDU staff became Aspen staff, helped found the school itself.  Thus CEDU and Aspen are forever linked.  Can't get around it.
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Re: My son at Aspen Ranch
« Reply #232 on: September 23, 2009, 09:27:10 PM »
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Ah, sorry dude, it's called "Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it."  CEDU staff became Aspen staff, helped found the school itself.  Thus CEDU and Aspen are forever linked.  Can't get around it.

Exactly so put the gun down, read a book.... lol.  We are not still shooting Germans, Japanese or British... Learning from the past is what is meant and lets not repeat it.  They didnt mean to keep grinding the axe against people in the past.  We should all be cautious but lets not pre judge people because of where they are from.

See what I mean?
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Re: My son at Aspen Ranch
« Reply #233 on: September 23, 2009, 09:41:54 PM »
Well, since you want to bring up the World War II references to make your point, how about "Never forget?"  They still teach history in schools because important stuff can be gleamed from learning it so you see the pit before you fall in to it.  

If you have anything useful to contribute here, we'd love to hear it, because we haven't heard it yet and you have endless posts.  Just a little substance goes a long way.  I am guessing you are somewhere between 15 and 17 based on the level of your conversation skills.  You argue like a teenager, grasping at vague and often unrelated sources to build your straw-man positions.  Did you recently leave your Aspen Garden of Eden, all fixed like a stray dog after being thrown in to a kennel?
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Re: My son at Aspen Ranch
« Reply #234 on: September 23, 2009, 09:44:50 PM »
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Ah, sorry dude, it's called "Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it."  CEDU staff became Aspen staff, helped found the school itself.  Thus CEDU and Aspen are forever linked.  Can't get around it.

Exactly so put the gun down, read a book.... lol.  We are not still shooting Germans, Japanese or British... Learning from the past is what is meant and lets not repeat it.  They didnt mean to keep grinding the axe against people in the past.  We should all be cautious but lets not pre judge people because of where they are from.

See what I mean?
No dumbass nobody "sees what you mean, because you mean nothing...well nothing other that to push programming and fucking weak, obvious lies. You are a joke. A sad stupid joke.
RMA your guess is off. It's a troll,but not some kid...It argues like an idiot troll.
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Re: My son at Aspen Ranch
« Reply #235 on: September 23, 2009, 09:51:25 PM »
I would say teen troll, and definitely riding the short bus.  His language skills are teenage level as are his arguments, such as they are.  As you said, nobody knows what he means because most of what he says makes little sense to begin with.  He is real quick to demand evidence from everyone, when this is clearly not a site dedicated to providing evidence.  But he can't see that.  Not capable of that.  This is a site for survivors and to educate those who might drop in.  If we are discussing how a particular program was abusive, and he loved it, that's all he'd need to say and then leave.  Clearly we are not here to argue with him about his love affair with the programs.  And he clearly needs a program that pounds sense in to him, and since I have nothing better to do tonight, I felt like being charitable.
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Re: My son at Aspen Ranch
« Reply #236 on: September 23, 2009, 09:57:04 PM »
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Ah, sorry dude, it's called "Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it."  CEDU staff became Aspen staff, helped found the school itself.  Thus CEDU and Aspen are forever linked.  Can't get around it.

Exactly so put the gun down, read a book.... lol.  We are not still shooting Germans, Japanese or British... Learning from the past is what is meant and lets not repeat it.  They didnt mean to keep grinding the axe against people in the past.  We should all be cautious but lets not pre judge people because of where they are from.

See what I mean?
No dumbass nobody "sees what you mean, because you mean nothing...well nothing other that to push programming and fucking weak, obvious lies. You are a joke. A sad stupid joke.
RMA your guess is off. It's a troll,but not some kid...It argues like an idiot troll.

I will take that as you understand my point.
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Re: My son at Aspen Ranch
« Reply #237 on: September 23, 2009, 10:22:09 PM »
Again, proper word usage.  You needed to use the word Understood, not Understand.  I can only help you so much.  You have to be willing to make the effort to improve.  Nobody will take you seriously with such a poor set of communications skills.  And I know at your age, you are desperate for people to take you seriously.  All of your posts scream this.  And I am here to help you.  But you need to work with me.
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Re: My son at Aspen Ranch - escort cost
« Reply #238 on: September 24, 2009, 12:03:43 AM »
Nigel, RMA Survivor brought up an interesting question I too would be curious in having answered:
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The original poster said he hired an escort to take his child to the Aspen school? Care to enlighten us on the costs of this service?
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Liam Scheff's CEDU doc
« Reply #239 on: September 24, 2009, 12:05:38 AM »
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I recommend the poster check out the CEDU Documentary either on YouTube or at LiamScheff.com. The director of these schools ran Monarch (An Aspen school) and now runs yet another teen treatment facility. Another former director had a son, who back then was probably all of 18, but now runs his own Aspen school as well. And no less than six other former CEDU staff, none of whom had any qualifications to counsel or provide therapy to teens, also migrated to Aspen schools. Parents need to understand that this industry is incestuous in the extreme.

Because so many of these staff migrated over from the CEDU/RMA program, it is important for parents who have sent their kids to an Aspen program, founded by former CEDU staff members, to watch the CEDU Documentary to get some understanding of just how bizarre and abusive the background of these programs have been, during time periods in which the same staff working for Aspen today, worked for CEDU back then. They are the same people. Thus their backgrounds in this industry can be traced from where they began to where they are today. If the founders of Aspen are related to CEDU, you can be assured the current program at Aspen is built upon the same foundations. Abuse, lack of oversight, cult-like settings, remote locations, highly restrictive especially with communications, unable to meet the needs of individual children as advertised. (Meaning any child with actual emotional of developmental issues.) And of course, a long list of untrained staff who claim "life experience" as their sole source of qualifications.
Also, definitely watch some of these YouTube clips, Nigel; it's a very good suggestion. Seeing and hearing someone describe some of this material gives it a whole different nuance that just doesn't always come through in print.

Links for the clips are about three screens worth down THIS page (it's a very long page).
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