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I'm against any that use coercion in any way, shape or form (not to mention other red flags like no due process, LGAT type techniques etc. etc., but that's first and foremost b/c of the following....)Others have said it before and it needs to be repeated. Therapy requires trust, you can't have trust w/ coercion, therefore 'coercive therapy' is an oxymoron and can't exist.
Quote from: "Anne Bonney"I'm against any that use coercion in any way, shape or form (not to mention other red flags like no due process, LGAT type techniques etc. etc., but that's first and foremost b/c of the following....)Others have said it before and it needs to be repeated. Therapy requires trust, you can't have trust w/ coercion, therefore 'coercive therapy' is an oxymoron and can't exist.Then, according to you, all depends on the kid's willingness to be helped. If the kid's willing, there's no coercion, regardless of the methods employed. Isn't your criterion overly subjective?
Quote from: "Guest"Quote from: "Anne Bonney"I'm against any that use coercion in any way, shape or form (not to mention other red flags like no due process, LGAT type techniques etc. etc., but that's first and foremost b/c of the following....)Others have said it before and it needs to be repeated. Therapy requires trust, you can't have trust w/ coercion, therefore 'coercive therapy' is an oxymoron and can't exist.Then, according to you, all depends on the kid's willingness to be helped. If the kid's willing, there's no coercion, regardless of the methods employed. Isn't your criterion overly subjective?No, if you read what I wrote you'll see that I said "(not to mention other red flags like no due process, LGAT type techniques etc. etc.,)"
Doing research and through my own personal journey, not every program is bad. A LOT most surely are, but there are some that I do believe to be helpful. It seems like most are against ANY program whatsoever. Discuss this with me?
Wrong. The Due Process Clause is what enables parents to send kids to programs. "For example, religious parents persuaded the Supreme Court to recognize a substantive due process right "to control the education of one's children" and void state laws mandating that all students attend public school. In Pierce v. Society of Sisters, the Supreme Court said:We think it entirely plain that the Act of 1922 unreasonably interferes with the liberty of parents and guardians to direct the upbringing and education of children under their control. As often heretofore pointed out, rights guaranteed by the Constitution may not be abridged by legislation which has no reasonable relation to some purpose within the competency of the state. The fundamental theory of liberty upon which all governments in this Union repose excludes any general power of the state to standardize its children by forcing them to accept instruction from public teachers only.''http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Due_process
I see Psy has started applying his scarlet letter strategy. Post a differing opinion, and you get the mark. It's almost as if he is trying to destroy fornits on purpose.
Parents fought hard for due process and like the person above stated, we do have that now for our kids. If parents take the extra time they need get outside help they can figure out which places are not good for there kid and find a good placement.
Just schools. The provisions doesnt cover a parent from them sending a child to boot camps or abuse pits. Boarding schools fall under the provision and home schooling. Parents need to do what they feel is right for their kids. Many families homeschooled their kids before the law was passed and maybe that was legally wrong but the families felt it was in the bet interst of their child. Eventually the laws coaught up, so I can see new laws in the future like you suggested but the parents need to act today
