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« on: September 14, 2006, 07:36:39 AM »
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Psychiatric Drug Facts
 Peter R. Breggin, M.D.


What your doctor may not know about:
 How psychiatric drugs really work
Adverse drug effects on the brain and mind
 The role of the FDA
 Drug company practices
 Recent medical and legal developments
 Electroshock and psychosurgery


Peter R. Breggin, M.D. began in the full time private practice of psychiatry in 1968.  Dr. Breggin has been informing the professions, media and the public about the potential dangers of drugs, electroshock, psychosurgery, involuntary treatment, and the biological theories of psychiatry for over three decades. Since 1964 Dr. Breggin has been publishing peer-reviewed articles and medical books in his subspecialty of clinical psychopharmacology. He is the author of dozens of scientific articles and nineteen professional books, many dealing with psychiatric medication, the FDA and drug approval process, the evaluation of clinical trials, and standards of care in psychiatry and related fields.  
      In 1972 he founded The International Center for the Study of Psychiatry and Psychology (ICSPP) as a nonprofit research and educational network.  The Center is concerned with the impact of mental health theory and practices upon individual well-being, personal freedom, and family and community values.  He also founded the peer-review journal, Ethical Human Sciences and Services.  In 2002, Dr. Breggin and his wife Ginger selected new and younger professionals to take over leadership of the journal and ICSPP (see ICSPP.org).
      For thirty years Dr. Breggin has served as a medical expert in many civil and criminal suits including individual malpractice cases andproduct liability suits against the manufacturers of psychiatric drugs.  His work provided the scientific basis for the original combined Prozac suits, for the more recent Ritalin class action suits, and for label changes in many psychiatric drugs.  
      Dr. Breggin's background includes Harvard College, Case Western Reserve Medical School, a teaching fellowship at Harvard Medical School, a two-year staff appointment to the National Institute of Mental Health (NIMH), and a faculty appointment to the Johns Hopkins University Department of Counseling.


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« Reply #1 on: September 14, 2006, 10:18:08 AM »
Delete this as spam.
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« Reply #2 on: September 14, 2006, 10:32:44 AM »
Excuse me but there has been a request for "real science" and there's no more of a qualified source than Dr. Peter Breggin, as the credentials listed in the opening note demonstrate..
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The Ritalin Fact Book: What Your Doctor Won't Tell You About ADHD and Stimulant Drugs
by Peter R. Breggin, MD


http://http://www.breggin.com/prbbooks.html

This book is the easiest and most direct way to get information on the stimulant drugs including Ritalin, Ritalin SR, Adderall, Adderall XR, Dexedrine, Focalin, Concerta, Metadate ER and Cylert. It contains the latest research on side effects, including permanent brain damage and dysfunction, and guidance on how to help out-of-control children without resort to drugs.
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« Reply #3 on: September 14, 2006, 10:36:49 AM »
You're not excused.

You're still promoting products and services and created a new thread to do it. The rest of the Troubled Parent forum doesn't care about your litle hissy fit.

Even if this clown is more than just fear mongering, it's still definitely spam. Delete.
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« Reply #4 on: September 14, 2006, 10:51:56 AM »
Quote from: ""Milk Gargling Death Penal""
You're not excused.

You're still promoting products and services and created a new thread to do it. The rest of the Troubled Parent forum doesn't care about your litle hissy fit.

Even if this clown is more than just fear mongering, it's still definitely spam. Delete.


    Fear-mongering??? Wasn't it you who is pleading for "Sound Science"??? (And now that it's present you go off the deep end..)

   Here's just a small sample of the contributions Dr. Peter Breggin has made for the "Sound Science" standards you are pleading for..

http://http://www.breggin.com/biblio.html

Bibliography of Peter R. Breggin, M.D.

The bibliography is divided into the following three sections:
I.    19 professional books
II.   34 peer-reviewed articles
III.  Many other professional publications such as articles, reviews, letters, and book chapters.

I. PROFESSIONAL BOOKS
 
1. College Students in a Mental Hospital: Contribution to the Social Rehabilitation of the Mentally Ill.  New York, Grune & Stratton, 1962 (jointly authored by Carter Umbarger, James Dalsimer, Andrew Morrison, and Peter Breggin).  

2. Electroshock: Its Brain-Disabling Effects.  New York, Springer
Publishing Company, 1979.  Translated into French, German &
Italian.  Behavioral Sciences Book Club selection.
 
3. The Psychology of Freedom: Liberty and Love as a Way of Life .  
Buffalo, Prometheus Books, 1980.

4. Psychiatric Drugs: Hazards to the Brain.  New York, Springer
Publishing Company, 1983.

5. Toxic Psychiatry: Why Therapy, Empathy and Love Must Replace the Drugs, Electroshock and Biochemical Theories of the ?New Psychiatry"   New York, St. Martin's Press, 1991.  Psychotherapy
Book Club selection.  Special English edition with an introduction by Dorothy Rowe.  Harper/Collins, London, 1993.  St. Martin's paperback, 1994.  Also translated into German.

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   What are your qualifications???
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« Reply #5 on: September 14, 2006, 10:58:02 AM »
Just because someone can write books consisting of the same, tired nonsense for twenty years doesn't make him any smarter than the hordes of psychiatrists out there actively prescribing psychiatric drugs.

Nobody on this board is going to buy his books as a result of your postings, and repeating long lists of copy-and-pasted text will win you no friends.

Find another forum to peddle your crap.

LOL... just Googling for this guy long enough will yield some fun info.

http://www.holysmoke.org/cos/adhd-quackwatch.htm

He's pretty much the Jack Thompson of the psychiatric world.. repeating the same alarmist crap and getting paid big for it.
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« Reply #6 on: September 14, 2006, 11:16:17 AM »
Quote from: ""Milk Gargling Death Penal""
Just because someone can write books consisting of the same, tired nonsense for twenty years doesn't make him any smarter than the hordes of psychiatrists out there actively prescribing psychiatric drugs.

Nobody on this board is going to buy his books as a result of your postings, and repeating long lists of copy-and-pasted text will win you no friends.


   Who's looking for friends??? You asked for "sound science" and I provided a great source.

   And this is the same Dr. Breggin who has repeatedly testified before Congress. has given expert testimony in numerous lawsuits against drug manufactuers, and has affect the new lable warning mandated by the FDA and you have the nerve to call him a qwack?

   Tell me..., these "the hordes of psychiatrists out there actively prescribing psychiatric drugs..." as you say..., where would their money come from if they weren't "actively prescribing psychiatric drugs"???

   Will you answer that question?
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« Reply #7 on: September 14, 2006, 11:39:34 AM »
They make their loot from the people paying for their services. Duh. When people are paying you $100/hour for a couch session, I don't think you need to sell drugs, eh?

http://http://www.quackwatch.org/11Ind/breggin.html

This court finds that the evidence of Peter Breggin, as a purported expert, fails nearly all particulars under the standard set forth in Daubert  and its progeny. . . . . Simply put, the Court believes that Dr. Breggin's opinions do not rise to the level of an opinion based on "good science." The motion to exclude his testimony as an expert witness should be granted. -- Magistrate Judge B. Waugh Crigler in Lam v. The Upjohn Company, No. 94-0033-H, W. Dist., of VA (Harrisonburg Division, U.S. District Court, 1995)

The court believes not only is this gentleman unqualified to render the opinions that he did, I believe that his bias in this case is blinding. . . . I find that he . . . was not only unprepared, he was mistaken in a lot of the factual basis for which he expressed his opinion. . . . The court is going to strike the testimony of Dr. Breggin, finding that it has no rational basis. -- Judge Hilary J. Caplan in Lightner v. Alessi, No. 94013064/CL174959 (Baltimore City Circuit Court, 1995).



Dr. Breggin's observations are totally without credibility. I can almost declare him, I guess from statements that floor me, to say the he's a fraud or at least approaching that He has made some outrageous statements and written outrageous books and which he says he has now withdrawn and his thinking is different. He's untrained. He's a member of no hospital staff. He has not since medical school participated in any studies to support his conclusions except maybe one. . . . I can't place any credence or credibility in what he has to recommend in this case. -- Judge James W. Rice in Schellinger v. Schellinger, No. 93-FA-939-763 (Milwaukee County Circuit Court, 1997)
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« Reply #8 on: September 14, 2006, 12:46:07 PM »
Sounds like the opinions of some real brilliant judges to me allright..

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Peter R. Breggin, M.D.
101 East State Street, Box 112
Ithaca, New York 14850
Phone 607 272 5328 - Fax 607 272 5329

 RESUME SUMMARY

BACKGROUND HIGHLIGHTS:

 Harvard College (Cambridge) (1954-58)


            Graduated with Honors in Social Relations.                                    

            Directed Harvard-Radcliffe Mental Hospital Volunteer Program.    

            Research grants from Harvard Medical School and the National Institute of Mental Health (NIMH).      

            Co-authored 1st professional book, College Students in a Mental Hospital (1962)..

Case Western Reserve School of Medicine (Cleveland) (1958-1962):          

            Conducted four years of psychopharmacology lab research with controlled animal trials supported by NIMH grant, resulting in first two published papers in psychopharmacology.

            Special four-year individual tutorial with pediatrician Benjamin Spock, M.D.        

Diplomat, National Board of Medical Examiners (1963):

            Highest grade in country (99%) on psychiatry portion of boards used to qualify for medical licenses.          

Massachusetts Mental Health Center (Boston) (1963-64):

            First Year Resident in Psychiatry at the main Harvard teaching hospital.

            Teaching Fellow at Harvard Medical School.          

State University of New York Upstate Medical Center (Syracuse) (1962-63, 1964-66):

            Intern in Mixed Medicine and Psychiatry.

            Second and Third Year Resident and Teaching Assistant in Psychiatry.            

National Institute of Mental Health (NIMH) and U. S. Public Health Service Officer (Charlottesville, VA and Bethesda, MD) (1966-68):  

            Full-time NIMH Consultant in Building and Staffing Community Mental Health   Centers (1966-67).

            Full-time NIMH Consultant in Mental Health and Education (1967-68).

University of Maryland (1968-1970):

            Faculty, courses in counseling department.

Washington School of Psychiatry (1968-1972):

            Faculty, courses for school counselors.

George Mason University (1990-96):          

            Adjunct Professor of Conflict Analysis and Resolution, courses on brain and behavior.          

Johns Hopkins University (1996-99):

            Faculty Associate in the Department of Counseling and Human Services, courses including psychopharmacology and diagnosis in psychiatry.


                               II. HIGHLIGHTS OF PROFESSIONAL ACTIVITIES:

 Private Practice of Psychiatry, Washington, DC and Bethesda, MD. (1968-2002):          

             Full-time private practice with individuals, families, and children.

            Subspecialty clinical psychopharmacology and the drug approval process.

Private Practice of Psychiatry, Ithaca, New York.  (2003-present):          

            In November 2002, all of my professional activities moved to Ithaca, New York.  

Founder and Director, International Center for the Study of Psychiatry and Psychology (1972-2002) and Director Emeritus (2002-present):

Founded and directed reform organization called "the conscience of psychiatry" including a professional peer-reviewed journal, annual scientific meetings and two thousand members.            

Editor-in-Chief (1998-2002) and Founding Editor and Consultant (2002-present) of Ethical Human Sciences and Services: An International Journal of Critical Inquiry.

Founded and edited a peer-reviewed journal with 40 contributing editors published by Springer Publishing Company.

 Editorial Consultant (mostly current):

International Journal of Risk and Safety in Medicine
The Psychotherapy Patient
Journal of Critical Psychology, Counselling and Psychotherapy: Journal of the Psychology and Psychotherapy Association
The Humanistic Psychologist
Journal of Mind and Behavior
Hospital and Community Psychiatry (reviewer in past)


Scientific Presenter at Conferences, Grand Rounds, Universities:  

Hundreds of invited scientific presentations on psychopharmacology, shock treatment, psychosurgery, psychotherapy, and legal issues, including to the National Institutes of Health (NIH) Consensus Development Conferences on Diagnosis and Treatment of Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder (November 1998); the NIH Consensus Development Conference on Electroconvulsive Therapy (1985); National Institutes of Health Panel on NIH Research on Anti-social, Aggressive and Violence-related Behaviors and Their Consequences (1994);  National Institute of Mental Health (NIMH) Guest Speakers Program; U.S. House of Representatives Committee on Education (September 2000); American Psychiatric Association; NIH Institute on Hospital and Community Psychiatry; American Psychological Association; American Orthopsychiatry Association; American Autism Society; American Association for the Advancement of Science; American Counseling Association, Connecticut Psychiatric Society Residents Program, Harvard University School of Education Special Lecture; Georgetown University School of Medicine Department of Pharmacology; New Jersey Medical School Department of Psychiatry Annual Medical Forum; Walter Reed Army Hospital Psychiatric Residency Program; National Naval Medical Center; Metropolitan Hospital Center/New York Medical College Department of Psychiatry; Manhattan State Hospital (New York City) Grand Rounds; Spring Grove Hospital (Maryland) CME Credit Seminars; Chestnut Lodge Hospital Case Conference; St. Elizabeths Hospital Grand Rounds and Seminars (Washington, DC); Regents College of Psychotherapy and Counseling (London); Institute for Genetics (Cologne); Royal Ottawa Hospital Grand Rounds (Canada); MIND of Great Britain; University of Sheffield Department of Psychiatry (England).

Advanced Training Courses:

            Psychopharmacology, drug development, drug labeling and the FDA.          

Medical Expert and Researcher:

I have testified in many cases in past 25 years including criminal, malpractice, product liability and class action, often involving psychopharmacology, including neuroleptic-induced tardive dyskinesia and SSRI-induced violence and suicide.  

Some of the suits in which I have been involved, and some of research I have published, resulted in changes being made in the FDA-approved labels for neuroleptics and SSRI antidepressants.  

A few highlights include:

            (1)  Medical expert in Kaimowitz v. Department of Mental Health, Wayne County, Michigan (1973).  The three-judge panel followed my testimony in an opinion that helped to stop lobotomy and psychosurgery in the state and federal facilities around the country.

            (2) Medical expert for the 100 or more combined Prozac product liability suits (1992-1994) against Eli Lilly, including the famous Wesbecker trial (Fentress et al.) that the drug company secretly settled in a controversial manipulation of the court system.

            (3 Medical expert and consultant in many tardive dyskinesia malpractice and product liability suits.

            (4 Medical expert in numerous criminal cases with defenses based on involuntary intoxication with psychiatric drugs.

            (5) Invited Scientific Presenter on adverse drug effects in children at the November 1998 National Institutes of Health (NIH) Consensus Development Conference on the Diagnosis and Treatment of Attention Deficit Disorder.

            (6)  Medical consultant for the FAA (Federal Aviation Agency) concerning effects of SSRIs on pilots (1998-2000).

            (7) Testimony before the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) on the dangers of SSRI antidepressants in children (February 2004). The published opinion of the FDA panel closely paralleled my testimony and publications about the overall risk of stimulation (activation) with the potential for agitation, violence and suicide.

Memberships:          

           American Psychiatric Association (Life Member)
           American Orthopsychiatry Association (Fellow)
           Canadian Psychiatric Association
           Royal Society of Medicine
           Regulatory Affairs Professionals Society (RAPS)
           Drug Information Association (DIA)
          World Association of Medical Editors

Medical Licenses:

            New York State, Washington, D.C., Maryland, and Virginia.          

Publications:

            19 professional books and more than 30 peer-reviewed journal articles, many in  the area of psychopharmacology (see below for details).


III. PROFESSIONAL BOOKS (1962-present):

            1. College Students in a Mental Hospital: Contribution to the Social Rehabilitation of the Mentally Ill (New York, Grune & Stratton, 1962)

               (jointly authored by Carter Umbarger, James Dalsimer, Andrew Morrison, and Peter Breggin).  

            2. Electroshock: Its Brain-Disabling Effects (Springer, NY, 1979).          

            3. The Psychology of Freedom: Liberty and Love as a Way of Life Buffalo, Prometheus Books, 1980.        

            4. Psychiatric Drugs: Hazards to the Brain (Springer, NY, 1983).

            5. Toxic Psychiatry (St. Martin's, NY, 1991).

            6. Beyond Conflict (St. Martin's, NY, 1992).

            7. Talking Back to Prozac (with Ginger Breggin) (St. Martin's, NY, 1994).

            8. The War Against Children (with Ginger Breggin) (St. Martin's, NY, 1994).                                              

            9. Psychosocial Approaches to Deeply Disturbed Persons  (senior editor) (Haworth Press, NY, 1996).

            10. Brain-Disabling Treatments in Psychiatry: Drugs, Electroshock and the Role of the FDA (Springer, NY, 1997).

            11. The Heart of Being Helpful: Empathy and the Creation of a Healing Presence (Springer, NY, 1997).

            12. Talking Back To Ritalin (Common Courage Press, ME, 1998).

            13. The War Against Children of Color: Psychiatry Targets Inner City Children. (Common Courage Press, ME, 1998)  (with G. Breggin)

                 Revision and update of The War Against Children.

            14. Your Drug May Be Your Problem: How and Why To Stop Taking Psychiatric Medications.  (Perseus Books, Cambridge, MA, 1999)

                (Co-authored by David Cohen, Ph.D.).

            15. Reclaiming Our Children: A Healing Solution to a Nation in Crisis. (Perseus Books, Cambridge, MA, 2,000).          

            16. Talking Back to Ritalin, Revised Edition.  (Perseus Books, Cambridge, MA, 2001).          

            17.  The Antidepressant Fact book.  (Perseus Books, Cambridge, MA, 2001)

            18. Dimensions of Empathic Therapy (jointly co-edited by Ginger Breggin and Fred Bemak) (Springer, NY, 2002).

            19. The Ritalin Fact Book.  (Perseus Books, Cambridge, MA, 2002).

IV. PEER-REVIEWED PUBLICATIONS (1964-present):

            1. "The Psychophysiology of Anxiety."  Journal of Nervous Mental Diseases 139:558-568, 1964.

            2. "Coercion of Voluntary Patients in an Open Hospital."  Archives of General Psychiatry 10:173-181, 1964.  Reprinted with a new introduction in Edwards, R.B. (ed): Psychiatry and Ethics.  Buffalo, Prometheus Books, 1982, and in Edwards, R.B. (ed): Ethics of Psychiatry. Amherst, New York, Prometheus Books, 1997.

            3. "The Sedative-like Effect of Epinephrine."  Archives of General Psychiatry  12:255-259, 1965.

            4. "Psychotherapy as Applied Ethics."  Psychiatry 34:59-75, 1971.

            5. "Therapy as Applied Utopian Politics."  Mental Health and Society 1:129-146, 1974.

            6. "Psychiatry and Psychotherapy as Political Processes."  American Journal of Psychotherapy 29:369-382, 1975.

            7. "Madness is a Failure of Free Will; Therapy Too Often Encourages It."  Psychiatric Quarterly 53:61-68, 1981.  Originally published (in French) in Verdiglione A (ed):La Folie Dans La Psychoanalyse.  Paris, Payot, 1977.

            8. "Electroshock Therapy and Brain Damage: The Acute Organic Brain Syndrome as Treatment."  Behavior and Brain Sciences 7:24-25, 1984

            9. "Neuropathology and Cognitive Dysfunction from ECT."  Psychopharmacology Bulletin  22:476-479, 1986.

            10. "Ellettroshock: Tra Rischioiatrogeno e Mito Terapeutico."  (P. Breggin and G. de Girolamo)  Quaderni Italiani di Psychiatrica 6:497-540, 1987.

            11. "The Three Dynamics of Human Progress: A Unified Theory Applicable to Individuals, Institutions and Society."  Review of Existential Psychology and Psychiatry 21:(Nos. 1-3)97-123, 1988-89.

            12. "Precious the Crow."  Voices (Journal of the American Academy of Psychotherapists) 23:32-42, Summer 1987.

            13. "Brain Damage, Dementia and Persistent Cognitive Dysfunction Associated with Neuroleptic Drugs: Evidence, Etiology, Implications."  Journal of Mind Behavior 11:425-464, 1990.

            14. "Psychotherapy in the Shadow of the Psycho-Pharmaceutical Complex," Voices (journal of the American Academy of Psychotherapists) 27:15-21, 1991.

            15. "A Case of Fluoxetine-induced Stimulant Side Effects with Suicidal Ideation Associated with a Possible Withdrawal Syndrome ("Crashing")."  International Journal of Risk & Safety in Medicine 3:325-328, 1992.

            16. "Parallels Between Neuroleptic Effects and Lethargic Encephalitis: The Production of Dyskinesias and Cognitive disorders."  Brain and Cognition 23:8-27, 1993.

             17. "A Biomedical Programme for Urban Violence Control in the US: The Dangers of Psychiatric Social Control."  (Peter Breggin and Ginger Ross Breggin). Changes: An International Journal of Psychology and Psychotherapy 11, No. 1 (March):59-71, 1993.  

            18. "Psychiatry's Role in the Holocaust."  International Journal of Risk and Safety in Medicine 4:133-148, 1993.  Adapted from a paper delivered at "Medical Science Without Compassion" in Cologne, Germany and published in the conference proceedings.

            19. "Should the Use of Neuroleptics Be Severely Limited?"  Changes: An International Journal of Psychology and Psychotherapy  14:62-66  March 1996.        

            20. "The Hazards of Treating 'Attention-Deficit/Hyperactivity Disorder' with Methylphenidate (Ritalin)" (coauthored by Ginger Breggin) Journal of College Student Psychotherapy 10:55-72, 1996.

            21. "Psychotherapy in Emotional Crises without Resort to Psychiatric Medication." The Humanistic Psychologist 25:2-14, 1998.

            22. "Analysis of Adverse Behavioral Effects of Benzodiazepines with a Discussion of Drawing Scientific Conclusions from the FDA's Spontaneous Reporting System."  Journal of Mind and Behavior 19:21-50, 1998.

            23. "Electroshock: Scientific, ethical, and political issues.?  International Journal of Risk & Safety In Medicine 11:5-40, 1998.

            24. "Psychostimulants in the treatment of children diagnosed with ADHD: Part I?Acute risks and psychological effects."  Ethical Human Sciences and Services 1:13-33, 1999.

            25. "Psychostimulants in the treatment of children diagnosed with ADHD: Part II?Adverse effects on brain and behavior.?  Ethical Human Sciences and Services 1:213-241, 1999.  

            26. "Psychostimulants in the treatment of children diagnosed with ADHD: Risks and mechanism of action."  International Journal of Risk and Safety in Medicine, 12 (1), 3-35, 1999.  (Simultaneously published version of #?s 24 and 25)

            27. "Empathic self-transformation and love in individual and family therapy."  Humanistic Psychologist, 27:267-282, 1999.

            28. "What psychologists and psychotherapists need to know about ADHD and stimulants."  Changes: An International Journal of Psychology and Psychotherapy 18:13-23, Spring 2000.

            29. "The NIMH multimodal study of treatment for attention-deficit/hyperactivity disorder: A critical analysis."  International Journal of Risk and Safety in Medicine 13:15-22, 2000.          

            30. "Empowering social work in the era of biological psychiatry." (2001) [The annual Ephraim Lisansky lecture of the University of Maryland School of Social Work.]  Ethical Human Sciences and Services 3:197-206.

            31. "Fluvoxamine as a cause of stimulation, mania, and aggression with a critical analysis of the FDA-approved label."  International Journal of Risk and Safety in Medicine, 14: 71-86, 2002.

            32. ?Psychopharmacology and human values.?  Journal of Humanistic Psychology, 43: 34-49, 2003.        

            33. ?Suicidality, violence and mania caused by selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors (SSRIs): A review and analysis.? Ethical Human Sciences and Services 5:225-246, 2003. Simultaneously published in the International Journal of Risk and Safety in Medicine, 16, 31-49, 2003/2004.

            34. ?Recent U.S., Canadian and British regulatory agency actions concerning antidepressant-induced harm to self and others: A review and analysis.? Ethical Human Psychology and Psychiatry, 7, 7-22, 2005. Simultaneously published in the International Journal of Risk and Safety in Medicine, 16, 247-259, 2005.

            35. ?Recent regulatory changes in antidepressant labels: Implications for activation (stimulation) in clinical practice.? Primary Psychiatry, 13, 57-60, 2006


 


 Dr. Breggin  Peter R. Breggin, MD
101 East State Street, PMB 112
Ithaca, New York 14850
By Appointment Only
Phone 607 272 5328
Fax 607 272 5329
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« Reply #9 on: September 14, 2006, 12:49:34 PM »
"I can win this argument with mass copy and paste if I really, really try!"

Clap your hands for the fairies, buddy boy. It'll help about as much.
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« Reply #10 on: September 14, 2006, 01:55:39 PM »
You're clearly dangerous Milk if you think this is really some sort of game and I feel very sorry for anyone who falls for your BS. You're the one that clearly needs to be helped.
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« Reply #11 on: September 14, 2006, 10:12:50 PM »
While you two throw authority figures at each other as if someone's resume actually can mean they must be right, I have a few basic questions to think about.

1. Is our behavior dictated by the chemicals and hormones sloshing around our bodies, or do we actually think, weigh the evidence, consider the consequences, and make decisions of our own free will? Or perhaps, our behavior is a mix of both?

2. In a world without institutionalized education, would ADHD and ODD, etc ever be an issue? Is ADHD really an abnormality, or is it something that is just a normal characteristic of some human beings? After all, we on Fornit's criticize the Troubled Teen Industry for its one-size-fits-all approach while ignoring that education in the USA lumps all kids together by age in the same education model and expects every kid to be developmentally at the same level at the same age. Doesn't that just seem stupid, or is it just me?

3. Why are 84% of kids who take Ritalin, male? Perhaps a bias against aggressive, active, boy behavior in the schools?

In the 1960s, there was a movement away from the punishment model in our prisons, to the rehabilitation model. It was believed that criminals 'weren't born, society created them.' By definition, someone must be commiting a crime because they suffer from a mental disorder. Prisoners, therefore, should be treated instead of punished. Prisons should be replaced with mental hospitals. This model, besides being really scary, crashed and burned as it was discovered that rehabilitation was not nearly as easy or as effective as hoped.

In other words, think for yourselves folks, and ditch the authorities and experts. They tend to be idiots with an agenda, anyway.
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« Reply #12 on: September 15, 2006, 01:50:17 PM »
quite right.  Its not thinking for themselves that influences parents to send their kids away.
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« Reply #13 on: September 15, 2006, 03:15:48 PM »
please could the "gests"  join the forum and not hide in  their self promoting cowardice of anoninity.

just a thought

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