try another castle wrote:These places always place the blame on the kid, ...
... Would you like to know what they start teaching you the minute you walk in the door? That your parents are unfeeling assholes who have done nothing but crush your inner child since day 1, and sent you away because they just want to abandon you.
You're contradicting yourself.
Thanks, I should have been more specific. My point is that BOTH of these subtexts exist in the program, and that is indeed contradictory. Like I said, totally schizophrenic.
It's actually consistent with all relevant forms of psychotherapy. Ultimately, regardless of what people say or do, you are solely responsible for your actions and feelings.
This isn't a parent, this is a cultie spouting jibberish "you are soley responsible for your actions and feelings." Oh, that sounds familiar
There is not a medical doctor in the world, nor a half way thoughtful person that would concur with you on that.
If your kid actually existed you'd be killing him now through his torture at Carlbrook. And after he commited suicide you would tell yourself "he was soley responsible for his actions and feelings," you evil bitch. You would have been respobsible for your kid's feelings When you abuse him he gets a surfeit of negative ones.. If your kid had actually existed and was truly so so so miserable and out of control it was because of the home you made for him. Go die in a hole .
Andacourse, if we're all soley responsible for our feelings and actions what the fuck is the point of any "program," therapy, (not to mention education friendships or parenting at all)
Why do you people talk reason to these peices of shit. they deserve prison or a civil suit, that's it.
To be fair, Karen sounded similar in tone to this when she came to the boards. I often wondered why she stayed, since it seemed to me that a parent would have much better things to do than defend the school she sent her son to, but she did, and she's real, not a program shill. (And it's amazing she stuck around as long as she did, too. Long enough to actually change her mind about some things.)
Then, of course, on the other end of capacity for reason, there was anne (Ottowa), who was apparently certifiably insane, and could come off somewhat articulate one minute, and go into a borderline streak of ultimate weirdness the next. I however, cannot vouch for that myself, since she took her leave a bit before I stumbled in here, but I did snoop around in the archives for a bit quite a while ago.
As such, if I get a parent vibe from someone, I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt. I just dont have the time or energy to play detective when I get an impression a certain way. Especially since Id rather risk having some shill laugh at me (cause I really dont give a fuck) than alienate someone who sounds like they are actually willing to participate in discourse and had their kid in one of these places. Especially if it will head them off from recommending hovels like these to other parents, which, I think, is probably the most important issue when speaking with a program parent.
Hell, man, think about it this way, the program will attempt to do a bit of indoctrination on your parents as well. The term program parent didnt just fall out of the sky, you know. My own Dad tells me that the reason our relationship can be rocky sometimes is because it's entirely my fault and that the only thing he is guilty of is being an enabler. (He watches too much TV) The man is a freakin lawyer and he thinks this way. Even if it were mostly my fault, it's logistically impossible for it to be all of my fault. I don't argue with him about it any more. Pick your battles and all.
(still I classify our relationship as relatively functional. We just have bad spots here and there, cause we're like, people, n stuff.)
There are lots of different kinds of parents out there.
I'm as adept at talking trash as anyone on this forum, and sometimes I've done it with parents, too. (I recall giving Karen a tough time now and then.) But other times I'm willing to extend some energy. I'm not completely useless you know, albeit tragically inconsistent.
Regardless, Ive pretty much said all Ive had to say on this.