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« Reply #15 on: October 01, 2005, 11:03:00 PM »
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On 2005-10-01 19:15:00, Anonymous wrote:

Yes, thats true. I should have said a parent home all day that is engaged with their childs life


Well, let me go and rummage around for my dissident hat. Ah! There it is, right where I left it.

You might well be describing my mother prior to her having found enlightenment w/ the Seed. It was alright, though! Seriously! I had my dad teaching me everything from fire arms safety, accuracy and reloading (shells, not clips) to how to properly paint a house. And there were the old farts willing to teach gardening and stone cutting. Then there where the older brothers and sisters and all their social contacts. Then there were the retirees in the neighborhood who kept tabs on all of us.

It does take a village to raise a child. It takes a village idiot to think we need professionals (public or private sector) to improve on the system.

Truth in matters of religion is simply the opinion that has survived.
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« Reply #16 on: October 01, 2005, 11:10:00 PM »
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On 2005-10-01 19:39:00, Anonymous wrote:

Answer to the first Question: At Work
Answer to the Second Question: Picking up Daughter at school
Answer to third Question: Stolen
Answer to Forth Question: Dropped out of school, wont communicate, no eye contact, abuses sisters, wont work.

Why? That's the question. If you're doing everything right, why, oh why, can't your dumb assed kid just see it! Cause you don't have any evidence, that's why. When he/she was 10, the threat of an ass whoopin might have sufficed. Now he/she is as tall as you and endowed w/ the mighty awsome power of procreation. That's not going to work anymore. What else have you got in your bag of tricks?

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I never mention lock-up, you did, shame on you!!

It goes w/o saying around here. Sad, huh?

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Sure lets blame the parent on this one. You have offered no solutions for this poor teen who needs help, just look past the person who really needs the attention and focus on the parent.

Ask anyone from NOLA recently. You're the grown up, you ARE the last gap! No one is coming to your rescue, no matter what they promise or how much they charge. You're it. Frightening, isn't it? But it's the truth.

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A 2 year old can tell you that something is broken and point the finger, but it takes someone with some experience and or knowledge to fix the problem and that is what most parents are seeking, solutions.


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« Reply #17 on: October 02, 2005, 12:08:00 AM »
***You're a rare one, Karen. You know that, aside from my childhood minister (as I remember him) you're probably my favorite Christian. Whatever the dogma, it takes a fine human being to live it.

I second that!!
Deborah ::cheers::
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« Reply #18 on: October 02, 2005, 12:19:00 AM »
***A 2 year old can tell you that something is broken and point the finger, but it takes someone with some ecperience and or knowledge to fix the problem and that is what most parents are seeking, solutions.

I get it. You can tell us that the kid is 'broken' and point the finger at him (her?). I'm sorry for your ignorance and inability to create a 'solution' that might foster genuine respect with the child. Actually sorry for the child.
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« Reply #19 on: October 02, 2005, 11:24:00 AM »
Well thanks folks for the kudos - rather made my day :smile: but as for favorites - I expect your leaving a lot of fine men and women out of the running.

Your right Ginger - It was new money foolishness. ( I cringe when I think what Dad would say - your a ding bat you hear me - a ding bat!!)
There was a certain amount of logic behind the decision - it was just terribly flawed by my ignorance.

I was thinking over those I had grown up with who had had "drug problems" - meaning their drug use caused a steady stream of problems, drama and turmoil, in the living of their lives.

I had seen the typical rehab at work in the lives of many people - and had never once seen it really help. You know - 10 in and then meetings - never saw it do a bit of good.

Certainly the school / county ordered drug counseling proved useless in our case - as did the grief counseling I tried to get him to take advantage of (b/c I thought then, and still do, that Dad's death threw my son for a loop and was responsible for his change of behavior) And so, I thought something long term - something removing him from the neighborhood - something like that might be the solution.

Keep in mind - I thought I was buying him an enriched boarding school experience with a drug rehab component *sigh* I thought he would be seeing this beautiful and friendly country - seeing fantastically diverse wildlife and panoramic views - I thought he would be hiking in the rain forest; and swimming in the ocean. I thought we were very lucky to be able to provide him with such a wonderful opportunity *sigh*

And ya'll know the rest of the story.

As for the mom at home being the solution - apparently not - b/c I was an at home (and a sober, attentive) mom. Its more of a societal shift I am talking about. *I* was home - but very few others were - and there were several who were very willing to hide my run away and get drunk and/ or stoned with him and his buddies - and this made it difficult for us to be effective parents.
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« Reply #20 on: October 02, 2005, 05:37:00 PM »
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On 2005-10-01 21:19:00, Anonymous wrote:

"***A 2 year old can tell you that something is broken and point the finger, but it takes someone with some ecperience and or knowledge to fix the problem and that is what most parents are seeking, solutions.



I get it. You can tell us that the kid is 'broken' and point the finger at him (her?). I'm sorry for your ignorance and inability to create a 'solution' that might foster genuine respect with the child. Actually sorry for the child.

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No,No,No you missed the point.  What I mean by that is vertually anyone can recognize a problem and even identify the cause sometimes, but solutions are hard to come by.
In this case determining what to do to HELP the child, turn him/her around etc.  There seems to be a lack of input in general (except dont send them to a TBS).
Sorry if it wasnt clear.
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« Reply #21 on: October 02, 2005, 10:14:00 PM »
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On 2005-10-02 14:37:00, Anonymous wrote:

but solutions are hard to come by.


Yeah, sometimes, rare as hens' teeth. But that doesn't mean that everyone promising a solution can really deliver.

The 'alternative' [old fashioned wisdom] is as simple and as complex as 'it's on you'. And it is. It's on you to determine, not only what to do to help (that's relatively easy) but whether you can help or whether it would be better to abstain from stealing your kids' thunder.

Here's a funny little nugget. When I was a very young kid, I was forced to attend open meetings (not much different from abrevieated, but more frequent seminars). I was a little kid. I got bored. I counted the rafters and read, over and over again, the signs on the wall. One of them said "God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannon change, the courage to change the things I can and the wisdom to know the difference." I think I took that to heart far more than any of the people advocating the fucked up rest of the program.

I have found Christian dogma unintelligible. Early in life, I absenteed myself from Christian assemblies.
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« Reply #22 on: October 03, 2005, 07:02:00 AM »
I like to stir the pot so I am going to try to stir it up again. I read all these posts blaming the parents and telling them to take responsibility. Now I am going to defend some parents; mine.
 
When I was in first grade, my Mom starting laughing at jokes I could not hear and talking to people I could not see. Can you guess what was happening?

To a six-year-old boy things were getting pretty weird, pretty fast. I remember tugging and tugging on my Mom's arm and trying to get her attention. She just wasn't there. I had been abandoned. Was that her fault?

My Mom would take us to several stores and buy literally thousands of dollars of clothes and things she had no money to buy from store clerks who tried desperately to talk her out of it. She would then stand around on a corner for hours until my Dad came to get us. The clerks would call my Dad and he would have to leave work to get us. We lived in a small town where everyone knew everyone else. They gracefully allowed my Dad to return the things Mom bought.

My Mom was gone for a year. My Dad was never prepared for this role. His own father died when my Dad was a teenager and so he had no role model to turn to. He was raised in a place and time where men were taught to take care of themselves and not ask others for help. He was raised in a time when women raised children and men brought home paychecks. He never played with us, he simply enforced the rules.

My Dad also suffered from chronic illness. He was in and out of hospitals sometimes for months at a time. He almost died on more than one occasion. I was thirteen during the most serious occurrence of his illness. The extended family housed me. I was passed around. I was only permitted to see my Dad once in four months. For much of this time, I lived in our house by myself. I was expected to keep the lawn mowed and the house cleaned. An uncle or my Dad's Mom would come by and check on me once in a while. My Mom was with my Dad, living near the hospital he was in. The hospital was in another state.

This left my sister and I large periods of unsupervised or at least under supervised time. Yes, we got real into trouble. To call us 'struggling' or 'troubled' would have been an understatement.

So, was my unhappy, sometimes violent, often lawbreaking, drinking, drug-taking, runaway, truant, out of control behavior my parents fault? They were not very good parents. But could they help it? Probably not.

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Over the past few days, my son (who is eight), finally learned to ride a bike. His Mom purchased this cool bike from Toys R Us for about 50 bucks. He managed to ride it without training wheels, but was struggling. I have him on the weekends. I picked him up Friday and he wanted to bike ride with me on the weekend, so I brought the bike. I took him to a bike path. He was riding, but he was not having a good time at all. He was stuggling. He couldn't turn well. He could not go up the slightest hill. He took it out on me and everyone else, including complete strangers. He threw around F bombs and 'idiots.' He would throw the bike down and kick it. He was blaming everyone and everything but himself. It was very embarasssing. It was also obvious to me, what this frustrated child needed. I stopped everything. I tossed both boy and bike into the car and went to my favorite bike store. I had them fit him to a proper bike in his size that he really liked. You see, the bike Mom bought looked like a Harley Davidson chopper complete with long fork, small front tire and pedals out in front of the rider. It looked cool, but was almost impossible for a beginner to ride. I purchased a 21 speed mountain style bike for him. It cost 300 bucks.

I drove boy and new bike back to the bike path. He took to his new bike like a fish to water. He rode seven miles non-stop and was gleefully saying hello to all passersby. He was saying, "weeeee.." down the hills. He was calling out the gear the he was using. He only took one spill and simply said, 'oops' got up and rode on. I have never seen him so proud or so happy.
 
When a kid misbehaves somtimes it is the parents, sometimes it is the child, sometimes it's just getting the right bike.
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« Reply #23 on: October 04, 2005, 02:28:00 PM »
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On 2005-10-03 04:02:00, AtomicAnt wrote:

"I like to stir the pot so I am going to try to stir it up again. I read all these posts blaming the parents and telling them to take responsibility. Now I am going to defend some parents; mine.

 

When I was in first grade, my Mom starting laughing at jokes I could not hear and talking to people I could not see. Can you guess what was happening?



To a six-year-old boy things were getting pretty weird, pretty fast. I remember tugging and tugging on my Mom's arm and trying to get her attention. She just wasn't there. I had been abandoned. Was that her fault?



My Mom would take us to several stores and buy literally thousands of dollars of clothes and things she had no money to buy from store clerks who tried desperately to talk her out of it. She would then stand around on a corner for hours until my Dad came to get us. The clerks would call my Dad and he would have to leave work to get us. We lived in a small town where everyone knew everyone else. They gracefully allowed my Dad to return the things Mom bought.



My Mom was gone for a year. My Dad was never prepared for this role. His own father died when my Dad was a teenager and so he had no role model to turn to. He was raised in a place and time where men were taught to take care of themselves and not ask others for help. He was raised in a time when women raised children and men brought home paychecks. He never played with us, he simply enforced the rules.



My Dad also suffered from chronic illness. He was in and out of hospitals sometimes for months at a time. He almost died on more than one occasion. I was thirteen during the most serious occurrence of his illness. The extended family housed me. I was passed around. I was only permitted to see my Dad once in four months. For much of this time, I lived in our house by myself. I was expected to keep the lawn mowed and the house cleaned. An uncle or my Dad's Mom would come by and check on me once in a while. My Mom was with my Dad, living near the hospital he was in. The hospital was in another state.



This left my sister and I large periods of unsupervised or at least under supervised time. Yes, we got real into trouble. To call us 'struggling' or 'troubled' would have been an understatement.



So, was my unhappy, sometimes violent, often lawbreaking, drinking, drug-taking, runaway, truant, out of control behavior my parents fault? They were not very good parents. But could they help it? Probably not.



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Over the past few days, my son (who is eight), finally learned to ride a bike. His Mom purchased this cool bike from Toys R Us for about 50 bucks. He managed to ride it without training wheels, but was struggling. I have him on the weekends. I picked him up Friday and he wanted to bike ride with me on the weekend, so I brought the bike. I took him to a bike path. He was riding, but he was not having a good time at all. He was stuggling. He couldn't turn well. He could not go up the slightest hill. He took it out on me and everyone else, including complete strangers. He threw around F bombs and 'idiots.' He would throw the bike down and kick it. He was blaming everyone and everything but himself. It was very embarasssing. It was also obvious to me, what this frustrated child needed. I stopped everything. I tossed both boy and bike into the car and went to my favorite bike store. I had them fit him to a proper bike in his size that he really liked. You see, the bike Mom bought looked like a Harley Davidson chopper complete with long fork, small front tire and pedals out in front of the rider. It looked cool, but was almost impossible for a beginner to ride. I purchased a 21 speed mountain style bike for him. It cost 300 bucks.



I drove boy and new bike back to the bike path. He took to his new bike like a fish to water. He rode seven miles non-stop and was gleefully saying hello to all passersby. He was saying, "weeeee.." down the hills. He was calling out the gear the he was using. He only took one spill and simply said, 'oops' got up and rode on. I have never seen him so proud or so happy.

 

When a kid misbehaves somtimes it is the parents, sometimes it is the child, sometimes it's just getting the right bike."


Very inspirational posts Antigen and Atomic Ant !!  I get so angry sometimes with the responses I see and get here its refreshing to get something meaningful and personal once in a while
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