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I think that prospective RCS parents should talk to the parents of the girls and boys who were raped and beaten.  This way they get the truth and not some fake story from a parent who feels guilty for not doing their job and abandoning their child to the likes of seasoned child abusers/neglectors like RCS.

Once these idiot parents sink the kid's college fund into RCS they aren't going to admit that RCS is a shithole very readily.  They have to justify ruining their child's future while simultaneously ruining their present.  Parents carry a ton of denial about their children's abuse because of the cash they sunk into getting their kid abused.  It's a common way of dealing with buyer's remorse - deny the problem so they can't be blamed for causing it.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Re: How often do Programmies lie?
« on: November 11, 2010, 03:40:20 PM »
How often?  "Continuously."

These people lie even when they don't have to.  Take, for example, Whooter.  He lied about everything including "fabricating a son."  He lied about his fiduciary interests.  Lied that he has a daughter.  Lied that his daughter got a HS diploma from ASR, an unaccredited "school" and leaving out the fact that she dropped out of HS when she got home, quit speaking to him for several years and took five years to finally graduate HS.  He lied about being a parent with kids in various programs.  He lied when he posed as children, staff, parents and even research professionals.  He lied about every poster with whom he's ever interacted here.  He lied about sending PMs.  He lied about his dozen of logins and his over fifty aliases.  He lied about posting disgusting scat porn.  He lied about EVERYTHING.

That's just a short incomplete list of the lies of one single programmie.  They're all a bunch of fucking fabricators.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Re: My TTI Postings (general discussion)
« on: November 04, 2010, 10:15:21 AM »
Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
Quote from: "Whooter"
The general rule is to provide a link to a post that we can discuss.  This way we can all take a look.


Then you're finally ready to provide the link where I supposedly said that I "embellished my stories" and that "Straight helped me", right??

 :beat:  :feedtrolls:  :beat:  :feedtrolls:  :beat:  :feedtrolls:  :beat:  :feedtrolls:  :ftard:

Whooter is a fucking liar.  It's what he does.  He gets caught all the time and then he plays stupid games for years to avoid the fact that he lies about everything.  He made up his FAMILY for chrissakes.  What WOULDN'T he lie about??

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::)  0/10.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Re: Public School and Program Abuse
« on: November 03, 2010, 11:34:36 AM »
The ORS stated that RCS failed to do the background checks in 24 of 24 cases.  I'm not certain that not doing background checks at all equates to "safer."  It seems to me to scream "dangerous!"

These programs are dangerous and deadly for this reason and many others.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Re: The smoking gun - do survivors lie?
« on: November 03, 2010, 07:17:46 AM »
Quote from: "Gonzotherapy"
Quote from: "Gonzotherapy"
So I'm taking a poll, The question is: What is Whooters motivation for his thread about kids being molested at school?

Is it A: He is trying to take the spotlight off of program abuse.
       B: He's just a douche and has nothing better to do.
       C: He's making a memoir of his buddies exploits.
       D: He just wishes he wasn't impotent so he could get in on all the action.

And I really love the tactic of putting filthy porn next to anything you don't want people to read. Ahhh, the eternal sickness of an immoral mind...
Do you think they send these program pushers to some kind of demented propaganda school ... Or is it just bad genes?

A,B and D.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Re: Why Do Programs Abuse Children?
« on: November 03, 2010, 07:15:54 AM »
Quote from: "Shadyacres"
Also, the main problem is often not with the kid at all, but with the parents

I have seen this as well.  The majority of kids, in my experience, were placed into programs largely because of the parents' inability or unwillingness (mostly the latter) to parent their own children properly.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Dangerous Residents, Untrained Staff
« on: November 03, 2010, 07:11:47 AM »
Ridge Creek School ORS Report excerpt:

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Findings Include:
(1) Review of the record of eighteen year-old Resident #1 on September 9, 2010 revealed that the
agency failed to obtain a criminal background check.
(2) E-mail correspondence with Staff DD on 09/16/2010 at 8:32 am revealed that there were 23
other residents who lived or had lived at the facility since January 1, 2010. Staff DD
acknowledged that criminal background checks had not been obtained on any of these residents.

R 0838 290-2-5-.08(5)(d)9. Recordkeeping. Personnel Records.
SS=D
[Written personnel records] records shall include the following: ...
9. Documentation of orientation and training, including dates of all such training, as required by Rule .08(6)(d) of
these rules; ...
This Requirement is not met as evidenced by:
Based on review of personnel files and staff interview, the agency failed to document orientation
and training in eight of ten files reviewed;


This is typical in programs.  Example after example is exposed year after year.  These places are not changing or getting better.  They're the same as they always have been, as documented over more than thirty years.

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Quote from: "Gonzotherapy"
So I'm new here, I've been sitting back reading posts here for a few weeks now. I have got to chime in on this stuff. As a survivor of one of the roughest programs out there I have a few things that just need to be said. First of all, there are definitely lies and fabrications by some people about the level of abuse and exactly what happened during their incarcerations. I have seen some posts on another topic that I witnessed personally, and the story was complete B.S. I 100% agree that the people out there lying about incidences of abuse need to reign it in and be honest. That being said, without any fabrication these programs are abusive and wrong. At least the one I was in. Judging from the fact that the people who ran my program (Brightway and Paradise Cove) are basically the same people running most of these programs (WWASPS), I don't discount the fact that abuse occurs, rampantly. Here's my issue. If you are a parent out there and you think that an out of control teen, and there are many variations as to what constitutes "out of control", answer me this. What do you think would happen if you hogtied your teen and locked him in a closet for a week, fed him one cup of rice and a cup of water a day, and if he "refused" to cooperate (CAT 4!!!) so you physically assaulted (I mean "restrained") him or her to the point of causing injury, that means even bruising, what do you think would happen to you?

Well, I'll tell you. You would go to Jail! You would not pass go, you would not get a chance to explain to CPS that this is for their own good, your ass would get locked up. So tell me why are these programs allowed to therapeutically abuse? Plain and simple, follow the money trail. If you were a billion dollar parent, you could afford to lobby some legislation to allow you to beat the hell out of your kid whenever you want.

What I'm saying is, at the least these programs are child abusers. My experience, beyond abuse. Fabrications are completely unnecessary, so the survivors out there please be straight shooters, the lies are only going to help the real criminals get away with their crimes.

Res ipsa loquitur

Welcome.  If it hasn't happened already, there is a poster here called "Whooter" who will be along shortly to try to invalidate your experience and discredit you as a person.  Good luck with that.  This thread is about people like him.

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The Ridge Creek School / Hidden Lake Academy / Re: Taylor Hurst
« on: November 02, 2010, 02:04:51 PM »
Exactly how does Whooter become the resident expert about how programs were and are today?  If we are to believe his highly suspect "personal story," Whooter has never seen any program from the inside and has only seen one up close and that was over ten years ago.  What exactly gives Whooter any expertise or experience with programs when he has only seen one over a decade ago?

Now, if you believe as I do that Whooter is intimately involved in the TTI then maybe you can accept that Whooter has insider knowledge and he's just spinning it for profit.  But, if you take him at his word (lol) he knows nothing except what he saw as a parent a decade ago, which is to say, basically nothing.

Quote from: "Whooter"
You have never experienced a program of todays design and therefore have no valid basis for your opinion.

This applies to you, Whooter.  what little experience you have is ten years old already.  You know nothing about what happens in programs today.  Nothing.  Yet you hold yourself out as an expert.  But you know exactly nothing.

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Meet the New Program.  Same as the Old Program.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Re: Why Do Programs Abuse Children?
« on: November 02, 2010, 12:23:15 PM »
It's cheaper and easier than doing things the right way.  That's the simple answer.  Profits will be higher if the program takes Mommy and Daddy's cash and pockets it while hiring unqualified hacks at near minimum wage to "therapize" their kid in the program.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Re: Why do Survivors need to Lie?
« on: October 20, 2010, 12:18:06 PM »
Quote from: "Froderik"
I'm tired of being tormented to hell.

Program people are paper pushing, money grubbing, soulless, conscienceless thieves and liars.

Yes, they are, as exemplified by the previous poster.

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Topic reminder.  

The fact is that Whooter did this awful thing to Anne as way to "punch back" for being caught in a web of lies in another thread.  He attempted to invalidate Anne's experience by calling what happened to her "unprotected sex," but it was actually forcible rape, which he later denied knowing.  It was demonstrated that he indeed knew this and actually made commentary on it before - his previous comments about it were posted.  Pretending he didn't know was the last possible attempt to squirm out of responsibility for his deplorable actions.  Now that has blown up in his face as well and we are back to the beginning.

Below is what Whooter said and did to invalidate Anne.  He still will not say why he feels the need to revictimize/invalidate victims of abuse.  Probably everyone here draws the same conclusion about why he does this: to protect his income stream from the TTI business.  

Quote from: "Watchful Yeoman"
I have been continuously amazed at the lengths pro-program people will go to discredit abuse vicims and smear their character in order to invalidate their personal stories of abuse at programs.

Here's an example of a pro-program poster using this tactic of personal destruction to invalidate the experiences and words of an abuse survivor from one of the most notoriously abusive and harmful programs ever to exist - Straight, Inc.

Quote from: "Whooter"
Quote from: "Anne Bonney"


Fabricated sons.  Plural.  Or fabricated daughter, singular.  Which is it?

Look, Anne, we have already established that you have not been truthful with the readers here on fornits.  You try to make the readers believe that you were this shy little girl prior to going into a program and they turned you into the foul mouthed person that we read about everyday here who blames the program for your lack of education.  You change your story with the wind and lie about the events that occurred in your program to gain attention.

But the truth is that you dropped out of school started drinking and doing drugs.  You got into car accidents and started hanging out with with kids who were ending up in jail.  You were having unsafe sex and your parents didnít want to raise their grandchildren while you figured out your life.  Maybe straight wasnít the best choice, but you were surly at risk and they needed to do something.



...

Anne Bonney has been very open about the abuse she suffered inside and outside Straight, including the horrible fact that she was raped as an underaged girl and was blamed for her own rape by the program staff.  She was a young rape victim not old enough to drive or to know anyone in any jails and she was put into Straight where she was dreadfully abused, as all the kids there were, and revictimized.  Whooter knows this story.  Yet he found it fit to comment on Anne's personal history with disgusting false accusations and sexualized aggression toward her.

What is wrong with sadistic cretins like this?

Quote from: "Watchful Yeoman"
Quote from: "Whooter"
I stand behind my posts.

Quote from: "Watchful Yeoman"
Now I'd like to hear your reasons for posting that Anne Bonney was having unprotected sex as an underaged girl. You know she was raped. Was this rape what you're calling "unprotected sex"? You do realize that your average rapist doesn't ask his victim if she wants to have "protected non-consensual sex," right? I'm curious to hear your reasons why you are taking personal potshots of a sexual nature at a rape victim. That's not cool. Did the admin warn you about this deplorable behavior?

Stand behind your posts like a man.  Why did you do this to a person who has told you several times in the past she was raped and the program staff blamed her for it?

What did the mods say to you about it?

Once more, when confronted with his own ugly words and deeds, Whooter scurries away like a plague rat.

He wants to avoid this, but he should not be allowed.

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You just got caught in a lie.  It's nothing new.  Nobody cares about your excuses.  What you did to Anne is absolutely shameful and you are shameless in your behavior.  You've told so many lies you no longer can keep track of them.  Not my problem.

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