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Facility Question and Answers / Re: Roloffs
« on: August 23, 2010, 04:00:34 PM »
Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
Quote from: "TimScrivener"
The fact that you live in a country that you live in makes it easy to understand your liberal socialist views about corporal punishment.


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Why does it seem that all the religious nuts are extreme [F]rightwingers?  God, guns, country.  'Murica, love it or leave it.  OMG SOSHULISM, SEEKRIT MUSLIN!!!!!!!!!!!!  RUN FER YER LIVES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Why is it that you assign the terms "religious nut" "rightwinger" and lump me into Murica, love it or leave it.  OMG SOSHULISM, SEEKRIT MUSLIN!!!!!!!!!!!!  RUN FER YER LIVES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! crowd? Could it be that you felt personally attack by my use of the term liberal socialist?

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Facility Question and Answers / Re: Roloffs
« on: July 22, 2010, 12:18:44 PM »
Quote from: "anchortraz inmate"
god dude yer an idiot. i saw children beaten with belts, paddled and the precious bible they held so "dearly". i personally was placed in lock up for 3 days in the month of july with no food or drink (i drank the water from the toilet tank). i saw grown men teach children how to get away with raping other children(robert plath was the teacher). i know of 2 anchor boys that were" sent home" to only find out by those 2 boys parents that they never got home nor did their parents have any idea or knowledge of their kid being sent home. i knew the roloff family. lester never abused us when i was in his homes, he was just an old man. maybe i should discuss how i was thrown against a wall by my throat by a staff member named greg blood, why was i attacked you ask, cuz i didnt wake up fast enough. he yanked me out of bed and picked me up by my throat and slammed me up agaiasnt a cinderblock wall. i was in anchortraz from 82 to 85 in corpus christi. let me guess when you were there you spent most of yer time at the canal fishing. oh yes the canal where lighthouse men showed anchor boys what the words "prison rape" meant. i was at the canal once. i didnt even get to spend the nite there. i almost took out my potential rapists eye out with a fishing rod. so yes you are so right there was NEVER ANY KIND OF ABUSE IN THE HOMES. IT WAS LIKE BAND CAMP. i personally want to thank a few of the farm families for their part in keeping me safe and sane. the rest can kiss my ass and a few should consider themselves lucky that i didnt have the resources to find them 10 or 15 years ago. greg blood i hope i still find yer ass!!!!!!

I only want to comment on the two boys you say never got home. Have you considered the possibility that these boys didn't go home because they didn't want to? Maybe they didn't tell their parents they were out of Anchor because they were afraid they would just get sent somewhere else. I just can't believe that you're implying that these boys were killed at Anchor home. Do you really think something like that would happen and it not make national news? And do you not think there would be an investigation into their disappearance? You think someone wouldn't have been arrested and tried?

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Facility Question and Answers / Re: Roloffs
« on: July 22, 2010, 12:12:29 PM »
Quote from: "Oscar"
The present Anchor home is located in Missouri. It moved there from Montana when they were in the process of making tougher regulation. The regulation became a joke, but they didn't know at the time, so they moved into no-regulation land aka Missouri. Call the school fate-based and none care if kids are paddled or Osama himself teach how to wear fashion bomb belts.

Our datasheet for the present home looks like this.

The historical home was located in Texas but they left during the Christian Alamo. Here is our datasheet for that home (Nothing much).

From what you write your stories tell the important message of how dangerous it can be to create a group home or boarding school with the best intentions. How matter how great the place can  be and properly save children from abusive parents etc. it can be destroyed in seconds by just one staff. That's why future efforts to help kids must be done in the community. There are plenty of kids in needs - unfortunately, but we really need to focus on the factors that create problems rather than pulling kids out of the community whenever they end up in a situation caused by the community ifself. It is both cheaper and safer for all involved.

Oscar, you can not speak with any authority as to what did or didn't actually happen at Anchor because you were not there. I I was at the People's Baptist Church ministry and I don't even know all that went on in Anchor. I do resent your reference to Osama and inferring that Roloff's is somehow similar in any way to the terrorist that strap bombs on their self and kill innocent people. The fact that you live in a country that you live in makes it easy to understand your liberal socialist views about corporal punishment. There are innumerable people all over the world that received corporal punishment and never became violent. On the other hand, I believe if you are raised without it you are just as prone if not more prone to violence than people who were raised with it.

Just because you found some information on the different ministries on the internet, definitely does not make you an expert on any of them.

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Open Free for All / Re: "Isolated Incidents"
« on: July 14, 2010, 05:28:50 PM »
This post is an isolated incident.

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Quote from: "DannyB II"
Quote from: "TimScrivener"
It's interesting how quiet it's gotten on this thread. Also interesting that someone changed my password some how on this site. Not sure how that happened. That seems like something only an administrator could do.

What exactly does that mean, "changed your password". I would like to hear more about this, Tim. If you don't mind sharing.

I think it's just me being old and forgetting that I changed it when I signed in on my other computer because I didn't remember it. I had it stored on this one and it kept telling me it was the wrong password. When I went onto my email to check the original password, I typed it in and it didn't work. I have too many different passwords to too many different sites.  Sorry for the paranoid comment.

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It's interesting how quiet it's gotten on this thread. Also interesting that someone changed my password some how on this site. Not sure how that happened. That seems like something only an administrator could do.

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Quote from: "Sininil"
Ok first of all to the person who stated no one told their name. My Name is Gina and I was in Rebekah for almost a year from 81 to June of 82 at which time I graduated and went home.
I agree with the lock up that is true although I was there several times and I never saw any roaches. My experience there was not that bad if you ignored the shove of Christianity down your throat almost all the time. It did not bring me close to the "Lord" in anyway. In fact I have not stepped foot inside of a church since the day I walked out the door.
That being said, there was no abuse going on that I was aware of unless you consider being forced to go to school every day, eating a healthy diet, and being punished for not following the rules abuse. And I don't consider the lockup or paddlings abuse. I had worse paddling's from my grade school principal.
I am in no way a supporter of Roloff's ministry, however those of you yelling about abuse and being made to bathe with chemicals and all of that are really just bitter people with nothing better to do then to make up things that make a bad situation seem worse. And I would be willing to bet you are the same girls who were always in trouble, had no common sense about things and always went on about how when you got out you were going to make up trash stories to get the school closed down.
Well, you got your wish and Rebekah as we knew it is now closed. So why are you still making up trash about people who, while misguided at times, were there simply to try and help all of us where were lost in drugs and worse things?.
The truth is while most of us hated being locked up and being forced to go to school, and eat healthy, we got clean and sober and didn't die on the streets which is where we were headed. If that is the worst thing that ever happened or happens to you in your life then praise be.
I was a "hall walker" until I asked to be removed so I could finish my school work and graduate and get out of there. I heard the whispers in the dark, the plots to tell people lies to get it closed the plans to make up all kinds of foul things. I KNOW what went on there and it was not what you are saying.

To the girl who claims her roommate killed her family.. you are full of crap. Rebekah didn't take in violent girls and if a girl HAD killed her family I doubt even the court would have put her there. If you believe what she told you then your more gullible then most people. Girls in there made up all kinds of crap. I made up my fair share of stories to sound bigger and badder then I ever really was. We all did. But to continue to buy into it at this late date is ludicrous.

Rebekah was not a perfect place, but then no place is. But if your alive to read this and you didn't die of an overdose or get killed by a John in the streets then I say they did their job. Like it or not.
GINA and yes my maiden name was VanMeter I don't care who knows who I am or was. I am not that girl anymore.

Thank you Gina. I was there at that time also. You and I probably know some of the same people. My name is Tim Scrivener. Do you remember Russell White? Mike Moore? How about Janine Wright, or Laurie Sacket? Anyway, I appreciate your honesty.

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Quote from: "Warren"
Hey Paul,

I am on your side!  Sorry if my post pissed you off!  (I was a wee bit drunk when I wrote it!)  I was in Anchor from 1984 to 1986; I know about abuse, firsthand!  I suffered plenty of it, while I was there!
Try being in a Roloff Prison, when you are Pagan, and gay!  (And 13!)  So, yeah, my post was angry.  To think that there are people like Tim and Danny, who would love nothing more than to see a christian version of the Taliban ruling this country....scares me, and pisses me off!
I enjoyed your posts; they asked some very good questions!  Hope to see you back.  Don't think of me as a Moron; I was drunk!  
Warren

Warren, I was there on the farm while you were there. I know there were things that went on in the Anchor home during that time that shouldn't. The first thing I want to ask is, were you open about being gay? I am also interested in who it was that was abusive to you? Perhaps I will recognize some of the names. Were they staff or were they other boys in the homes?

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Quote from: "curioussooz"
Everyone who is/was drunk on the kool-aid thinks it's an ok place Tim.....gotta quit talkin to the brainwashers if you don't want to be brainwashed.  When I was drunk on the kool-aid I thought it was "not so bad" also.  Once you get that shit out of your system you too will see the light.

Is this why you joined the group two weeks ago? So you could follow me around and post your witty comments and try to discredit me? Are you stalking me? Really Sooz, don't you have something better to do? Is it just slow over there in the yahoo group? Or do you really just want me to drink your kool-aid?

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Paul,
You have based your views here on what others are saying. So you have decided to have Faith in their stories. Whatever your opinions of me are, whatever your opinions on religion are, it doesnít change the fact that you have no idea what youíre talking about when it comes to the Roloff Homes. Thatís what this thread is about after all. Letís stay on topic shall we?  You think that by making me out to look bad you can win an argument and discredit anything I have said. You can call me whatever you like, you can make me out to be some evil religious person, but you canít make comments about abuse in this ministry with any authority. You have none. All you have is the intellect that you are so obviously very proud of. Good for you, youíre smart. Use your own head then. Instead of acting on emotions, and  being blinded by your own bias, seek the truth yourself by observation.

If you donít want to do it, if you want to hold to your faith without investigating for yourself thatís up to you. Donít expect me to bow to your will and give into your attempt to intimidate me intellectually. I will question everything here that contradicts what I know to be true. Sorry if it contradicts your heart felt belief system.

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Quote from: "Warren"
Oh goody!

We found more of you!  We are always looking for scurrying little apologists of Roloff!  (Pity; his theocratic insanity did not die with him.  Well, We guess it is up to organizations such as Ours, to stop you!)
First, and foremost, please attempt to use rudimentary English.  We find it appalling that you spit out your bile so poorly!  Perhaps if you used correct spelling, and grammar, it would be easier to digest.
Second, never change your story.  If you say that there was "never" any abuse at the Roloff Homes, don't backtrack and say that you witnessed abuse....Logical, yes?  
(Do you see a pattern here?  I'm trying to save you from Self-Immolation.)
You would have done better to use the Catholic Defense.  

P.S.

I love the infighting that "Danny", "Tim", and "Paul" are engaging in!!!!  They even 'Curse' at each other!  

Let me just say....You minor little fools are the seeds of destruction to all Christianity!   THANK YOU!

It's difficult to respond to someone who addresses three different people in their post. Did you do that on purpose just to avoid a real discussion?

Well, if you are talking to me when you say I  have changed my story, I think you should get YOUR story straight before you jump in there and start posting. But I think it's too late for that.

And to lump Danny, Paul, and myself together as if we had the same views just shows that you don't really know what's going on, Just jumping in so you can vent. Well, that's your prerogative, but you discredit yourself by doing it. I believe people would define you as a troll.

And just for the record, you never saw me use any cursing. Better go back in the thread and start reading things before you start making comments.

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Quote from: "curioussooz"
Quote from: "TimScrivener"
Quote from: "hurrikayne"
My point is darlin' that spell check corrects your spelling, not your usage.  Your pACE education shows you haven't a clue about usage.  Not your fault, it's the slipshod education you received.  Try going to college on that diploma, you'll understand what I mean.

I've BEEN in Jubilee.  I've lived on the farm. I've witnessed Faye Cameron slap girls in the face.  I never heard of a "Cleft of the Rock" program.  I'd LOVE to know more, please do share.  I have friends whose parents were workers, and THEY never were in a "Cleft of the Rock" program.  All your info is hearsay, mine is firsthand.

I'd put a ACE Christian Educated Child up against any public school educated child any time. Do some research.

Tim it is obvious from your own use of grammar that you MUST be ACE educated.......

Another personal attack from you? Well, you're wrong. I didn't go to an ACE school.

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Quote from: "DannyB II"
Quote from: "Paul St. John"
Quote from: "TimScrivener"
Quote from: "Paul St. John"
The one and only god... He can do just about anything..

so why not let him fight his own battles there, Tim?


Paul

That's an easy one Paul. Because He gave me the job.


I think you'd be an easy one, Tim.

I could probably destroy the structures of your current view of life and reality, with in a day.  That would be kinda like taking you out of your warm
cozy cabin, where the self-righteous servants of god board, and dropping you into a tub of ice water.  
The shock from something like that could kill ya, though.

I could, also, get into a mild debate with you, and ease you out of your delusions, gradually.

I don't have the heart for the first option, and I don t have the time and desire for the second.

So I'm just gonna walk away from this one.

But do me one favor.  Let these people have their healing.  Don't tell them that there experiences are not real.  What they are doing is very difficult. What you are doing is very easy.  When you are working for god, is he not working for you.  (giving you an identity.. giving you direction.. giving you justifications.. on.. and on... and on))

You represent the blind mentality that is responsible for the pain and suffering that these people have endured.


Paul St. John

PS Something tells me this will not be our last exchange Tim.
Just remember I warned ya.  If I have to render you impotent, I will.
God will not be able to save you.
Know when you are beaten. History has had enough martyrs, but  If you must inflict pain on somebody, inflict it on yourself. That is the lesser evil.

Or if you really wanna do the right thing, give yourself a chance at working for you, and start asking questions.


Tim,
There will be folks like Paul, Ursus and Anne that come around sniffing and scratching at your foundation, I don't think you need to hear this from me. I just would like to say is stay strong as you are and know that not everyone here is as narcissistic as they are.
I have a idea of what there agenda is, I used to have the same ideology but I stopped maybe 2 months ago, when I witnessed a post by another member who crucified a new poster and these three sat back and applauded the abuse. This is when I realized I do not have anything in common with them nor do I want to. In their quest to get their message out they really don't care who they "Inculcate".
Tim I may not agree with your message or part of your message but I do believe you have a inherent right, "To Have It".
They have no boundaries as to what they will attack, now were going after someones spirituality/religion.
Yes Anne, I realize that is the crux of your argument concerning Tim and his association with Roloffs but have you no respect for a persons personal beliefs.
Anyway I can only hope for the best for everyone here, play fair.
Everyone who believes in God also believes they are responsible to pass his message on. At least this is what I have been told.

Thank you Danny. I am not personally effected by the attacks of people I encounter on the internet. I agree that everyone has a right to post their opinion here. I'm not really trying to change opinions as much as I am hoping to get people to not accept everything they read here as true. Just because some people have a valid claim of abuse, doesn't mean that everything that everyone says bad is true.

My main desire is that people will know that The Roloff Homes are not a cult and they are truly there to help people. Some people that have been there in the past may have done some bad things, but that doesn't change the fact the good things are done there and that thousands of people have gotten help over the years it has been here.

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Quote from: "Paul St. John"
Quote from: "TimScrivener"
Quote from: "Paul St. John"
The one and only god... He can do just about anything..

so why not let him fight his own battles there, Tim?


Paul

That's an easy one Paul. Because He gave me the job.


I think you'd be an easy one, Tim.

I could probably destroy the structures of your current view of life and reality, with in a day.  That would be kinda like taking you out of your warm
cozy cabin, where the self-righteous servants of god board, and dropping you into a tub of ice water.  
The shock from something like that could kill ya, though.

I could, also, get into a mild debate with you, and ease you out of your delusions, gradually.

I don't have the heart for the first option, and I don t have the time and desire for the second.

So I'm just gonna walk away from this one.

But do me one favor.  Let these people have their healing.  Don't tell them that there experiences are not real.  What they are doing is very difficult. What you are doing is very easy.  When you are working for god, is he not working for you.  (giving you an identity.. giving you direction.. giving you justifications.. on.. and on... and on))

You represent the blind mentality that is responsible for the pain and suffering that these people have endured.


Paul St. John

PS Something tells me this will not be our last exchange Tim.
Just remember I warned ya.  If I have to render you impotent, I will.
God will not be able to save you.
Know when you are beaten. History has had enough martyrs, but  If you must inflict pain on somebody, inflict it on yourself. That is the lesser evil.

Or if you really wanna do the right thing, give yourself a chance at working for you, and start asking questions.

I find it ironic that with one post you tell me my beliefs are delusional and then tell me to let people hold on to their beliefs.

I'm not inflicting pain on anyone. I have not personally attacked people as I have been personally attack.

Your post is very arrogant. You assume that I haven't heard any of the things you think you can tell me that would crush my beliefs. But we're not talking about religious beliefs on this forum are we? We're talking about people who claim they were abused. I have already admitted that it has happened in some isolated cases in the Roloff homes. I have also explained that it was by people not acting in accordance to any established policy of the ministry. I am here now, and have been here for many years during different times in the past. I know what I know, you just assume that you know. You assume based on the testimony of others. Here's what I propose Paul. Instead of blindly believing what your told, (which is what you believe I am doing) check it out for yourself, come down to Corpus Christi Texas and pay a little visit. Go on a tour, ask the people in the homes questions. I dare you. Then come back to me and debate me about the validity of the claims that I have called into question here.

I have a suggestion for you. Before you go claiming that I'm self righteous, learn what it means to remove the beam from your own eye before you remove the sliver from mine.

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Quote from: "Paul St. John"
The one and only god... He can do just about anything..

so why not let him fight his own battles there, Tim?


Paul

That's an easy one Paul. Because He gave me the job.

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