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The Troubled Teen Industry / Re: Survey of Survivor Testimony
« on: August 03, 2010, 01:59:46 AM »
No one here is "anti treatment." Survivors are "anti" private citizens abetting and perpetrating the rendition and extralegal imprisonment of other citizens. That action is criminal, violative, torturous, oppressive. It's the opposite of "treatment" which is, in ideal, empowering, dignifying, assisting. Cultists purposely seek to confuse the idea of "treatment" with the infliction of suffering and human rights violations, and use the word "treatment" to descibe the criminal consiparcy described above. Survivors are not confused about the difference nor are decent human beings.

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Facility Question and Answers / Morgan G. Read this NOW! Emergency!
« on: July 15, 2010, 12:00:52 AM »
Moderators, Che and Ursus: as moderators of this forum, please keep this thread free from interruption by trolls Who, Suck it/Pile of Shit, and from all thread derailing postings. Thank you!



MORGAN, TELL ME IF YOU UNDERSTAND THE FOLLOWING, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK YOU DO:

Once you get to Academy at Sisters, or once you are "escorted" to Academy at Sisters, you will NOT BE ALLOWED TO LEAVE.

You will be physically prevented from leaving.

DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT?

You are walking into a prison which you will NOT be able to leave of your own accord.
You will be PHYSICALLY prevented from escaping through means of retraint, guards, locks, and any other number of coercive means. Eventually, (very possibly) you will be not be able to leave because of psychological damage.

You can be kept as there as long as your parents want you there, FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE, possibly.

But, at least, and without any need for legal finagling, until you are 18.

DO YOU UNDERSTAND THIS?

Violence will be used to force you to participate in acts you do not want to?
DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT?

Violence will be used to prevent you from contacting the wider world to report abuse or request help?
DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT?

I continue to read you write that if you don't like something you will not participate in it, and if you don't wish to say something, you will not do so?
DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT ONCE YOU GET THERE VIOLENCE WILL BE USED TO FORCE YOU TO DO WHAT YOU ARE ORDERED, AND REFUSING IS NOT AN OPTION?

Please respond!!
thanks

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Aspen Education Group / Re: Aspen Ranch - Aspen Education's Systematic Child Abuse
« on: July 14, 2010, 11:18:08 PM »
Quote from: "Whooter"
Quote from: "Ursus"
Quote from: "Whooter"
Quote from: "Dysfunction Junction"
Shocking report by Oregon state authorities detailing systematic child abuse by Aspen Education

 :eek:  :poison:

search the report for the words "abused" , "Abuse" or "100%" and nothing comes up.  You must be talking about another document.
This showed up on the first page; I didn't even get any further:

    Findings:

    DHS finds that 8 allegations of abuse are substantiated against MBA and one allegation of abuse is substantiated against the Executive Director of MBA in violation of OAR 407-045-0820(1)(f), (g) and (h). Moreover, DHS finds that MBA is in violation of the following licensing rules: OAR 413-215-0076; OAR 413-215-0606; OAR 413-215-0681; OAR 413-215-0051; OAR 413-215-0676; OAR 413-215-00651; OAR 413-215-0661; OAR 413-215-0681; OAR 413-215-0056; OAR 413-215-0021; and OAR 413-215-0046.

    DHS finds that MBA's abuse and neglect of students and violations of the licensing rules described below, establishes that MBA poses a serious danger to public health or safety, that conditions exist that immediately endanger the health or safety of children at MBA and that MBA should not be permitted to continue operating as a therapeutic boarding school for children and should immediately discontinue providing therapeutic, educational and residential services as follows...    [/list]


    Thanks Ursus, I read the report and the allegations are awful at best.  But here is what is being disputed:

    Quote from: "Dysfunction Junction"
    Oregon authorities closed an Aspen Education program, Mount Bachelor Academy (the "sister school" of the Academy at Swift River), citing an abuse rate of "100%" concluding in their investigation that the children were subjected to "ritualized sexual abuse" at the hands of the staff and at least one child was raped with the rape going unreported to the authorities, a crime in and of itself.

    Think about it. Authorities, not some "Fornits poster extremist," published this in their report - 100% of children were abused by MBA. This same "program" is run at all Aspen Education facilities. They abuse thousands of children, by legal definition, as charged by state authorites. And that's just one company.

    I have asked for these quotes he posted to be linked to some sort of report but he keeps running off.  I am willing to wait and not jump to judgment.  If you find anything in this area I would appreciate you posting it.  I would just like to have them for my archives and for reference.



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    Indeed, the report conveys 100% of “students” at Mount Bachelor Academy were subject to abuse as the policies of MBA were abuse under Oregon law.


    http://www.cafety.org/images/stories/do ... n_2009.pdf

    “”MBA violated OAR in that MBA required students in an emotional growth curriculum included but not limited to the lifesteps program that was punitive humiliating degrading and traumatizing[/u]

    “”The emotional growth curriculum included but was not limited to sexual role play in front of staff and peers requiring students to say derogatory phrases about themselves in front of staff and peers requiring students to reenact past physical abuse in front of staff and peers permitting staff to engage in the usage of derogatory names phrases and ridicule of students and deprivation of sleep….

    All students were required to participate in the lifesteps program and other emotional growth curriculum.””[/b]

    As ”all students” (captives, really) were required to participate in the “emotional growth” curriculum and “all students” were exposed to MBA policies, that's a 100% abuse rate, according to the report.


    But, really, keep denying the black and white. That merely keeps the state’s findings (not mere "allegations") that MBA subjected teens to ritualized sexual abuse and a myriad other torments at the top of the forum with tons of hits. Your deceptiveness showcases the deceptive nature of the Aspen Education Group Cult.

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    The Troubled Teen Industry / Re: Looks like somebody posted Morgan's parents to ED
    « on: July 12, 2010, 04:40:47 PM »
    As you well know,  the links go to Deperatment of health findings, articles, lawsuits, the Goverment of Accountability Office, etc, and are parked at organizations dedicated to protecting teens from human rights violations.

    (Watch the GAO investigation into torture and imprisonment at "specitality schools." BTW
    http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p ... 8FEE00F28F)


    Similarly, Amnesty international parks articles, lawsuits, criminal investigation findings relating to human rights violations. The "fringe groups" you describe are no more fringe than amnesty internation, though that's a subjective opinion

    But that's clear to anyone who follows the links. This John David Reuben (they say) character that calls itslf Whooter really doesn't want you (reader) to do that.

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    The Troubled Teen Industry / Re: Looks like somebody posted Morgan's parents to ED
    « on: July 12, 2010, 04:07:43 PM »
    Quote from: "Whooter"
    Cult, Prisons, kidnapping and Gulag should tip the reader off that the person represents a fringe hate group.  

    Like most boarding schools they expect you to adhere to the rules otherwise your parents are called and you get sent home (no refund is given back).  Many of the posters here can actually put you in more danger than any program.  Programs keep your identity safe and would not never post your personal information publicly like many do here.  

    Programs are highly structured and have a predetermined beginning and end point.  If a child works hard they can accomplish a lot and get a lot out of it.  Many posters here did not do well in their program and therefore have a very negative opinion against them.



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    Quote from: "Whooter"
    Cult, Prisons, kidnapping and Gulag should tip the reader off that the person represents a fringe hate group.  

    Like most boarding schools they expect you to adhere to the rules otherwise your parents are called and you get sent home (no refund is given back).  Many of the posters here can actually put you in more danger than any program.  Programs keep your identity safe and would not never post your personal information publicly like many do here.  

    Programs are highly structured and have a predetermined beginning and end point.  If a child works hard they can accomplish a lot and get a lot out of it.  Many posters here did not do well in their program and therefore have a very negative opinion against them.



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    http://www.nospank.net/labi.htm
    http://www.wwaspsinfo.net/
    http://www.teenadvocatesusa.org/FrontPage.html

    The above describes kidanpping. Any "boarding school" that uses thugs who use violence or threat of violence to force human beings into thier facility are gulags, and will use violence to prevent escape as well as to acheive capture. The links provide you with material to read about methods used to prevent escape of the prisoners. TheWho understands that teens are kept prisoner in these facitilites. Its frightening to theink how deceptive such an entity is capable of being, especiailly considering he has a "fiduciary interest" in Aspen.


    After kidnap, while being held prisoner without opprotuinity to contact the wider world, that's when the additional torture starts. Every once in a while the state will conduct a fair investiagtion and shut down the gulags, but all too rarely. Follow the link to read about the state's investigation into Mount Bachelor Academy, an Aspen Education Group gulag:

    http://www.cafety.org/solutions-and-suc ... my-closing


    "Investigators eported that all students at MBA were required to participate in "emotional growth" workshops, called Lifesteps, which included activities that were coercive, intimidating and humiliating -- including sexualized role play and reenactment of past traumatic events, such as prior physical or sexual abuse.

    While the initial reports described concerns about Lifesteps, the investigation ultimately revealed serious safety concerns about MBA's curriculum and program as a whole. The experience of the five students was consistent with that of other children enrolled at the school. The report concluded that the experiences of "these five youth are exemplars of the program's treatment of its students as a whole."

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    The Troubled Teen Industry / Re: Looks like somebody posted Morgan's parents to ED
    « on: July 12, 2010, 03:53:55 PM »
    Quote from: "Oscar"
    Quote from: "DannyB II"

    Here we go again another extremist making shit up from other programs from years ago that were essentially isolated incidents. Bravo so happy you still have your diary from 30 years ago till now.
    Ya know I think if you post this larger it may just work.
    Thanks for the "Troll" down memory lane.
    Our contacts on various message boards are trying to contact survivors from the Academy, but have not been successful yet. It very much depends on the program. What do you think would happen if a teenager walks off the campus of existing programs like Turn-about Ranch, Island View or Red River Academy?

    The teenager will be restrained. Because we don't know anything about the Academy at Sisters, we don't know what is going on a the Lodge Campus beside that it is isolated and the daily schedule is strict in order to get the girls to bite into the program. The "nice" Read Campus which the parents tour may have ASR-like rules, but the Lodge Campus sounds like Roundy at Turn-about Ranch.


    Quote from: "DannyB II"
    Quote from: "kleenex"
    Quote from: "Whooter"
    Quote from: "kleenex"
    MORGAN TELL ME IF YOU UNDERSTAND THE FOLLOWING, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK YOU DO:

    Once you get to Academy at Sisters, or once you are "escorted" to Academy at Sisters, you will NOT BE ALLOWED TO LEAVE.

    You will be physically prevented from leaving.

    Do you understand that?

    You are walking into a prison which you will not be able to leave of your own accord.
    You will be physically prevented from escaping through retraints, guarding, locks, and any other number of means. Eventually, (very possibly) you will be not be able to leave because of psychological damage.

    You can be kept as there as long as your parents want you there, FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE, possibly.

    But, at least, and without any need for legal finangaling, until you are 18.

    DO YOU UNDERSTAND THIS?

    If a child breaks a few of their rules or tries to run away more than once then he/she will be sent home.  The place isnt  a prison.  If you look at the length of time the other students stay you will see it is between 12 and 16 months.  I would not feed Morgan all this false information or try to scare her, it just isnt right, Kleenex.  Everyone should be trying to help Morgan take advantage of this place and work it to her own advantage instead of fighting against it.  She is really getting some bad advice here imo.



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    Quote from: "Whooter"
    Quote from: "kleenex"
    MORGAN TELL ME IF YOU UNDERSTAND THE FOLLOWING, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK YOU DO:

    Once you get to Academy at Sisters, or once you are "escorted" to Academy at Sisters, you will NOT BE ALLOWED TO LEAVE.

    You will be physically prevented from leaving.

    Do you understand that?

    You are walking into a prison which you will not be able to leave of your own accord.
    You will be physically prevented from escaping through retraints, guarding, locks, and any other number of means. Eventually, (very possibly) you will be not be able to leave because of psychological damage.

    You can be kept as there as long as your parents want you there, FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE, possibly.

    But, at least, and without any need for legal finangaling, until you are 18.

    DO YOU UNDERSTAND THIS?

    If a child breaks a few of their rules or tries to run away more than once then he/she will be sent home.  The place isnt  a prison.  If you look at the length of time the other students stay you will see it is between 12 and 16 months.  I would not feed Morgan all this false information or try to scare her, it just isnt right, Kleenex.  Everyone should be trying to help Morgan take advantage of this place and work it to her own advantage instead of fighting against it.  She is really getting some bad advice here imo.



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    Nope. They're prisons. Well, more along the lines of "gulags."  Prisons incarcerate people who've actually been convicted of crimes and sentanced. In the gulags discussed on fornits, like the Aspen Education Group Cult, WWASP, CEDU, Elan, Straight, etc., violence is used to prevent peoples' escape who have not been convicted of anything. In function, though not in fairness or legality, they're prisons. Any organization that uses "escorts," proffesional kidnappers, should be understood to be a gulag.

    Sound too crazy too be true?
    A little something to start ya' out...

    http://www.wwaspsinfo.net/
    http://www.legalaffairs.org/issues/July ... laug04.msp
    http://www.websupp.org/data/EDTX/9:04-c ... 3-EDTX.pdf
    http://www.thefreelibrary.com/The+troub ... 0156363029
    http://www.nospank.net/n-c23.htm

    Academy at Swift River and SUWS also uses violence and other coercive measures to prevent victims from escaping, despite what the Aspen Education Group Troll says.


    Here we go again another extremist making shit up from other programs from years ago that were essentially isolated incidents. Bravo so happy you still have your diary from 30 years ago till now.
    Ya know I think if you post this larger it may just work.
    Thanks for the "Troll" down memory lane.


    You are uneducated. Staight closed in 1994 and it remains open under another name.  The rest of the above programs named are open (even though CEDU's official ownership was transferred) including the one you were in, Elan. How could you not know that? The point of my list was to give insight into the legacy and pattern of kidnap and imprisonment.

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    The Troubled Teen Industry / Re: Looks like somebody posted Morgan's parents to ED
    « on: July 12, 2010, 03:41:08 PM »
    MORGAN TELL ME IF YOU UNDERSTAND THE FOLLOWING, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK YOU DO:

    Once you get to Academy at Sisters, or once you are "escorted" to Academy at Sisters, you will NOT BE ALLOWED TO LEAVE.

    You will be physically prevented from leaving.

    Do you understand that?

    You are walking into a prison which you will not be able to leave of your own accord.
    You will be physically prevented from escaping through retraints, guarding, locks, and any other number of means. Eventually, (very possibly) you will be not be able to leave because of psychological damage.

    You can be kept as there as long as your parents want you there, FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE, possibly.

    But, at least, and without any need for legal finangaling, until you are 18.

    DO YOU UNDERSTAND THIS?
    DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO GET TO A PHONE TO CALL FOR HELP?
    DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT EVERYTHING THEY DEMAND YOU DO WILL BE ENFORCED THROUGH VIOLENCE?

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    The Troubled Teen Industry / Re: Looks like somebody posted Morgan's parents to ED
    « on: July 12, 2010, 03:30:00 PM »
    Quote from: "Whooter"
    Quote from: "kleenex"
    MORGAN TELL ME IF YOU UNDERSTAND THE FOLLOWING, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK YOU DO:

    Once you get to Academy at Sisters, or once you are "escorted" to Academy at Sisters, you will NOT BE ALLOWED TO LEAVE.

    You will be physically prevented from leaving.

    Do you understand that?

    You are walking into a prison which you will not be able to leave of your own accord.
    You will be physically prevented from escaping through retraints, guarding, locks, and any other number of means. Eventually, (very possibly) you will be not be able to leave because of psychological damage.

    You can be kept as there as long as your parents want you there, FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE, possibly.

    But, at least, and without any need for legal finangaling, until you are 18.

    DO YOU UNDERSTAND THIS?

    If a child breaks a few of their rules or tries to run away more than once then he/she will be sent home.  The place isnt  a prison.  If you look at the length of time the other students stay you will see it is between 12 and 16 months.  I would not feed Morgan all this false information or try to scare her, it just isnt right, Kleenex.  Everyone should be trying to help Morgan take advantage of this place and work it to her own advantage instead of fighting against it.  She is really getting some bad advice here imo.



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    Quote from: "Whooter"
    Quote from: "kleenex"
    MORGAN TELL ME IF YOU UNDERSTAND THE FOLLOWING, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK YOU DO:

    Once you get to Academy at Sisters, or once you are "escorted" to Academy at Sisters, you will NOT BE ALLOWED TO LEAVE.

    You will be physically prevented from leaving.

    Do you understand that?

    You are walking into a prison which you will not be able to leave of your own accord.
    You will be physically prevented from escaping through retraints, guarding, locks, and any other number of means. Eventually, (very possibly) you will be not be able to leave because of psychological damage.

    You can be kept as there as long as your parents want you there, FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE, possibly.

    But, at least, and without any need for legal finangaling, until you are 18.

    DO YOU UNDERSTAND THIS?

    If a child breaks a few of their rules or tries to run away more than once then he/she will be sent home.  The place isnt  a prison.  If you look at the length of time the other students stay you will see it is between 12 and 16 months.  I would not feed Morgan all this false information or try to scare her, it just isnt right, Kleenex.  Everyone should be trying to help Morgan take advantage of this place and work it to her own advantage instead of fighting against it.  She is really getting some bad advice here imo.



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    Nope. They're prisons. Well, more along the lines of "gulags."  Prisons incarcerate people who've actually been convicted of crimes and sentanced.

    In the gulags discussed on fornits, lAspen Education Group Cult, WWASP, CEDU, Elan, Straight, etc., violence is used to prevent peoples' escape who've not been convicted of anything. In function, though not in fairness or legality, they're prisons. Any organization that uses "escorts," proffesional kidnappers, should be understood to be a gulag.

    Sound too crazy too be true?
    A little something to start ya' out...

    http://www.wwaspsinfo.net/
    http://www.legalaffairs.org/issues/July ... laug04.msp
    http://www.websupp.org/data/EDTX/9:04-c ... 3-EDTX.pdf
    http://www.thefreelibrary.com/The+troub ... 0156363029
    http://www.nospank.net/n-c23.htm

    Academy at Swift River and SUWS also uses violence and other coercive measures to prevent victims from escaping, contrary to commentary from "whooter" the Aspen Education Group Troll.

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    The Troubled Teen Industry / Re: Looks like somebody posted Morgan's parents to ED
    « on: July 12, 2010, 02:21:42 PM »
    MORGAN TELL ME IF YOU UNDERSTAND THE FOLLOWING, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK YOU DO:

    Once you get to Academy at Sisters, or once you are "escorted" to Academy at Sisters, you will NOT BE ALLOWED TO LEAVE.

    You will be physically prevented from leaving.

    Do you understand that?

    You are walking into a prison which you will not be able to leave of your own accord.
    You will be physically prevented from escaping through retraints, guarding, locks, and any other number of means. Eventually, (very possibly) you will be not be able to leave because of psychological damage.

    You can be kept as there as long as your parents want you there, FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE, possibly.

    But, at least, and without any need for legal finangaling, until you are 18.

    DO YOU UNDERSTAND THIS?

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    The Troubled Teen Industry / Re: Academy at Sisters
    « on: July 12, 2010, 02:20:31 PM »
    Quote from: "MorganMDC"
    Quote from: "Oscar"
    Morgan should have been entitled to privacy until she decide otherwise. She is the only one who is at risk of loosing her human right to live in freedom. Not what we may believe is right, it is her future and no one elses.
    I didn't think privacy before the program was going to be an issue.
    I suppose I thought wrong.

    Quote from: "Nihilanthic"
    :jawdrop: http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Daniel_Gauss :jawdrop:

    Who could have done such a thing?
    This is sick.
    Just sick.
    Whomever decided this was a good idea was a fucking idiot.
    I am not blind to things, however I wished I would've never had the misfortune of reading this.
    What was this meant to accomplish?
    Well, I hope it did.

    MORGAN TELL ME IF YOU UNDERSTAND THE FOLLOWING, BECAUSE I DONT THINK YOU DO:

    Once you get to Academy at Sisters, or once you are "escorted" to Academy at Sisters, you will NOT BE ALLOWED TO LEAVE.

    You will be physically prevented from leaving.

    Do you understand that?

    You are walking into a prison which you will not be able to leave of your own accord.
    You will be physically prevented from escaping through retraints, guarding, locks, and any other number of means. Eventually, (very possibly) you will be not be able to leave because of psychological damage.

    You can be kept as there as long as your parents want you there, FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE, possibly.

    But, at least, and without any need for legal finangaling, until you are 18.

    DO YOU UNDERSTAND THIS?

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    The Troubled Teen Industry / Re: Looks like somebody posted Morgan's parents to ED
    « on: July 12, 2010, 12:13:21 AM »
    That's a pretty amazing entry...

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    The Troubled Teen Industry / Re: How to really survive a treatment program
    « on: July 12, 2010, 12:12:19 AM »
    Mr. Awake, I suspect Danny's "game" involves having had his feelings hurt by some fornits posters and responding to that hurt by going on a crusade to protect fornits trolls (who actively promote kidnapping and imprisoning/abusing teenagers, something he claims to gravely oppose) from what he percieves as meaness similar to that which he encountered. Obviously, a fantastic, rational use of his free time!

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