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The Troubled Teen Industry / Anchor Academy for Boys in Havre, Montana.
« on: October 28, 2005, 02:50:00 AM »
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The Troubled Teen Industry / Anchor Academy for Boys in Havre, Montana.
« on: October 21, 2005, 11:20:00 AM »
I had said I was not going to post here again, it is a futile effort. But I must answer this post. Overlord is the one who contacted me to read this posts and I answered on my own. The inference that Anchor Academy put me up to this is unfounded. Second, I don't know Deniis McElrath. I can't defend him or curse him because I don't know him. He has a good Mom and a good aunt is all I know. I also know, now that he has been connected to some abusive homes.
What I do see is that once you are even identified in any way with some group that this forum is attacking you turn the tables and start to attack the person or persons who even try and defend wrong judgement. All I have said in this entire forum is to not judge Anchor without facts and mere suspision or afiliation.
What I do see is that once you are even identified in any way with some group that this forum is attacking you turn the tables and start to attack the person or persons who even try and defend wrong judgement. All I have said in this entire forum is to not judge Anchor without facts and mere suspision or afiliation.
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The Troubled Teen Industry / Turning the tide
« on: October 19, 2005, 10:08:00 PM »
I can see that there is no use trying to reason with some of you. We have turned the tide from questioning Anchor to questioning anyone or anything. I will continue to investigate/question those at Anchor, not for your sake but for the sake of those who are students there. I will not back off of what I think is right or what is right.
I see little point in continuing the discussions I have had with most of you as you are masters at turning things around. I don't have the time to harrange with you or try and change you. I did think at the beginning you were really searching for truth, but I really don't think so any longer. You would say the same about me, but that is not true. I tell you what I believe and will do, but you don't really care, it seems. You have your own agenda.
Goodbye, it has been good to know some of you and I think I am better because of it. At least I am aware of your concerns and I will have my eyes more open because of this. [ This Message was edited by: Pastor on 2005-10-19 19:09 ]
I see little point in continuing the discussions I have had with most of you as you are masters at turning things around. I don't have the time to harrange with you or try and change you. I did think at the beginning you were really searching for truth, but I really don't think so any longer. You would say the same about me, but that is not true. I tell you what I believe and will do, but you don't really care, it seems. You have your own agenda.
Goodbye, it has been good to know some of you and I think I am better because of it. At least I am aware of your concerns and I will have my eyes more open because of this. [ This Message was edited by: Pastor on 2005-10-19 19:09 ]
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The Troubled Teen Industry / Anchor Academy for Boys in Havre, Montana.
« on: October 19, 2005, 08:50:00 PM »
Come on, Pastor. Think. I sort of wish the Baptist church was structured a little more like other mainstream denominations. That way, 'Pastor' would be short hand for a fairly reliable body of education and certification. But, as it is, I have no idea what your background is or your education.
Did you go to some sort of seminary? Have you any formal or informal training in human behavioral science like the Presby pasors usually have?
Antigen wrote: "I'm asking because I just have a hard time understanding how you could be so niave. Unrepentant child abusers jump state and set up yet another facility where they have unrestricted access to more children. And you seem to just take their word for it that they've been cured of their evil ways, even when kids who have been there since the move try to tell you, from their firsthand experience, that this is just not so.
By what formula do you decide to believe the unrepentant child abusers over the abused children? "
It is not just Baptists that are in question here. We are independent to a degree but hopefully we have the sense to police ourselves. Don't turn the tables and start to question anyone that questions your view. Right is right and wrong is wrong, no matter who or what. Truth is also truth and so is slander, slander.
Did you go to some sort of seminary? Have you any formal or informal training in human behavioral science like the Presby pasors usually have?
Antigen wrote: "I'm asking because I just have a hard time understanding how you could be so niave. Unrepentant child abusers jump state and set up yet another facility where they have unrestricted access to more children. And you seem to just take their word for it that they've been cured of their evil ways, even when kids who have been there since the move try to tell you, from their firsthand experience, that this is just not so.
By what formula do you decide to believe the unrepentant child abusers over the abused children? "
It is not just Baptists that are in question here. We are independent to a degree but hopefully we have the sense to police ourselves. Don't turn the tables and start to question anyone that questions your view. Right is right and wrong is wrong, no matter who or what. Truth is also truth and so is slander, slander.
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The Troubled Teen Industry / Anchor Academy for Boys in Havre, Montana.
« on: October 19, 2005, 08:45:00 PM »
"Key points--it IS a branch of the Roloff ministries!
Montana's lack of autority to regulate such schools.
Are you just choosing to ignore these key points?"
No, I am not igonoring those points. Have you ever tried to run a program under the juridiction of state regulations? You who post on this site agree that state institutions are not safe either so we don't want to get into that. There are some things that state government regulations are so strict on you can't afford to do them. So, Montana has a lesser control. That certainly doesn't mean that Anchor is doing wrong. If they are, then it will be found out and they will be shut down. Found out, it the questions. What does that mean? Found out in my opinion is that they are found to be harming the students in abuse or neglect. Discipline and rules are not harming and neglecting. The post from a former Anchor student only infers things and doesn't say anything. I wish he would contact me so I can know if what he is saying was abuse and if so, it needs to be uncovered.
Montana's lack of autority to regulate such schools.
Are you just choosing to ignore these key points?"
No, I am not igonoring those points. Have you ever tried to run a program under the juridiction of state regulations? You who post on this site agree that state institutions are not safe either so we don't want to get into that. There are some things that state government regulations are so strict on you can't afford to do them. So, Montana has a lesser control. That certainly doesn't mean that Anchor is doing wrong. If they are, then it will be found out and they will be shut down. Found out, it the questions. What does that mean? Found out in my opinion is that they are found to be harming the students in abuse or neglect. Discipline and rules are not harming and neglecting. The post from a former Anchor student only infers things and doesn't say anything. I wish he would contact me so I can know if what he is saying was abuse and if so, it needs to be uncovered.
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The Troubled Teen Industry / Anchor Academy for Boys in Havre, Montana.
« on: October 19, 2005, 02:59:00 PM »
"Oh no! Looks like the Corpus Christi Caller Times is in on the conspiracy.
Again, pastor, special place, all just for you and your kind. "
So, what is wrong with this Post in the Helena paper. Who is saying that they lied about anything. The article says they are/were having trouble with the acquisiton of the faciliteis. [ This Message was edited by: Pastor on 2005-10-19 12:00 ]
Again, pastor, special place, all just for you and your kind. "
So, what is wrong with this Post in the Helena paper. Who is saying that they lied about anything. The article says they are/were having trouble with the acquisiton of the faciliteis. [ This Message was edited by: Pastor on 2005-10-19 12:00 ]
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The Troubled Teen Industry / Anchor Academy for Boys in Havre, Montana.
« on: October 14, 2005, 04:17:00 PM »Quote
On 2005-10-14 12:35:00, Antigen wrote:
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On 2005-10-14 05:51:00, Anonymous wrote:
"EVEN IF the Roloff Ministries have a "long and sordid history" of poor treatment of youth -- and this doesn't deny (or affirm) that -- I've not seen any connection here, let alone a clear and continuing connection, between Anchor and the Roloffs. "
Quick, Pastor, cover your eyes!!!
http://www.tsha.utexas.edu/handbook/onl ... froar.html
BTW, this is the VERY FIRST hit if you google roloff anchor.Any priest or shaman must be presumed guilty until proven innocent.
--Robert A. Heinlen, American science-ficiton author
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Seed Chicklett `71 - `80
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Ginger, I didn't write that, but it is okay, I know the connection. So, Not everything that you think is bad, is! What about going and investigating instead of running everything down. Go and see. I would hate to be your enemy. Jesus was attacked because he was connected with sinners. You don't give anyone a chance. I have read all the posts...well at least a lot of them...and I find as many that were helped and speak up,as those that castigate the Roloff ministries. Sure there are churches that are bad, I don't discount all churches, you might. Sure there are programs that are bad, I don't discount all programs, you seem to want to do that. And, I know people, parents, ladies named Ginger and Pastors who are bad, but I don't discount all that have those afiliations. Come on, let's be fair. No, that doesn't seem to be a word that is used![ This Message was edited by: Pastor on 2005-10-14 13:23 ]
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The Troubled Teen Industry / Anchor Academy for Boys in Havre, Montana.
« on: October 14, 2005, 04:07:00 PM »
My answer to you is:
We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark. The real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light.
--Plato
We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark. The real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light.
--Plato
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The Troubled Teen Industry / Anchor Academy for Boys in Havre, Montana.
« on: October 14, 2005, 01:12:00 PM »Quote
On 2005-10-14 01:04:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Quote
On 2005-10-13 21:03:00, Pastor wrote:
"Quote
On 2005-10-13 15:53:00, Antigen wrote:
" But the people who run the place have a long and sordid history.
"
You don't know that to be true!"
No you don't, you are judging a separate organization or group by the actions of another. You are wrong, wrong. You do not know that Anchor Academy has a long and sordid history. How can you be so closed minded and judgemental.
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The Troubled Teen Industry / Anchor Academy for Boys in Havre, Montana.
« on: October 14, 2005, 12:05:00 AM »
DD...I would encourge you to keep considering Anchor Academy. Go there and visit. I will meet you there if that would help. Stick around for awhile and see what you see. Unlike many of the posters here, I think there are good programs out there and that Anchor happens to be one. I further don't think we are dummies that can't view and see and learn what is happening at any program.
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The Troubled Teen Industry / Anchor Academy for Boys in Havre, Montana.
« on: October 14, 2005, 12:03:00 AM »Quote
On 2005-10-13 15:53:00, Antigen wrote:
" But the people who run the place have a long and sordid history.
"
You don't know that to be true!
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The Troubled Teen Industry / Anchor Academy for Boys in Havre, Montana.
« on: October 12, 2005, 08:36:00 PM »
WORD? What does that mean?[ This Message was edited by: Pastor on 2005-10-12 17:36 ]
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The Troubled Teen Industry / Nihilanthic
« on: October 12, 2005, 07:40:00 PM »
Nihilanthic, you don't impress anyone with your foul language or ranting. Putting people down for their opinions or feelings is what we are trying to quit.
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The Troubled Teen Industry / Anchor Academy for Boys in Havre, Montana.
« on: October 11, 2005, 11:56:00 PM »Quote
On 2005-10-11 14:58:00, Dreamy Surf wrote:
"Pastor,
I don't think anyone of us is attacking you here, please don't take it that way. If you are comming here claiming truth, so must many of us. The point of the debate, I think, is to show you there is a MUCH larger picture than you have been trained to see. Believe what you will, but harm none. (this includes teenagers who may be a diffrent example of what you see as healthy growth.)
Be well.
"
Thank you, Dreamy Surf. I agree but let me also say, as I learn what you are saying and what many of these posts are about, please also learn from me that "there might be a good one out there" that needs protecting as well. I never would be so wrong as to not acknowledge that the programs or whatever we call them are in great need of closing down, judgement against etc. but don't kill a good one in your stabbing at the bad ones.
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The Troubled Teen Industry / Anchor Academy for Boys in Havre, Montana.
« on: October 11, 2005, 11:52:00 PM »Quote
On 2005-10-11 13:06:00, OverLordd wrote:
"I love that idea, I really do. The world needs a "looking into." thats something that im going to remember for a long time. Thank you very much that.QuoteWhat would you have these parents do who have rebellious boys or girls. Do you want to follow the Bible principle of the Old Testament and take them out and stone them? Of course not. We try and yes, we fail. I have heard of programs that are failures and do abuse children/youth.
What I really want them to do pastor is to love them. You know as well as I do that love is very powerful and it can do great things. If the parents were good parents then things like this would never happen and you know what I mean. If the parents loved their children then the children would not have to be forced to work for their repemption in the eyes of the parents."
You are right, parents need to love their children. I have read a lot of the posts about the Roloff homes and unquesionably there were some wrongs committed. But there were some who reported nothing but love and help and compassion by some of the people he had working with him. Unfortunatly, something got out of hand and lots of hurt resulted.