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Quote from: "Shadyacres"

This is not lying.  These people are telling the truth AS THEY SEE IT.  At least one of these posters was a parent with no affiliation with any program.  To that parent, their daughters friend was kidnapped and tortured, period.  This, along with your other three examples lends credence to our argument that "escort" is grossly misleading and what is happening to these kids is much closer to most peoples definition of "kidnapping and torture".

Its not misleading if that is what happened to them.  How can it be?  If you were escorted than that is the fact.  If it felt different then the person can explain that but they shouldnt lie.

What if another survivor says he felt like he was abused in his program.  If after we speak to him he says he was forced to sit in a class room all day which to him "AS HE SEES IT" is abusive.  Would this then also have to be considered abuse?

If a guy says he was shot by a terrorist but it turns out to be a hunting accident.  Can he justify his lie by saying he felt terrorized and thought he was going to die?  The fact is that he was not shot by a terrorist.  The same as these kids, the fact is that they were escorted to their school.

A person cannot change the facts because of how they feel.  They can say they got hit by a bus when in fact they got hit by a bicycle just because it felt like a bus.

Spreading lies that you were kidnapped when in fact you were not is just wrong.  The same as if you were saying you were abused when in fact you were just forced to sit in a class room is lying also.



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I fabricated a son

Quote from: "Watchful Yeoman"

I'm going to have to agree with psy here.  This tactic of fabricating entire families, inventing children, making up success stories is very common in program parents and program pushers.  Whooter is a program pusher that pretends to have a family he does not have, nor has he ever had, in order to frame the debate in a way where he can hold out his fictitious story and nonexistent children as "program success stories."  It's dishonest, but it's how he chose to present himself here.  Unfortunately for Whooter, he got caught lying and was forced to admit it, so there's no going back now.  From here out nobody will believe what he says because of this (and many other) enormous lies in which he has been caught.  Let's be honest, if these programs actually worked or produced results, their proponents wouldn't be reduced to inventing their entire family history and fabricating children in order to show the programs work.  They don't work so these people like Whooter have to lie to promote them and make sales.

Yeah, that really is it.  They know programs can't hold up to the scrutiny, so they send in someone to do damage control on the sites that expose their methods.  Or, the person decided (like Sue Scheff and, I believe, Whooter/Reuben) to make some money off of it so they come here to protect their own monetary interest because they know that Fornits has an impact, no matter how much they put it down.  If Fornits wasn't having an impact, they wouldn't feel the need to be here day after day after day after day, making up pretend families and defending and spinning this bullshit.

When faced with an opportunity to be honest and just tell the truth some people will embellish and use words for the purpose of fooling someone into believing something that didnt happen.

I fabricated a son

Quote from: "shaggys"

I use the term brainwashing to describe what happened to me at Straight inc because that is exactly what happened. I was forced to sit in a chair and stare straight ahead for 12 to 18 hours a day. Even moving my eyes away from the wall for a moment would invite harsh confrontation by staff/group. The only movement allowed was to turn your head to face the person speaking. The conversation in group all day long revolved around how awful we were as "druggies" and how only Straight inc could save us from ourselves. I was 15 and had only smoked a little pot and had a few beers in my whole life up to that point. I was taught that i would die, go insane or be locked in jail if I didn't fully commit myself to Straights' dogma. Every aspect of my life was completely controlled - eating, washing, sleeping, speaking, - everything. After month upon month of this I started believing what Straight was telling me. Eventually I believed EVERYTHING they told me.
It is my understanding that many programs today still use Straight-like methods on kids. It is brainwashing and I will continue to use that term to describe it.

This story right here is a embellishment, of course you will move your eyes, every group you were in was not always about you and the focus was not always on drugs.
Listen in case you did not know, it is not Straights fault you only smoked one joint, drank one beer, kissed one girl and stayed out late one night. Some one gave Straight the impression you were a screw-up so you were placed there. Now if you want to blame Straight for the type of treatment you received, fine but take up why you were placed there with the proper folks.
I didn't believe everything Elan told me, I didn't buy into there concepts of treatment and I wasn't brainwashed.

Quote from: "Whooter"

But a big step in getting people to listen is to try and make your story as credible as possible.

Quote from: "Whooter"

I fabricated a son

 

I fabricated a son