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but the lawsuit was specifically pertaining to what kelly is alleged to have done. So it seems perfectly reasonable to "retire" him for without him there would be no problem. Any company or organization would do the same. This still does not prove that children attend boystown without informed consent or that the day to day methods that the school use are abusive or harmful. It just suggests that 1 guy probably molested some boys and the school handled it badly. By those stnadards you would advocate nearly every catholic school and or parish older than about 10 years be shut down. Also many secular orgainizations like the Boy Scouts who have at any point in the past dealt with abuse allegations unprofessionally.

i guess this is no longer just a discussion on boystown, more about the law in general but to me the argument of oh well the law can be an ass sometimes is not good enough when it comes to prosecuting people. If repressed memory therapy is considered a crock by the mental health establishment it has absolutely no place in a court room. Particularly when the alleged crime took place over 30 years ago. There is little to no evidence that trauma victims remember nothing. If anything the common symptoms of trauma related mental illness like ptsd include regular flash backs. Good therapy can help people come to terms with the bad memories and even piece together what happened but not "uncover" stuff that they simply dont recall

that was an interesting article. While particularly focused on the Catholic church because it is possilby the most openly patrichal and "boysclubby" of the christian churches, I think this dichotomy is shared by a lot of christian churches. I can remember here the first hospice for people with HIV and aids was a hospital run by the sisters of ST Vincent. Many other churches also have legitimate welfare arms which help with unconditional love and compassion the people that the rest of society turn their back on while having the most draconian internal practices. I know that while I only ever darken the doorstop of any church for somebody else's wedding or Christening I also have taken from a Catholic education a strong belief in  social justice.
In relation to the Boys town discussion it remains to be seen for me whether Ursuses suspicion, that it is in fact a draconian way of growing the numbers of the catholic boys club is correct or if it is providing a legitimate social service to families and children that seek it's help.

isnt spamming a legitimate discussion with a clear program advertisement like this against the new forum rules? Psy?

I get your point and I think that in this industry it can sometimes be a dangerously fine line. Particularly when religion gets thrown into the mix. Any regular boarding school in some ways makes students more vulnerable to abuse than it's day school equivalent in that the students are far from home and in a somewhat institutionalized environment. I appreciate that this concern is greater when the student population is a vulnerable or at risk group.
But by your logic just about any mainstream catholic school day or boarding that ever had a bad parish priest who was quietly "moved on" is inherently abusive. This is where I would disagree. This and the fact that boys town takes only students that agree, in a real sense, that is give informed consent to go. In answer to your question this is where I would draw the line. No by a "unit numbers" approach.
If kids came forward saying that they signed on expecting one sort of institution but the day to day operations were completely different or reported that any other quack therapies were used I would change my mind. Another thing that is making me want more concrete evidence is the fact that boys town as an organization runs all sorts of welfare services for young people globally. Ive not heard any complaints in recent years about their operations.
While i accept that the repressed memory guy was not the only complainant against this  priest, are you not at all sceptical about this as a technique being used in a court? After all it is a pretty crackpot theory. Most respectable doctors and therapists who have worked with traumatized people claim it is a load of rubbish and many of its practitoners also have engaged their patients in other coercive therapies like "holding therapy" that are as mad as most of those used in the industry.

i dont know if this is of any help to you on the "living inside out" thing but the concept is linked to the serenity prayer;
    God, grant me the serenity
    To accept the things I cannot change;
    The courage to change the things that I can;
    And the wisdom to know the difference.
which was origially writen by an american theologan called Reinhold Niebur who was big on the idea that spirituality, in his case Christianity should be practiced more than preached. The concept as you can imagine had been bastardized by everyone from AA to Christian megachurches like Hillsong to various new age orgainzations and has been often secularized by taking the word god out.

you know it is a positive sign that the kid was home for easter. Did you get a chance to as him much about what the program entails?