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Let It Bleed / Re: Stuff you've been listening to
« on: July 29, 2009, 02:33:43 PM »
9353 - To Whom It May Consume

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Let It Bleed / Re: Stuff you've been listening to
« on: July 28, 2009, 12:10:58 PM »
Slickee Boys - Here To Stay

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Re: Peninsula Village SOLD
« on: July 27, 2009, 11:18:44 AM »
So it is true.  If PV has been sold as prime lakefront residential property, I'm ecstatic.  If UHS took over it's bid'ness as usual.  Did they sack you, K?  Or left you hanging in occupational limbo?  PM me if it's not for general consumption.

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Let It Bleed / Guitarist Joe Pass and TTI pre-history
« on: July 01, 2009, 01:47:26 PM »
Joe Pass had a weird beginning as a recording artist.  I can't imagine...

http://http://toomanysoundsunfound.blogspot.com/2006/12/significant-recording-as-this-is-joe.html

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Let It Bleed / Re: Stuff you've been listening to
« on: June 26, 2009, 12:07:34 PM »
Gray Matter - Food For Thought

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Peninsula Village / Re: A Place to Post PV Experiences
« on: May 17, 2009, 04:28:25 PM »
From I Speak of Dreams:

http://lizditz.typepad.com/i_speak_of_d ... 5cf490970c

I was in PV in 2002, and I am still having nightmares. They rank high on the warning lists for abusive program watchout sites. They hated me too. I don't know why. They knew I was turning 18 so at the end they just ignored me, I stayed in the locked unit for 4 months, gained 60 pounds from sitting on a bed and doing nothing.I found out later I had sustained a concussion when they slammed my head into the floor during a restraint so hard I was left with a cut and abrasions across my forehead. Why? I sat up. Thats it. I had been laying on they fllor, they gragged me there, and I sat up, intending to raise my hand and ask to use the restroom, where they would have to examine my shit and piss before I could flush it, a method of humiliation, and was immediatly tackled. I have never had a violent day in my life, never raised a hand to anyone. I had low self esteem, I let men use me and I hated myself. At PV I just wanted to die. They told me one thing- You are an evil person with no concioncse and you are no good, nor ever will be. That was my "focus" for 3 weeks. The only one I ever got. It has taken my thereapist years to undo that damge. I thought I was really a sociopath because I trusted that these people knew the mind and were able to tell what was wrong. Others went off to the cabins- I was finally left alone to sleep no school, no nothing just sleep all day everyday. I did everything alone, staff watched me shower too though. I was also molested by the male gynecologist. I knew nothing I said mattered. He told me right in front of the female nurse in the room, that I had a very nice, muscular vagina, as he fingered me innapropriatly. I know what a gyno feels like- I go yearly. This guy was sick! Also, The drugs they sedated me with made my neck twist around, the muscles would tanse up and I could not contol my head movements. Now I know I am not a sociopath, but that is a huge breakthrough for me. I was so much worse after PV, I almost killed myself, I thought I really was a piece of shit, b/c thats what they told me! I was hospitalized after slashing my wrists and getting them stiched up, the doc said why would you do trhis? You are a sweet and beautiful girl. He laughed and said, no my girl. I am treating you long enough now to tell you that! Your just an addictive personality. Thats all. Now I am clean, through my spriritual ralationship and lots of love and counseling. I am married, and we have 2 sons. I love being a mom- but I still have nightmares about PV. I hope it stops someday. I am trying to forgive them.

Posted by: mckue | Wednesday, March 25, 2009 at 03:57 PM

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The Melting Pot / Disease Mongering Engine
« on: May 12, 2009, 12:47:28 PM »
Create your own junk science quack disorder and turn it into a cash cow!

Disease Mongering Engine

Mine was PDAD:

Persistant Disorganized Anxiety Disorder (PDAD)


PDAD is defined as unstoppable, involuntary emotions and behaviors characterized by a striking inability to locate objects or information that occurs during episodes of extreme mental or emotional stress.


WARNING:  While the disease mongering engine is funny, the people responsible for it are NOT.  Natural News is tight with the Scientology freaks.  So...I wouldn't recommend chasing links off of it or you'll run into the lunacy of L. Ron very quickly.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Mama Liberty Says...
« on: May 11, 2009, 03:20:35 PM »
More from the other side - single parents struggling with the legal system to get their kids OUT of abusive programs. This quote from Mama Liberty:

Quote from: "Mama Liberty"
It is not possible to obtain meaningful informed consent from children who are isolated from family and friends, confined in a facility and subjected to coercive treatment.

BOOSH!

Better listen to Mama, she knows.


http://rights4mothers.blogspot.com/


Experts Warn About Dangers of Deprogramming Treatment

February 10, 2009: Specialists in childhood trauma and therapy from the Leadership Council have grave concerns about the ethics of deprogramming treatment described in a recent article published in the Globe and Mail (see: Judge Blocks Sending Teen for Deprogramming Treatment, Feb 7, 2009.  http://http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/LAC.20090207.PARENTS07/TPStory/National%20)

We support the decision of the judge who refused to court-order deprogramming treatment (sometime called Reunification Therapy) overturning a 2008 arbitrator’s order that the 14-year-old boy be coercively treated. The controversial treatment is designed to “deprogram” children who are “alienated” from one of their parents during divorce.

Various forms of this type of “treatment” have sprung up over the last decade. The therapy usually involves confining the child in a location away from home, and isolating the child from the parent to whom the child is most attached. The attachment to the favored parent is challenged, while encouraging the child with intensive sessions to re-accept the rejected parent.

Some children have reported receiving treatment involving threats and coercion. The child may be told that he or she may not return home until they have accepted a more favorable view of the denigrated parent. One child the LC has interviewed described recurrent nightmares of the de-programming episodes that were used on him. In addition, there have been several lawsuits related to this type of approach. (see: http://rachel-foundation-lawsuit.com)

This so-called “therapy” is reminiscent of the kind of brainwashing techniques used in prison camps where deprivation and isolation are used to coerce false confessions and to force ideological changes in captives. While these techniques can produce changes in belief and in behavior, we are concerned that these techniques are harmful to the mental health of children.

We are also concerned that deprogramming treatments may violate basic ethical principles that guide practice. According to the American Psychological Association’s ethical standards, the goals of psychologists are the welfare and protection of individuals. We question whether deprogramming treatment protects the welfare of the children involved. We have listed some of our concerns at the end of this release. (see: Concerns)

Deprogramming treatment raises philosophical and legal questions which remain unresolved in our approach to children. Are children simply the property of adults whose legal interests can control what children think and believe? In what sense does the child’s intellectual and emotional freedom have precedence over these legal interests? While these complex issues are not yet resolved, the controversial nature of this deprogramming treatment would argue for caution in safeguarding the mental health of children while we wrestle with these complex questions.

One of the concrete dangers of this type of therapy is that it has been used to force children into reunification with adults that have committed violent crimes against them, thus putting the children at risk of further victimization.

The Leadership Council has spoken with several victims of this type of therapy who were traumatized by the treatment. One young man says he continues to have flashbacks from his forced isolation from his mother and from continually being confronted by a therapist who told him his beliefs were wrong. After reunification with the parent he had been coerced to accept (in this case his father), he discovered that this parent was indeed abusive, his previous beliefs had been correct, and he felt betrayed and maltreated by the courts that had ordered this therapy. This case clearly illustrates that therapy that stems from the agenda of an interested legal party may be detrimental to the autonomy and welfare of the child for whom it is ordered.

Sometimes reunification therapy does not involve confinement and separation from the primary parent, but involves forced therapy sessions with a rejected parent. Many of the same ethical questions apply to this type of therapy as well, as the child is often forced to attend these sessions against his/her will. If the child is being forced to reunify with a parent he has clearly stated was abusive to him or her, the child may react with increased symptoms, suicidal ideation, or even suicide attempts.

Does this mean that children shouldn’t receive therapy in situations where a child is estranged from one of their parents? No.

There are respectful and accepted techniques available that do not involve coercion or confinement that can help children in these situations. For example, one technique involves listening to children and helping them sort through their often conflicted feelings about their parents. This form of therapy, when done with a neutral therapist who is committed to safeguarding the interests of the child, is a more humane and appropriate approach. In addition, this is the approach that is most likely to be effective.

For all of these reasons, the LC strongly supports the judge’s decision described in the Globe and Mail article, and advises parents seeking remedies for children from whom they are estranged to seek less coercive and more ethical forms of treatment. Also, courts should resist ordering children into any treatment that is coercive and experimental. Instead, any court-ordered treatment should abide by APA ethical guidelines and be based on empirical evidence.

Children have a right to their thoughts, beliefs, feelings, and opinions. The legal interests of warring adults should not be the agenda that drives the mental health approach used for vulnerable children.
Our Concerns Regarding “Deprogramming” Therapy

1. Being Confined and Isolated from Family and Friends in an unfamiliar Setting May be a Traumatic Experience for Children Leading Them to Feel Trapped, Helpless, and Powerless.

Isolating a child from everyone they are familiar with and attempting to force a new view of their parents, especially by strangers who know little about the child’s experiences with their parents can be traumatic. This is of particular concern as many children being exposed to these techniques have reported a history of abuse from the very individuals they are being forced to reunify with.

One girl subjected to this treatment was placed in a treatment facility by her father. The therapists adopted the father’’s viewpoint and the child was repeatedly told that her father who had abused her on a numerous occasions, hadn’t. She finally parroted what she was told to say in order to get out the facility where she was being held. When returned to her father, she ran away from home and lived on the streets until she was able to get a judge to listen to listen to her. She was finally allowed to return to her mother after a hearing in which the young teen’s concerns were finally listened to.

Coercive and punitive “therapies” are especially inappropriate when used on children who have already been traumatized. These children may find this kind of setting a “trigger” for further post-traumatic reactions. Forced reunification against a child’s will and without taking into consideration the child’s point of view and emotional well-being, can be expected to reinforce a sense of helplessness and powerlessness in an already vulnerable child. Such “treatment” can be expected to do more harm than good, and could potentially cause lasting emotional harm.

2. According to APA Ethical Standards, Psychologists Respect and Protect Civil and Human Rights (Preamble to the APA Ethical Guidelines)

The right to one’s belief system is considered the most basic of human rights. The confinement of a child who has committed no wrong doing away from parents and friends in unfamiliar surroundings in order to force them to adopt a new belief system may violate a child’s basic civil rights.

3. According to APA Ethical Principles, Individuals have a Basic Right to Self-Determination (Principle E: Respect for People’s Rights and Dignity)

Being forced to change one’s belief system may violate the principle of self-determination.

4. According to APA Ethical Principles, Psychologists Avoid Multiple Relationships to Avoid Conflicts of Interest (APA Ethics code: 3.05)

According to ethical standards set forth by the APA, “a psychologist refrains from entering into a multiple relationship if the multiple relationship could reasonably be expected to impair the psychologist’s objectivity, competence, or effectiveness in performing his or her functions as a psychologist, or otherwise risks exploitation or harm to the person with whom the professional relationship exists.”

A psychologist who has contracted with a parent to force a child against his will into a relationship is engaged in a dual relationship. One with the contracting parent and one with the client-child. The child’s goals and interests may be in direct conflict to those of the parent that has engaged the therapist. This dual role presents an unavoidable conflict that would keep the child’s feelings, beliefs, and desires from being central during treatment.

5. According to APA Ethical Principles, Psychologists Must Engage in Therapeutic Services Only After Obtaining Informed Consent – Even when a Client is Not Legally Capable of Giving Informed Consent, The Psycologist Still Must Explain the Procedures, Consider the Individual’s Preferences and Gain Their Assent Prior to Treatment. (APA Ethics code: 3.10).

According to ethical standards set forth by the APA, “For persons who are legally incapable of giving informed consent, psychologists nevertheless (1) provide an appropriate explanation, (2) seek the individual’s assent, (3) consider such persons’ preferences and best interests..”

It is not possible to obtain meaningful informed consent from children who are isolated from family and friends, confined in a facility and subjected to coercive treatment.


Posted by MamaLiberty at 12:48 PM

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Facility Question and Answers / Re: Peninsula Village
« on: May 02, 2009, 10:40:37 AM »
Quote from: "Ursus"
Quote from: "Kelly Roberts of Peninsula Village"
We absolutely have a process in place for reporting mistreatment. The patients would complete a patient advocate request form and the patient advocate would then make sure the patient is allowed a private phone call to report any alleged abuse. As a facility we would also make the call if we believed any of our patients are being mistreated.

They really make those kids jump through hoops to report abuse, eh? They have to ask for a form, turn it in, and then they are allegedly allowed a phone call. In other words, PV staff will already know beforehand who wants to report, and what they want to report.

Damage control will already be underway by the time authorities react, and the kid may also experience consequences for their "audacity," ...not to mention being made an example for the rest of the community.

The system is stacked, not to prevent or reduce potential harm to already fragile youth, but to protect Peninsula Village's interests.

That's a joke.  PV uses a 3x5 card for the kids to write their request on - my step daughter requested to speak with her attorney and was told it would have to be approved by PV's risk management, a guy named Jim Chamberlin.  The patient rights S. signed at PV include unlimited access to clergy, lawyers and personal physicians.  Another time, S. filled out a card to speak with a nurse she knew at Peninsula Hospital.  A counselor read it, tore it up and said S. would not be "manipulating anyone".

Jim Chamberlin is the guy PV pays to protect PV's interests, and he's a nebulous character.  When my step daughter's PV records were being reviewed, it was noted that Jim Chamberlin and PV's attorney Thomas Cole signed off on S. treatment team meetings.  Any idea why risk management and a lawyer should be overseeing treatment?

Peninsula's interests were at risk.

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Let It Bleed / Re: Stuff you've been listening to
« on: April 01, 2009, 03:02:56 PM »
Chavez - Better Days Will Haunt You

Amon Duul II - Yeti

Bob Mould - Life and Times

Mission of Burma - Live on WLYN, 2/12/1982

Neil Young - Tonight's the Night and On the Beach

The Birthday Party - Hits

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Peninsula says staff reduction in works
« on: March 31, 2009, 02:27:53 PM »
http://web.ebscohost.com/pov/detail?vid ... 2166189843#db=pwh&AN=2W62W62166189843

Peninsula says staff reduction in works: Mental-health provider says reimbursement cuts lessen demand

~~~~~~~~

Carly Harrington

Mar. 19--Mental-health provider Peninsula is in the process of reducing its staff to accommodate health care reimbursement cuts that have resulted in less demand for services.

"We are seeing an impact, and we may have to adjust accordingly," said Max Shell, senior vice president of marketing and community relations for Covenant Health, which owns and operates Peninsula.

The state budget cuts have reduced reimbursement rates to hospitals, particularly for behavioral health, which always has been a fraction of other kinds of health care, Shell said.

None of Covenant Health's other facilities is being impacted, he added. Covenant Health is the largest hospital operator in the Knoxville area.

"This just relates to behavioral for us," he said.

While one source puts the number of affected Peninsula employees as high as 50-60, Shell said the figure is still undetermined.

"We've notified some employees that we may have to flex down. Fortunately, we're a large system with a number of openings. To the extent that occurs, we'll be able to match people accordingly," Shell said.

Peninsula, which began in 1996, has 12 locations in five counties including a 155-bed in-patient hospital, a residential treatment facility and several outpatient centers.

Business writer Carly Harrington may be reached at 865-342-6317.

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Item: 2W62W62166189843

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Let It Bleed / Re: Stuff you've been listening to
« on: March 28, 2009, 05:37:27 PM »
Mission of Burma - Vs.

Melvins - Live at the Fucker Club

Gutter Twins - An Evening with Greg Dulli and Mark Lanegan, at the Babylon in Berlin, 1/24/09

Cursive - Mama, I'm Swollen

The Rakes - Klang

Julian Cope - Jehovahkill

Nick Cave - Black Sessions

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Peninsula Village / Lay It On Them, Jeffrey.
« on: March 25, 2009, 03:30:18 PM »
LOL.  Mr. Weinberg enters the lion's den with an Uzi. He points out the weird logic of celebrating a "degrading atmosphere".

http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/group ... 9651253224

Quote from: "Jeffrey Harris Weinberg Ccna"
hey sid and grayson, you guys are ridiculous - sid, how can you say that i'm a failure; you realize that i've been complimented by many my age that i happen to perform exceptionally well? of course not you typical brainwashed pv "alumni" bastard. grayson really isn't even worth bothering with because he's pretty unintelligent

also i don't know if anyone ever notices but whenever i come here to write something i always remove myself off the group members list. you know why? it's because pv is an embarrassment - most of you guys who have nothing else but the big book/aa/pv in your lives probably don't care, but to me, i don't want people knowing that i ever was in such a degrading atmosphere

as far as the lawsuit thing is concerned, I honestly have been busy as hell lately as i am going for my next certification in my IT field and that combined with work makes life a bit busy

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Let It Bleed / Re: Stuff you've been listening to
« on: March 25, 2009, 02:23:24 PM »
Music Gallery:  70's Soul.




MusicGallery - 70's Soul - MG-2007-072
LAME v3.97 MP3/320kbps/44khz/Stereo
Track Selection By: Anne Bonney
Track Mastery By: beach road music
Files/Proofing/Torrent By: MusicGallery

101-Barry White-Never, Never Gonna Give You Up
102-The Spinners-I'll Be Around
103-Roberta Flack-Where Is The Love
104-Al Green-Let's Stay Together
105-Lou Rawls-Natural Man
106-Cornelius Brothers & Sister Rose-Treat Her Like A Lady
107-Chairmen Of The Board-Give Me Just A Little More Time
108-Aretha Franklin-Until You Come Back To Me
109-Stevie Wonder-Signed, Sealed, Delivered, I'm Yours
110-The Five Stairsteps-Ooh Child
111-The Isley Brothers-That Lady (Part 1 & 2)
112-The Three Degrees-T.S.O.P. (The Sound Of Philadelphia)

Total Time: 43:09

201-William DeVaughan-Be Thankful For What You Got
202-Candi Staton-Young Hearts Run Free
203-Kool & The Gang-Celebration
204-The Chi-Lites-Oh Girl
205-The O'Jays-Love Train
206-Bloodstone-Never Let You Go
207-Rufus-Tell Me Something Good
208-The Persuaders-Thin Line Between Love And Hate
209-Tower Of Power-So Very Hard To Go
210-L.T.D.-Where Did We Go Wrong
211-Gene Chandler-Groovy Situation
212-Eddie Holman-Hey There Lonely Girl


Track selection by Anne Bonney?  Anne, did you pick the tunes on this cornucopia of Soul?

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Quote from: "Ursus"
Kellen Donald Coatney
        
Coatney, Kellen Donald age 20 of Eagan passed away suddenly on 3/7/09. Student at Winona State University. Preceded in death by Grandfather Donald L. Coatney. Survived by Parents Brian & Kathryn; Brother Brennan & Sister Bridgette; Grandmother Marilyn Coatney; Grandparents Terry & Jane Tambornino. Also by many other Uncles, Aunts, Cousins and friends. Funeral Service 11AM Saturday, March 14, Hosanna! Lutheran Church, 9600 163rd St. W., Lakeville. Visitation 4-8pm Friday, White Funeral Home, 14560 Pennock Ave and also one hour prior to service at church. A memorial offering will be given to Peninsula Village Scholarship. White Funeral Home Apple Valley 952-432-2001 http://www.whitefuneralhomes.com


Published in the Star Tribune on 3/10/2009


This should probably be in a different thread.  When the pro-PV kids were lashing out at PV survivors on YouTube by calling them liars who didn't "make use" of the insanity offered by PV, someone mentioned Avanita _______, a young lady who overdosed after leaving PV.  The KoolAid crew went on the offensive, attacking again before DIeYuppieScum offered up this sage wisdom on Avanita's death and the PV cult kids doing program damage control:

Quote from: "DieYuppieScum"
in terms of PV, I don't care who you are or what you think.... if you went, you went through hell.. if you broke, then I pity you... but this "Avanita"???  No matter what, she is my sister... and I am sad she died... and I have had many friends die... this girl is not my friend, never even met her but I know what she experienced. FUCK PV.

Res ipsa loquitur

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