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Elan School / I was wondering...
« on: February 08, 2011, 02:21:52 AM »
Since I was a state kid, and the state had to keep student bank up, and ''entertainment funds'' for trips I blew/didn't go on, and money available for all those Strength subs/sodas I also blew/had pulled plus bi-yearly clothing allowances for clothing trips I never was taken on (among the other zillion little expenses Elan had cooked up)...

Where did all the money go? I mean, I know that sounds incredibly daft, or like just a deliberately obtuse question, but in all honesty, I wonder if my state was charged anyway for all the shit I didn't get? I somehow can't see it being refunded or put back into my student bank, but how would they be able to keep charging for these things and never be caught not providing it? :eek:

Jae :shamrock:

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Elan School / Re: Something weird happened while discussing a topic on FB.
« on: February 07, 2011, 11:52:53 AM »
For many years, I tried hard to pretend what happened to me (and others) couldn't have... that maybe I was taking it too hard, that maybe it was sour grapes, or whatever. Anything else but blatant abuse. The nightmares never stopped though, and when I finally sought professional help, it was all too clear, and could not be denied any more. When I was married, I had told my husband Paul about it, and I won't ever forget the horrified look on his face when I explained rings, GM's and VR's. We didn't call them haircuts anymore, they were 'verbal reprimands'. A sad attempt to neaten up an ugly thing I suppose, or as Montigraph put it, spraypainting a turd?

I didn't have a facebook when I found fornits, so I had begun reading here. I read for several months before I plucked up the courage to introduce myself and such, and almost immediately, the crap began from certain people. I had chatted a few times with Ursus through threads, and felt like maybe I had found the right place to begin talking about my experiences. Like you said though, lots of truly nasty people would inbox me telling me things like suck it up, grow up, I was just being a little brat, I was a failure at Elan because I didn't try hard enough, and the like. At first, I ignored them, but than Paul and I decided the abuse was not worth it, and it was in fact just adding to the damage. When he deployed to Iraq, I posted only a couple more times but the same things were happening, only now I did not have my husband to cry to, so just deleted my posts and stopped coming. It was not worth it to me to post and than deal with the onslaught of bullshit. Seemed sort of like asking for grief by writing here.

When I made a Facebook, I started looking up other people I knew from Elan. I didn't find many, so I kind of stopped looking. After awhile, I looked again but found a couple of different groups about Elan. I spent a few weeks reading there and writing back and forth with other people even though they were not from my time there. Some were much older, some much younger and a few in between. Jeff W has been instrumental in me finding courage to come back here, but that is basically what the huge lapse in my posting here was about. Also, in between that time frame, my Husband was killed, and I was inconsolable for a long time.

Things these days are a little better, so I figured that I'd come back and hopefully begin or contribute to some discussions going on. I hope to be able to do so, either offer support, or find it which is what I wanted all along.

Going on what your last reply said, I can definitely understand now why you would be so incredibly wary. I will be more than sure to keep an eye out for those names and stay as far away from them as I can. I won't be bullied again into retracting anything I have to say, because I have learned that if my input is valuable to even one person, it is easy enough to just ignore the garbage.

I have seen some people face incredible adversity in trying to unload emotionally about Elan, I have had just a taste of it between fornits and facebook. Seems like you have had heaps, and it is incredibly unfair. I will never understand the mindsets some people have and why they choose to perpetuate the abuse, and in some ways, I am glad I don't. It is the definitive line between myself and them. There was a discussion on one of the facebook groups (I forget which one at the moment) and there was a woman there who turned out to be a staffer (can't recall off hand if she was former or current) who was being SUCH a bitch to anyone who posted anything remotely anti-Elan. It made my blood boil and if I coulda reached through the screen and slapped her, I'd have loved to. :blabla:

Sorry things got off to a rough start between us, but do let's move forward and work together. :peace:

Jae :shamrock:

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Elan School / Re: Something weird happened while discussing a topic on FB.
« on: February 07, 2011, 10:14:02 AM »
Given myself away? Man if I felt safe enough to, I'd scan my license since I seem to have to PROVE who I am to you. But then again, like I said, you are nobody to me. You are just nasty and rude and very mean spirited from what I have read, and I looked far enough back and can be pretty confident in that assessment.

And you are right, we have NEVER had an exchange of words here.. ever.. because this is the ONLY name/account I have ever had. Yet still I had to read about being a sick fuck and shitting all over the web... by you. Among other nasty things you've had to say. When I said I was sick to damn death of your shit, I meant just that. In the few replies you've made, you've been nasty enough to merit that reaction.

Your attitude is YOUR problem, so why do you feel the need to take it out on everyone else? I have never interacted with you before, so why am I lumped in with "the asswipes of the fornits cesspool"? I have been just as abused as you by Elan, yet I seek understanding and a sense of... of... I don't know, maybe validation and support that I am NOT being unfair in the way I feel, and what my life has been like since Elan. THAT is what I post about here. Ursus has read and replied to most of my threads before I deleted them BECAUSE of bullying from Mr. Bennison. To hear you try to accuse me/insinuate that I am anyone else besides ME makes it that much worse, that someone who I should be able to talk with and get help/support from wants to just be nasty, and now play the semantic game. It makes me so angry because those are the people that hurt me so bad, not Mr. Bennison himself, but other staff like him. It is a resounding slap in the damn face to be perfectly frank. Sorry you might be too jaded to see that. I resoundingly agree that the lengths some people go to here to manipulate/hurt/lie to etc is scary, I have been on the receiving end of some of it. That too is why what you are trying to say is so infuriating. Get it now?

Whatever GAME you seem to think I appear to be playing is one going on in your own head. I seek things vastly different than you seem to want to put me up to. That's pretty goddamn sad. Someone can not even come to a forum and talk because they get to be lumped in with OTHERS who have done some pretty unconscionable things. I am sure that even you can understand that is a pretty shitty thing, no?

My facebook is http://www.facebook.com/rainbowpoop my MSN is [email protected] as well. Feel free to look me up. I am sure you will see alllll over my wall that I am who I say I am. Or don't. I don't give a shit either way. You think you know what you think you know, and nothing I say or do will change that. But if you are going to try and play super-sleuth, do at least have your facts right. I have NEVER had any other name than this, nor do I have multiple accounts. You can say elsewise all day long, but the truth is the truth. Insisting what you wish does not make it so. I am pretty sure by now with all your accusations and insinuations would have a moderator piping in about me LYING, but the silence speaks for itsself.

Elan is not ''all consuming''. I am a Mother to a damn good kid, was a Wife to a damn good Soldier (rest him), and for the most part, a pretty cheerful person. Elan is something I went through, and while I did learn some things, there was much more harm than good. In hindsight, I wish I hadn't allowed myself to be bullied into deleting my old posts (I think some remain but I know I was pretty through to shut people up who had nothing but nasty things to say) because then I might be able to rattle off my ''credentials'' for you.

Actually, I can do so now. I was in E-3 in the early through mid 90's. I was interviewed at Long Lane by Terri V and Marty K. My house director was Terri Volk, there was Geoff G, Bob Oldham, and a few other random weekend staff I can't recall the names of. Missy Esty taught me to play soccer and we even had a shutout season one year despite how good Bobbi-jo P was at it. E-7 kicked our butts most games, but I loved it anyhow. Mandy Remer was our best player, and I got to play goalie almost every game. When I first got to Elan, Eric Pondusa was the Sr Coordinator. We could still smoke then but about a year after I arrived, (maybe 8 months?) all smoking was banned and E-3 got a brand new paint job inside. I was there when there was an entire house wide M/F ban because of all the cardinal rule breaking that went on, and then when Marty and Terri decided to restructure the whole dichotomy. Some ppl got shot down, some were department shuffled, some promoted on the spot. Sandy G was the only person who managed to go through the entire program without ever being shot down or even demoted. Mike Lewendowski split with a tall blond haired kid, and caught days later. Dawn B :rose:  had split and the terrible thing that happened to her was when I was a brand new resident.

Have I dropped enough names for you? Is there anything else I can tell you to make you STOP trying to say I am not who I say? It's exhausting and useless actually. You will still think what you want, and swear by it. I will know the truth that I have never had another account, or any one other than this. I chat very frequently with Jeff W, and it is pretty clear that I am quite sane, and not the kind of person to play games or want to hurt anyone. Giving myself away as you put it? There, I just have.

Don't bother praying for me, since you don't even want to believe my intentions.

I did not say you were a nobody.. you are quite somebody to the people who love and care for you. I said you were nobody to ME.

Jae :shamrock:

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Elan School / Re: Something weird happened while discussing a topic on FB.
« on: February 07, 2011, 07:44:07 AM »
If you DARE insist that I am someone ELSE posting in a NEW name and having had one PRIOR to this OR other than this one, you are sorely mistaken. I have never had any other name here EVER besides the one I use now. You spoke once before about wanting to be spoken to with respect but you do anything BUT. I am so fucking sick of you being nasty to me when I have done you NO wrong.

I quote you here: "I just ask that you say something intelligent,and speak to others as you would wish to be spoken to."

Where the hell is YOUR respect when you have spoken on this thread? How do you figure you can dare say ''speak to others as you would wish to be spoken to'' when you have spewed nothing but nastiness and insults in your responses? I do not see where you think that I am trying to offend you, that has never been anything I have done, so that was pretty senseless. As is you constantly calling people ''sick fucks'' and stating that ''people like yourself shit all over the internet''. Get a fucking grip.

If you care so little about my posts, than stop trying to find ways to bash them and myself. It's kind of stupid to see you rail on and on about what bullshit fornits has become when you constantly talk shit yourself! Make up your mind... speak with respect and get it back, or keep on being an asshole, and be treated like one. But for Christ's sake, stop being a jerk than whining about jerks!

I am not the person writing this book, so you telling me to ''do what you gotta do'' made about as much sense as a waterproof sponge. I think you are just so keen to be nasty you aren't even bothering to pay attention to the POINTS and FACTS and just randomly shooting off bullshit. I suppose that's where the malcontent part comes in.

YOU may feel like people posting their stories/experiences is beating a dead horse, you are entitled to your opinion however nasty it may be. Yes, it CAN be very cleansing and helpful to people, and you are nobody to make shit worse for them by being such a nasty person while replying to posts you claim to care nothing about. If the cesspool of mental illness here helps people with their pain/anger/frustration, than it IS NOT bullshit. It in fact DOES produce positiveness, when people who are fundamentally positive are BEING positive, regardless if so much negativity abounds here. You are NOBODY to say what OTHER people find positive or negative.

Doubt me all you please, my carebox is empty on that. But to accuse or even hint at some of the ridiculous trash you've written here pisses me off immensely, which in all honesty, is the only thing I think you are after.

Where do you see me ''exposing the people of Elan''? I didn't even use any NAMES in my first post, genius. Somebody ELSE had already sussed it out before I spoke a single name. Or did you miss that too, along with the rest of the facts you are seemingly confused on? Talk about a troll seeking attention, Jesus WEPT. Seems that the attitude of your posting is what is helping ''drag the forum down'' since I have yet to see you contribute positively.

To re-iterate..

I have NEVER had any other username other than this one.
You are an asshole with all your double standards.
I took the bait like an idiot and have finally lost my temper, and that makes ME an asshole too.
I am sick to god damn death of your snyde bullshit.
If you don't care about what people have to say and want to say it's ''shitting all over the internet''...stop contributing to the shitfest.

Have a nice fucking day. :fuckoff:

Jae :shamrock:

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Elan School / Re: Something weird happened while discussing a topic on FB.
« on: February 04, 2011, 03:25:03 PM »
And just to clarify ''band wagoning'' where it even pertains to Mr. Bennison, I stick to my OWN issues with him (all of which he has had a hand in creating), not climb on board with everyone else's...

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Elan School / Re: Something weird happened while discussing a topic on FB.
« on: February 04, 2011, 03:21:10 PM »
Nowhere in my post did I quote you as doing any/accusing of any/referring to you doing any useless bitching. It was my point of view, I accused you nowhere of making it yours. I have always been, and remain open to sharing of topics weather I agree with them or not, and even intelligently discussing opinions that are vastly different from my own. A ''sick fuck'' would be unable to navigate the waters of intelligent responsible debate. I was making that statement in reference to what liarsexposed had to say, not Dethgurl :(

Should I choose to sit here all day and spew my bit about Bennison, Kruglick, Gottlieb or Sharon Terry,(sorry, I am not sure who Art is) that is my choice, as I do not tell you what to pontificate on. I am not known for knee-jerk reactions, bandwagoning or name calling, but I maybe can be accused of phrasing what it is I mean to say poorly, and for that, I will apologize now. It is never my intention to aimlessly offend anyone or do so without cause.

Be well

Jae :shamrock:

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Elan School / Re: Something weird happened while discussing a topic on FB.
« on: February 03, 2011, 09:53:23 AM »
So what you are saying is any opinion except one that aligns with yours is basically useless bitching? NO-ONE will shut me up, nor the others with valid points to tell. While I can appreciate what you are saying and be willing to think about it, I think we will have to agree to disagree.

Be well.

Jae :shamrock:

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Elan School / Re: Something weird happened while discussing a topic on FB.
« on: February 02, 2011, 04:24:28 PM »
Hehe @ testifyyyy.. that made me giggle.

I have to say, my original post named NO NAMES, and everyone knew it was Danny B. I found that interesting LoL. I didn't mean to sound like I was speaking for everyone when I said that whatever he had to say here was empty and worthless, so forgive me if I offended you. I was speaking from my own opinion, and it didn't dawn on me until much later that some might think I was being pretentious and speaking for them.

none-ya had said that if even half of what Wayne is writing, Bennison needs to be in jail. I totally agree. I have seen some of the violence propagated and encouraged by staffers of my time, though nothing of this level. See, in a way, he is in jail... in his own mind. See, as profusely and adamantly as he denies everything he's done, deep in his heart, he knows the truth of the matter. That is, unless he is absolutely batshit crazy and has no grip on reality. He will have to live with it until the day he dies. He is a sad old man who deserves no less than being reminded of his crimes with these children. :suicide:

So as for my self-imposed shotdown, I failed. Was trying to not smoke, and as I was making a youtube vid to speak about my experience at Elan, I caught myself smoking in my nervousness. HOUSE TO THE DINING ROOM...GENERAL MEETING!!! :ftard:

Jae :shamrock:

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Elan School / Re: Something weird happened while discussing a topic on FB.
« on: February 02, 2011, 04:41:21 AM »
Oh, and while we are copping to guilt, I will follow my own advice... I had a SERIOUS crush on Keith Bowman, and never copped to it. I shall shoot myself down and spend 3 days scrubbing my kitchen floor. No movies and no cigs. :eek:

Jae :shamrock:

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Elan School / Re: Something weird happened while discussing a topic on FB.
« on: February 02, 2011, 04:35:47 AM »
I have NO doubt about what Wayne is writing. The sheer delight Danny B took in abusing and humiating people speaks for itsself. So do his retarded rambling messages in my inbox and in replies to my comments. He is a slime that ought to ooze himself away from anyone he has ever hurt unless he sincerely wishes to make ammends and sincerely apologize. Oh, and cop to HIS guilt for doing what he did to the kids he had control over. Nothing less will suffice in my opinion and I don't give a flying fuck through a rolling donut if he wishes to degrade me yet AGAIN... I simply consider the source now, a mean little man who had absolute joy in the pain he inflicted upon kids. EVERYTHING he has to say to me or anyone else here is meaningless and empty.

Jae :shamrock:

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Sorry, is that a little better?


Jae :shamrock:

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Elan School / Something weird happened while discussing a topic on FB...
« on: January 29, 2011, 05:27:19 AM »
Hello everyone! I know I haven't posted in quite some time, got busy with life and the kids and such, but I'll be having some time to peek in more often now. I hope everyone has been well in the meantime!

I am pretty active in Facebook, namely the FB groups dealing with Elan such as Elan NoStars, I went to Elan School, and the like. I was reading a few chapters from a fellow who had written that he is working on a book about his life at Elan. What I read absolutely boggled my mind. I had mentioned to a friend of mine (also a former Elan resident) that I thought I had heard/read the worst Elan had dished out until I read these few chapters. How wrong I was.

As I often do, I had commented about what I read, my feelings about it, an opinion, whatever. I am eager to discuss similar experiences and offer insight or advice where it might be helpful. In this case, what I had read in these few chapters about a specific former staffer just drove my blood pressure straight through the roof, and I was DAMN angry. Instead of going full off about what I read, I supported the fellow in his endeavors with this book, encouraged him to stick to his guns, and offered whatever kind of other support I could. Did I speak about this former staffer? Damn sure did, but not nearly as emotionally charged as I'd liked to have.

I have read many forums over the years about the same tactics this former staffer uses in his effort to excuse his behavior, paint himself a victim, discredit anyone who is a naysayer about him, even make up false profiles and pretend to be some pal just wanting to defend his good ole buddy (former staff member). It has also been my ugly experience to receive unsolicited and unwanted inbox mail from him, always rambling on in the very same fashion as others had said he is fond of doing. While I can't do much about the idiotic and moronic replies on discussion boards I do not own from this person, I COULD do something about the inbox messages. I put his ass on block the very second I sent my reply to his impotent defensive little letter.

I am not sure what has me even writing about it here, except to add my name to the list of people this man has abused in one fashion or other. I wonder what could be accomplished in the time it has taken for him to write his thousands of garbage filled letters, retorts and replies, not to count the hours spent mailing people who clearly don't want to hear a word from him. It pisses me off immensely to have had to read about what a victim he feels he is of the kids he tortured while in control at Elan that are now adults and no longer afraid of him.

Victim, my irish ass, old man. You can justify what you did all you like, but your time will come, and it's then you will need to answer for what you have done. To add insult to injury by harassing people is making it worse, and it is only what you deserve.
 ::fullofshit::

Jae :shamrock:

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Elan School / My elan youtube video
« on: December 03, 2007, 05:12:01 PM »
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Elan School / elan class action blog
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Elan School / My elan youtube video
« on: November 30, 2007, 08:02:36 PM »
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