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Open Free for All / ft.laud.strip '73
« on: October 29, 2005, 10:37:00 PM »
At that time on the strip across from the hall of fame swimming pool was an all night sandwich and coffee shop called Papa Niks.It was next to the original Prop Club,a small bar hidden away from the large disco scene rock type venues.The fading hip type peoples and other faders wound up magnetized to papa Niks at the end of '73.If they had change,they'd get a brew at the Prop Club.We would all smoke herb out back,and of course,Big Mama Blu:Maryanne cooked there in the mornings way before her career singing for audiences.She would sing lightly while cooking and at first not admit it.Lot's of colorful characters drank coffee all night there.Any meories?

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The Seed Discussion Forum / seed'70
« on: October 21, 2005, 11:45:00 PM »
June was a nice name for this highly individualized personna.She didn't fit into any sterotypes and counselors couldn't tie her to habitual behaviour.She eventually tended at at a big daddys where Big Mama Blu started singing.She had a bit of a crimson rosatia on one cheek and a highly addictive fun attitude.On the strip in '73 she would haunt the strip with cries of "ah ah eee eee tookie tookie"!!Off the strip slighty and near the hall of fame pool,Big Mama Blu was starting to come to her singing senses.

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The Seed Discussion Forum / seed'70
« on: October 02, 2005, 01:10:00 AM »
I DO believe my folks may have been influenced by Arts' proceedures for a short time only,BUT-having my abums taken and my only poster thrown away was sincerely a ploy for power in a family that really wanted me gone anyway-which I was soon after.My phone conversations were recorded and tv time had been taken since I was 11.Arts' deal was helpful to a point,until the parents were asked to basically follow the same rules.That's when they dropped it like a lead weight.My folks were sincere drinkers of scotch from the old school.My old man could finish a fifth and a half in an evening and be fresh at 5a.m.However,on his desk for years was a bottle of 1000 10 mg. dextroamphetaminesulphate tabs.Of course the more I visited, the less the bottles contents became.Mom said "If I listenend to that music it'd be no wonder i took drugs." The biggest changes in music were happening then-1970 and around.They were born 1910 and 1917.There was no way they could hold themselves together with their views though.It's tough now for me to see the true within the new as it is now and I just hit 50.I feel a new conscientiousness and can't share it at a teen level where my heart beats.I suppose that should be normal.

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The Seed Discussion Forum / seed'70
« on: October 02, 2005, 12:44:00 AM »
I had a pretty bad headache one day and a staff member gave me what I thought were two aspirins.Found out by the extreme itching and flushing I had taken two hundred mg. niacin tablets.:eek:rder of art himself.I think Bunny was there,a girl named Marcia,Libby,and Mavis also.That may have been akin to an unlawful act,do you think?

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The Seed Discussion Forum / seed'70
« on: September 26, 2005, 08:46:00 PM »
Apologies to all.Maybe I was BS'ed.I cannot get the story from my mind after 34 years.I did see the newspaper article where my father was being sued (to no great help for anyone)when I was in school.Could that have been a hoax? I don't know.Art used to talk about taking great doses of niacin and how it would clean out the veins and tiny cappilaries of drug byproducts,strychnine pockets,for one.I actually believed that.Niacin DOES do just that.BUT-strychnine pockets?Very f'in doubtful.I forgot all about that.I don't really know what the story reality was.It appears to have been more of a drinking related poisoning.I have tried to check archives,but police files would probably lead the way to the answer.I do not remember following the story any furthur in 1971.How does one get into (cold case files) if in fact they had been ended and mended that long ago?

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The Seed Discussion Forum / seed'70
« on: September 24, 2005, 06:25:00 PM »
I am not a doctor. (but I played one once with someone who wasn't a nurse)When the brain is becoming non-functional due to drug orientated strokes,clots,decreased synaptical response,hemmoraging,or what ever it loses its' ability to oversee the automatic care it has provided all those years.The girls' left or right side also was becoming numb and paralyzed.It was a nightmare to hear about and a nightmare to remember.Besides being deathly traumatic for the girl,doctors could do nothing but watch her deteriorate.That made them feel terribly helpless in the aftermath of such a wasteful happening.Their lives were saturated with helping people and this time one could only watch as another wasted away quickly and horribly.I drive trucks for a living.I have some control in my job.I get to steer and accelerate and roll down the windows or turn on the radio.They had no choice.She had no more choices left.Her familys' only valid option was to start grieving.That and try to sue the doctor who had her admitted to the hospital as though it might bring her back.The validity of this story can only be relied on by my having told it truthfully.The man who admitted her to the hospital was my father.He cried and was in moral anguish at not being able to do something.I'd never seen him like that.That was when it was revealed to me the nature of the event and the coorboration of the story I heard at the seed.Shelly,Charley,Darlene,Libby-they were all there.I'm sure it's got a mark on their hearts also.AS far as the punch bowl being just thc,could have been a mess of acid tabs dissolved in there also.Stryctnine was used for effect and enhancement.I remember the acid in the late 60's and the numbness it produced.Times that by a hundred or so....I'm outa here

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The Seed Discussion Forum / seed'70
« on: September 23, 2005, 08:15:00 PM »
I live N.of you in Va.I was in S.Fla for a visit and/or a stay after 15 years north and the population was way too much for my family's safety.I don't know what the hell I was thinking about.Moving back out was the best thing for us.Delving into the internet was like long distance burrowing.Why the fheck would I lie about anything on this or any type of forum without proof or undisputable proof for any reason that may be able to be grasped or not like smoke from the past cannot possibly be logical in a possible dispute concerning matters of the heart.

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The Seed Discussion Forum / seed'70
« on: September 23, 2005, 02:22:00 PM »
Are you asking is my info true as remembered?Look into Beach Hospital admission records for end '70 or '71.I think that's the hospital.If not,do a little more research.It's too horrible an occurrance to be fiction.It's quite real when you consider how much strychnine was used in the 60s and early 70s.That IS what you're asking about, is it not?

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The Seed Discussion Forum / seed'70
« on: September 22, 2005, 09:30:00 PM »
I remember In my 2'nd seedling incarnation in '71 I arrived to hear Art talking about this kid who brought his sister to a party where she drank the remaining punch from the punch bowl that had been laced w/thc.Problem was-those days strychnine was used in quantity-usually in acid tabs,and the majority of the poisen was at the bottom of the bowl.Art blamed the kid for not telling his sister about the t,but I don't think he would have intended her to have been poisened.God,what a guilt trip that poor boy was put through,and what a horrible ending his sister embarked on as she struggled to maintain awareness in the seed as the muscles in her face on one side began to drag down and all she would finally say was "help me,please".This is absolutely true because I knew the doctor who personally had her admitted to the hospital.The girls' parents attempted to sue the doctor,but really all he did was to get her in the doors and to a room.No one knew how to treat her.At one point he asked me what I would have done and for the first time I had to agree with Arts' technique of high doses of niacin.It's really a very sad and terrible state of events to have had to know that had happened to any innocent life.I had heard that an autopsy had shown that one side of her brain had disintegrated.There's more horror in that story than I care to remember but I can't get it out of my mind.

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The Seed Discussion Forum / seed'70
« on: September 22, 2005, 08:19:00 PM »
I did not know anyone named Huck,but our cat was called Huck.He just ran off a couple months ago.I did know a Becky.She and her sister were red heads at the seed.Becky was 18 in '71 and her sister was 16 or 17.I thought they were pretty cool.There was also a tall Becky that I can barely remember,but no- wait,that was in 6'th grade-never mind.

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The Seed Discussion Forum / seed'70
« on: September 22, 2005, 12:50:00 AM »
A lot of people remember Libbi or Lybbi.She mind surfed between the psyches of many staffers apparently to stay w/Art for many years.Arts' wife was always behind him,but it appears Lib was there also.Nothing intended.I had a friend that lived behind the old seed no.1.:Larry.I lived there too on the next road for a while w/my bro in law and sister.Larry had a dad who was deaf and at that time seemed to be considered less of a person.Hard to f'n believe that crap could happen here.Larry had sniffed a bit too much something so they say.I liked the kid.We were a year apart with b'days on the same day.Art came down on his butt like a buffalo when his dad was missing some pills and I was responsible because we were into the medicine cabinet.I've felt bad for years.Larry was a good kid.They went back to Hawaii soon after.A fellow named Rick came to the newer seed on Andrews.He said"you can call me Rick,or Richard,or Nihasa or Grady, whatever you want.Art came down on him loud and hard saying this guy doesn't know who he is and that is a result of a drug orientated way of thinking.Rick and I became friends and he explained Nihasa was an Indian devil or spirit that he felt energy from.I accepted that.Art could not deal with that.Rick left, naturally.Rick and I used to practice esp tests with other members.We would line up coins on the stairs in the back and hold our fingers over the ones we though someone was thinking of.It appeared to work much of the time.The idea came from a book out of the library.Art was quite phobic about that sort of behaviour.We(me,Rick and Larry)knew we had a niche in his armor.It just bugged Art for us to play wizard with him.

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The Seed Discussion Forum / seed'70
« on: September 20, 2005, 08:51:00 PM »
I don't recall a Dupont or any reps from anywhere.It seems in the time between my two seed sojourns they had absorbed a lot of new members,old staffers returned,and new ones knighted.Now I recall that Mavis Was there,so that means Happy was too.There were a few entrusted from the group to lead meetings and were possibly acting staff members.Renee was a tough n.y.B,but had an enduring sense of humor.Rick and Linda were a married staff couple of mediocre temperment.Rick was pretty funny.Linda was nice.Charley Oats appeared to be deeply sincere about learning human nature and discussing his lifes' mistakes in those terms.He was a great group leader and a tough staff member.He had a wiley way about him as though the nature of true deviousness was awash in his system and an incredibly believable infectious smile.His eyes twinkled when he did grin,but I could not pinpoint the something in myself that distrusted him.There was an indescribeable edge he had or exuded that perhaps not everyone picked up on.That feeling always made me darkly aware of his presence.He had his heart grabbed by Darlene who was just as deeply sly and a discussion leader and staffer of rank.She was tough and perhaps fair and reminded me of howdy doody-red hair-freckles-howdys'face-what can I say.I heard her and Charley got married.I even heard that they went and shot up together.I can't even imagine what that would have done to their relationship.There was a Maureen also.There was this young lady named Donna who by her good nature alone I think slid quietly into the upper echelon.We were all singing "When Irish Eyes Are Smiling"led by Art of course,and he was looking through the crowd inquisitively like someone trying to pinpoint a bacon-cheeseburger with their nose-and I realized what he was searching for.Quite a few of us caught on.It was the unmistakeable voice of an Irish Angel.My god what a voice.Art asked her if she wouldn't mind singing it for us all alone and she obliged.I gotta tell you I had goosebumps and tears!She was tall with dark hair and a very kind face and a nice disposition.I would love to hear her sing again.I believe she became a staff member,but I bet it was too strenuous or should I say her strength probably overcame the piousness necessary to continue in that mode.I draw a blank on other staffers but I know they were there.

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The Seed Discussion Forum / seed'70
« on: September 19, 2005, 09:05:00 PM »
Memory can be like looking through a container of ten thousand buttons.The peace sign might have made it to the 2'nd seed sight on s. Andrews to be placed in the back somewhere.It was not mentioned after an initial drown-out of all prior "hippy ways".In the very beginning of the 2'nd seed house we were allowed to sit behind or to the right of the house in the shade of an old tree which could actually shade all of the present members perhaps at that "shift".Other members did appear out of somewhere,staffers were appearing from who knows where.

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The Seed Discussion Forum / seed'70
« on: September 17, 2005, 08:50:00 PM »
I was somehow absorbed into being a participant.I remember being with them 6 months and then some more in '71.A bunch of us kids carried really heavy flagstones from down the street behind the seed at s. Andrews.These we placed down outside the house.As the rustic style floor became larger in area as we accumulated more of these flat stones,someone also built an overhead and presto-we had a meeting area much larger than the little cozy house we sadly left behind.At that point it appeared that the friendliness was washed away,but it existed more as an underground movement.I had appeared at the seed because I was running from my brother in law.I had to live w/my sister and him off and on because homelife was not  possible peacefully.Well neither was the solution.Eventually I  was placed into several other members' homes mostly to keep me apart from the flash point that would ensue from home life.Really,all I had to do was stand at the front door and an arguement would greet me-so-that was actually the basis for my mistaken entry into the orginization.The sessions at S.Andrews became heated.More staff members appeared.Charley Oats,Darlene,Rick and Linda-there's more but their names and faces don't always surface in clarity.Memory is sometimes like those magic eight-balls.You get what appears on the little window with a good shake!I remember when they got a pink toilet seat for what they would refer to as the hot seat.I think it was on a toilet.People got come down on hard.A lot of it was unnecessary.Many of us were accused of having attitudes of heavy druggies and we were entirely too young or inexperienced to know what in the world they were talking about.(Check my other post about the seed song)I was put on the hot seat because I liked someone.The girl was put on the seat because she was accused of playing games.Relationships were not allowed.But as youth flowers,so does the heart.I expect that's why so many cars that went by were accompanied by screams of "the seed sucks!!!"and so on.Those were humerous interludes spaced entirely too far apart.

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The Seed Discussion Forum / seed'70
« on: September 17, 2005, 03:22:00 PM »
Yes, it was very smooth and hip and gentle at first.Free meals and some music-hugs were real.Pam had dark hair and a bayou face gentle looking w/knowledge integrating a kindly attitude.he had a light speech impediment like a lisp-but not.She was actually nowhere near resembling a beautiful blond but she may have been an angel.In her wisdom and as her life unfolded she chose to leave just before all the gentleness dissolved and the caustic agents of the seeds'dictates began to crystalize.She must have seen it coming.She gave of herself freely and uncomplaining and treated everyone as a well loved family member.She was not often spoken of but I hear her clearly in my heart 35 years later and I thank her where ever she is. I remember Happy and Mavis well.Happy had a handlebar mustache,a fatherly firm but caring disposition and a sense of humor to match the occasion and his wife Mavis was a tad portly if only to hold in an amazing inner strength and an english wit that bordered on Dickens' cockney along w/the accent.Two totally unforgetable characters.I don't remember them making the move down to around S.Andrews at the little mansion which was to eventuslly house the Seeds' really growing rap sessions.I remember them recalling their arguements w/each other when they were drinking.Mavis would throw cast iron pots and pans at Happy and then they would make up of course.I remember Maureens' name well and almost the sound of her voice,but I can't visualize her.I get her confused with Renee from n.y.who had at one time a several hundred $$ per day heroin habit-which was a huge liability even by todays standards.The record player was moved w/the seed into a back room for a while along w/the albums and eventually chosen music was cited as a remembered association with past highs and I think sort of edged out of sight.Naturally they couldn't stop radio play.Never heard of synanon at the time.

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