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The Troubled Teen Industry / 20/20 Seeks WWASP people
« on: June 26, 2003, 07:42:00 AM »
Carey,
If you don't want to go through Denise, that is fine. Contact them directly, Spots provided the producers name. But I think your voice particularly needs to be heard. They are also interested to know how many deaths have occured. Denise said 20/20 knows of 4 and they are all listed as suicides. If anyone has an contrary information it would be helpful.
Below is the response Denise got from 20/20
regarding the focus of the program:

In response to your emails, we are focused on the WWASP programs "especially Dundee which closed down in Costa Rica" as well as other WWASP facilities that are currently under scrutiny.  

If you come across any other information on WWASP that would be great

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The Troubled Teen Industry / 20/20 Seeks WWASP people
« on: June 25, 2003, 10:39:00 PM »
Good questions, sorry I didn't elaborate, rushed.
She is the contact not the journalist. I think they approached her about this. I haven't met her face-to-face, but we've been interacting in cyberspace for a number of years.

Sorry, I do not know about the "case in Fl". I think I remember her mentioning it in another email, but I have forgotten the details...too many irons in the fire right now.

But she is legitimate. Most of her activism, and how I know her is through working to seperate psychiatry and education. The drugging of our children for a fraudulent "diagnosis". BTW, there is no scientfic data to support that ADD exists and/or is a disease. Great gains were just made in Tx. Two bills were passed that will prevent teachers and staff from "practicing without a license"....diagnosing and referring kids for drugs. Parents will no longer risk loosing their children for "medical neglect" if they refuse to go the psych route.

The topic of WWASP came up on our listserve [email protected]. I offered to assist her.
Deborah


[ This Message was edited by: Deborah on 2003-06-25 19:41 ]

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The Troubled Teen Industry / 20/20 Seeks WWASP people
« on: June 25, 2003, 10:22:00 PM »
From:   [email protected]
Date:   Wed, 25 Jun 2003 18:55:40 EDT
Subject:   Re: WWASP/ 20 20

20/20 is going to do a piece on WWASP. Contact Denise at the above email address if you would like to tell your story. Don't delay.
Deborah


We need real people and real numbers.
They are under reporting the number of children who died while in their care..
Or any of the abuse that happened, anu and all abuse/death information would really help at this point.
I will try to get to the message boards soon.  Any info that can be sent right to me will help me out.
We are still having all kinds of nightmare problems with the case in FL.
If you would like to post this for me on the forum this would also help me out.

I want so much to help in this subject and this area, and we have a major media door standing wide open waiting to know this.
Thanks again  Denise
 


[ This Message was edited by: Deborah on 2003-06-25 19:31 ]

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See my post under Teen Help Programs

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Spring Creek Lodge Montana Information
« on: June 18, 2003, 04:56:00 PM »
The fact that these facilities/programs register with the state as private boarding schools, yet advertise to the public as BM (psych) facilities is a real problem.  And in my book amounts to fraud.  :flame:

Best to raise a stink about that discrepency. Licensing doesn't care unless someone lodges a complaint. Remember, they are "reactive" not "proactive"...quote from Ken Stettler-Utah.

That's what I did in Ga. The facility lied, said they started as a PBS, then changed. Wrong!! I provided ORS with web links and advertisements dating back to the time they opened. Last I heard, ORS was "negotiating" with the facility regarding their classification.

One other thing to know, when push comes to shove, as in Ga, some states may have a provision that allows them to issue a waiver for an "experimental" program. I don't know how to get around that one.

But the heat needs to be turned up on this issue. Licensing must be pressured to investigate the "services provided" and determine if the facility is what it claims to be. Any psych services should disqualify the PBS exemption.
As in Utah, Stettler (Lic. Dir) knows what's up with WWASP and other programs running this scam. If what he says is accurate, and he can't do anything; it's probably because there aren't any complaints specific to this issue.

It can take some time for licensing to gain access to a facility that is classified as a PBS because they are a "private corporation"...and they can only investigate if complaints have been filed.  Preferably numerous complaints. They can't have their cake and eat it too. Or, maybe they can...time will tell.
Deborah

An after thought.
Insurance companies might be interested to know they are victims of fraud as well- actually paying for stays at "boarding schools", and not the "psych services" which were applied for. Uh, which is it. If they are PBS, then they shouldn't qualify for insurance money. Could be useful to compile a list of the facilities committing this fraud, then send that list to major carriers.

I've heard this one too...We are primarily a school with an "emotional growth curriculm". An effort to sound more like an "educational" institution with "boundaries". Sorry, this is psychiatry, and psychiatry at its underhanded, manipulating worst.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Salesmanhip Club Wilderness Program
« on: June 16, 2003, 07:05:00 PM »
Could you elaborate, please.
Some specifics. And if you know if there have been any complaints filed or abuse charges, anything of that nature.
Thanks

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Salesmanhip Club Wilderness Program
« on: June 16, 2003, 01:01:00 PM »
Hey Fellow Watchdogs,
I know a 16 yo teen girl who is about to be placed in a program, unless I have the opportunity to convince her mom otherwise.

She was incarcerated at Laurel Ridge (Brown Schools) for a short stay, then came home and got into some trouble- stole her adult half-sisters car, hid it and used it ocassionally. She was apprehended last week while driving it. She was also in possession of numerous drugs. She is in juvie until a placement can be arranged.

They are considering a wilderness camp funded by the Salesmanship Club in Dallas. A group of local business people. The Byran Nelson Golf Tourney raises millions (5+ this year) to support this program every year.

One- does anyone know the poop on this program?
Two- she is going somewhere unless I can stop it. Any suggestions, first-hand knowledge of a program that treats teens with respect and doesn't limit contact with family or employ abusive BM techniques?

My heart is breaking, as most of you know my opinion of the industry in general. :rofl:  But, here I am. And, I need to do everything I can to ensure she doesn't land in the hands of abusers...if that is possible.
Thanks,
Deborah

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Sorry Ginger,
I didn't make that clear enough.
The problem is at ST (StrugglingTeens).
No probs here.
Deborah

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I'm putting this here so it's in a ST thread.
I was having a passionate debate with a mother who had incarcerated her daughter. And of course, the usual responders chimed in.
I went back today. There was a message from the mom, "I started this thread and am going to ask the moderator to end it. Enough is enough!"
I tried to login and reply, mostly to address her arrogance, but several times I got the error message that the password I provided was wrong.
Anyone else ever have this problem?
I imagine it could be a technical error, but it's never happened before. Will try again later.
Deborah

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I don't visit the "We've Been There" message board often due to the excessive pop ups and my slow connection, but this was posted a couple of days ago and wanted to share it with folks here. I really appreciated a former employee steping forward to tell the truth.
Deborah

What CEDU is Like from Former Therapist
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 I worked as a therapist for CEDU in Idaho for several years. I witnessed or heard testimony from kids, other workers and therapists outlining incredible staff ignorance, incompetence and finally a, so called,"clinical program" that was using Scientology, EST, Life Spring and Synanon techniques that amounted to nothing more than mind control, emotional manipulation, intimidation, social depravation and sexual degradation sanctioned by licensed and unlicensed PhDs. I spent several years working in the program to bring about positive change and some bit of humanity. I failed.

The best staff; the ones who really cared, would be extricated quickly. I fought from within, all the way up to the CEO, and was eventually forbidden from sending e mails of more than 3 sentences - nothing ever changed. I eventually started reporting to child protective services. CPS eventually said that they could not do adequate investigations on the funding they had - and left it to the local (good old boy) police who all have relatives and friends working at the school. Nothing ever changed. The kids were afraid to speak up. When they tried to talk to their parents, staff hung up at any mention of anything bad about the place.

I eventually called State Rural Treatment Center Licensing and spoke with two of their staff on three occasions - ( Mostly the main guy, Jim Pruitt) Inspections were done without talking to me, any therapists or the kids. Toothbrushes were checked. They acted like health inspectors for a restaurant and gave them a clean bill of health every time.

During one period of time, a girl's body wash was urinated in before she used it, boys masturbated into each other's sheets, there were blanket parties; a toilet plunger found with feces on it. Masturbation was ruled "out of agreement." A staff member yelled at a child caught with Victoria Secret pictures while playing the song "whip it, whip it good" in front of the whole school population. Then he was humiliated in a group rap session where kids were supposed to join in the retribution. There were girls and boys who had sex on a regular basis. No education was given, only long time outs (restrictions), bans against talking to friends, work assignments, yelling and shame. Once a female staff was placed in a workshop and asked to work on "her emotional stuff" by pretending to hump one of my boys while moaning that she liked it. Another of my boys was forced to stay alone in a room for about 2 months while given periodic interrogation sessions and yelling. Boys and girls are regularly placed at chairs in the center of the "house" or in corners where they would sit for weeks (state code forbids this but the state workers let it go on with their knowledge) writing things like "what I hate about myself" What are the things that make me a liar" How do I make my family ashamed" ad infinitum. Depressed children are frequently hospitalized at NIBH because this process would make them snap and become suicidal/ or homicidal - I participated in assessing several kids pushed to danger to self or others and arranged hospitalizations. The result, approximately 85% of child population on psychotropic medications to control their behavior and allow them to stay in the program. Workshops can require staff yelling slut, whore, dummy, idiot etc. and with signs placed on the walls as my kids reported.

Staff weren't treated much better. Program staff went through the same as above - clinicians didn't see it for obvious reasons. And, Idaho has no "right to work laws" so people on salary are not required to be given breaks or even limits to the hours they work. As a therapist I would see 9 to 11 children a day, attend raps, staffings meetings and field as many as 30 phone calls a week each lasting on half to one hour and attend several meetings and staffings whole running "so called" clinical supervision in the house and periodic unpaid on-call time. I eventually gave up attending Raps - closed two weekly group therapy sessions in order to cope and was still working 14 hour days frequently with no breaks - not even 10 minutes in a day. When I asked for help, they called it a time management problem. They were laying people off, and, therefore, over-working the remaining staff was the only way to squeeze more money out. I spoke up about being over worked and said that this affected quality of service at the "parent conference." Suddenly I was being called on the carpet at every turn. I saw that they were forcing me out, so I resigned and offered a long notice on the condition that I could give attention to the trauma my children would experience in losing me. In response the clinical director harassed me by calling in human resources and accusing me of everything they could make up while I continued to work 14 hour days on my four day week schedule. I eventually was unable to keep up and became so stressed I went home sick and they said this was an early resignation, forbid me from returning to campus and sent me my final pay.

If anyone ever thinks of sending a child to a CEDU school or working for one, I would not recommend it. If anyone believes their child is safe in Idaho because the State Department of Health and Welfare forget it. Idaho Child Protective Services will do Nothing, State Facilities Licensing has nothing but a token function and the local police have better things to do than look after locked up rich kids. In summary, there are no checks and balances in Idaho and I suspect in many other States. For example Washington State has safeguards and there are virtually no Emotional Growth Boarding Schools there.

Take heed that, after working with them, I see this whole Emotional Growth Boarding School industry as corrupt. This company recently settled out of court on charges or racketeering and child abuse. They shut down a choice wilderness program "On Track" after it was involved in the death of a child while doing a restraint. The Alexia Parks newspaper articles section on http://www.teenliberty.org See the We've Been There /Cedu bulletin board on the web for the awful history of CEDU and other such schools. Take heed.

Also, I can tell you first hand that most of the kids I have followed did "the CEDU act" (their words) through and at graduation "to get out" and then went back to smoking pot, drinking and having indiscriminate sex. I recommend that, you, instead of looking to this greedy industry, spend an inordinate amount of positive time with your kids. Recreate them and mentor them. Share your life with them. That is what they are crying out for.

These programs use the same techniques as cults and will temporarily change your child's behavior while he does some growing up over 2 years. Your child will look better behaved because he will know the "act" to get what he/she wants. They are conditioned to the "act." But your child is not a rat. He or she is a human being and deserves to be treated as such while he or she grows up. Aversive conditioning of children is not a therapeutically acceptable practice. I saw it's darkness, this industry, this practice. Unfortunately, you never will see the darkness directly, because they hide it so well. Don't make the same mistake I did and trust these people.

Mark Rist LCSW
Therapist

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Jamaica No Problem..says Tranquility Bay
« on: June 13, 2003, 09:19:00 PM »
The CR government indicated that 4 "feared" staff at Dundee were deported to Jamaica.
Kay says 'absolutely false'.
He speaks of Lichfield (Dundee) as if they were perfect strangers. The media can be a powerful tool when one wants to spin a web of illusion.


http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/news/htm ... ty_bay.asp

Jamaica no problem, says Tranquility Bay
 
BY PETRE WILLIAMS Observer staff reporter
Sunday, June 08, 2003
Excerpts
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At the same time, he [Kay] expressed reservations regarding the allegations about the Costa Rican facility, but said he would be outraged were they found to be true.

"If there are substantiated cases of abuses that have been alleged then I would not only be disturbed but I would be outraged. I fully support the government's investigation into such allegations. I think it's mandatory but I do feel the government could have approached things on a more proactive basis so as not to create such a chaotic situation at the school as has been reported," he said.

Added Kay: "I mean, I've been doing this about 10 years, and after dealing with thousands of kids quite often you'll find many embellishments in their report and that's not to say they are not accurate. But kids clearly operate on an agenda.

"A number of the kids that I have spoken to were at the facility in Costa Rica. First hand, they have not substantiated the allegations. But I haven't been there so it is hard for me to comment..." said Kay.

"Tranquility Bay is not abusive and I can supply kids who will say we are not abusive and who were there for two years..." he added.
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"We don't USUALLY have a problem there (at Tranquility Bay) with sanitation," a Health Department official WHO REQUESTED ANONYMITY told the Sunday Observer.

Added the official: "We do not have checks like monthly and so, but I would say once every three months. We look for wastewater disposal, sewage disposal, and pests. We look at the drainage, the canteen, and the bathrooms. And over the period we have never had any adverse conditions as such," the official said.

"You will find little things here and there that need to be remedied and we usually get that done. For instance, like at the canteen you would find a broken window or so and say, 'okay, get this put in place' and they USUALLY comply."
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Anonymity.. Usually..leaves alot to the imagination. Cleaver. Put ALL the focus on sanitation to minimize the abuse.
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"We haven't had any more incidents happening there since that one (suicide)," Corporal Allecia Stewart of the Constabulary Communication Network told the newspaper.

But she said the cops on patrol DID NOT ACTUALLY GO ON THE COMPOUND. "They just speak to personnel FROM THE OUTSIDE OF THE GATE to check to see if everything is fine."

Kay said the facility enjoyed a good relationship with Jamaican state agencies and he dismissed charges that his operation lacked transparency, saying he had no problem with people touring the facility, as long as the privacy of the teenagers was not compromised.
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"Everything's fine" must imply that there are no student uprisings or suicides. They obviously aren't there looking for abuse or neglect.
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The paper provides a message board and invites folks to "Talk Back" about this article. There is only one post which reads:

Posted by: Lou St. John  
Posted on: Monday, June 09, 2003 at 12:22:33 AM  
Location: Malvern, Jamaica  
Occupation: company director  
Comments: If "the cops on patrol did not actually go on the compound" how on earth do they know whether there are problems there or not. Maybe Jamaicans for Justice should drop in unexpectedly, or Amnesty International.
**********

Deborah

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Coronado Academy- Costa Rica
« on: June 13, 2003, 08:49:00 PM »
This posted at StrugglingTeens today. Anyone know if Coronado is what they say they are?

 ?Not Another Dundee?:
Coronado Academy Visited
By Tim Rogers
Tico Times Staff
http://www.ticotimes.net

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The Troubled Teen Industry / The Endless WWASP Debate
« on: June 10, 2003, 02:13:00 PM »
I have been listening to the debate "they do this", "no they don't" for so long (about 2-1/2 yrs), and feel quite exhausted with it today. I'm sure it will pass, but the debate just goes on and on and on. Not that it's a bad thing, we can't stop raising awareness. But I'm a solutions oriented type person. We could sit around for years identifying the problem, and trying to prove it exists.

I was daydreaming, and this thought occured. If I were Queen for a Day, I would assign a Watchdog to spend a month at a WWASP facility. Or, four Watchdogs for four consecutive weeks. Documenting, filming, interviewing, etc. The Watchdog(s) would make their way around to every program that exists.
Actually, if I were Queen they would be abolished  :scared:
One of you WWASP supporters please tell me where else in society are people treated so inhumanely? Oh yeh, I forgot,you don't believe it's happening.... :cry: we'll never get anywhere.

Well, back to reality...and the next round of "they are abusive"..."no, they aren't". :sad:

Deborah


[ This Message was edited by: Deborah on 2003-06-10 11:16 ]

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Dundee's Future Uncertain / News Article
« on: June 09, 2003, 12:31:00 AM »
http://www.nationalpost.com/search/site ... 9B5E7E4FAF

Teens' 'prison' closed
Schools for rebellious teenagers are accused of taking drastic, abusive measures

Excerpts:
Mrs. Slavis was so desperate, she hired escorts to take her daughter across the border and had her sedated. "I could not deal with it any more, so I arranged for the escorts to come pick her up. When you call the school, they tell you you can take your child yourself or they can give you some numbers of some escort services that have nothing to do with the school. [Her father and I] sedated her. I told her I was giving her antibiotics to have her tonsils out [but] I was giving her sedatives so she would not kick and scream. It worked and she was co-operative."

The raid on the school sparked a riot: Students who were told by authorities they were free to leave began trashing the buildings. Fernando Varjas, the Costa Rican prosecutor who oversaw the raid on the school, said Mr. Lichfield faces allegations amounting to systematic torture. He said families have told the authorities that some students were denied access to their parents, sometimes for up to a year, were hit in the face, pushed up against walls and restrained until their arm almost broke.

He said the authorities were unable to find any evidence that the facility was licensed by the Costa Rican government or that there were any staff members with professional qualifications.

Thomas Burton, a California lawyer, has filed eight lawsuits against a number of World Wide schools (not including Dundee Ranch), alleging false imprisonment and negligence, as well as misrepresentation and fraud. "You get the brochure and the video and it looks like a wholesome, happy place, an Outward Bound-type place," he said.

U.S. lawyers are also considering a class-action suit involving hundreds of families.

The U.S. Department of State recently issued a notice on the Internet about behaviour modification programs, warning parents that families typically sign a contract that gives the facilities blanket authorization to make judgments about their child's health and welfare.

In Mr. Burton's lawsuits, he names multiple defendants, including WWASPS, various individuals, escort services and Teen Help, which markets WWASPS programs. One suit claims that a child was taken from his home in the middle of the night and later moved to a jungle compound as part of a facility in Samoa, where it is alleged staff taped the boy's jaw shut with duct tape and put him in chains for three days.

The documents allege defendants promised parents a commission of one month's free enrolment, or cash, for new recruits and that seminars for parents were used to "blunt expected criticism from their children" and "convert them into unwitting supporters."

Karen Burnett, of Shepherdsville, Ky., who pulled her 17-year-old son, Nathan, out of Dundee Ranch after four months, said she became concerned when she noticed parents speaking "with a sameness" about the program. She said they would dismiss concerns about the treatment of students.

Like other parents, she found the school on the Internet. Mrs. Burnett, a housewife, used her inheritance to pay the bills, hoping her son would get help for his drug problems. She hired an escort and never visited the school.

She said her son was put in an Out of Population room, which he told her was a 12-foot-by-12-foot concrete space where children are sent as punishment. "For most of the time, he was on his knees, hands behind his back, face to the wall, for up to 12 hours a day. In Nathan's case it was for three days." The reason for his punishment, she said, was that he had traded his medicine for candy.

She said parents are told students cannot call home until they reach "level 3" in the program. She thought it would be weeks but it became apparent it would be months. "They had him on rations. Nathan told me when you get to level 3 you get juice."

"It is really a brainwashing technique. It's to keep them hungry, keep them stressed, break them down, emotionally, psychologically, get them to admit to their crimes, then build them back up. And in the building back up process ... you rebuild it in the way you want."

She said her son was not given any counselling for his drug problems and did not receive a proper education -- she said there were no teachers and the classes were run through computers.

Jeanne Drouillard, who grew up outside Windsor, Ont., and now lives in Michigan, had similar concerns when she sent her 15-year-old daughter Elena to a WWASPS school in New York called Academy at Ivy Ridge. Elena, who was adopted, had various anger management problems but Ms. Drouillard discovered there were no qualified therapists on staff. She was told she could pay extra to hire a psychologist. When she was denied visits with her daughter for seven months, she pulled her from the program, having spent close to $25,000. Her daughter told her the school used a system of control. As punishment, she was fed only bread and cheese for days.

Roderick Hall, a child psychologist, said he has been contacted by children who have been to WWASP schools and believes they are "abusive" in the way they claim to treat students. He said one girl told him she was drugged and woke up at a school in Mexico.

"She told me they were not allowed to write to or call their parents until they buy into the program and to gain privileges they had to ridicule the new kids. They often tell the parents they are treatment centres or boarding schools. They are really neither. I think they are private prisons."

Ken Kay, the WWASPS president, said families' allegations of abuse are "highly unlikely" and said the students cannot be trusted to tell the truth.

"You have to remember the student population we deal with. They are kids that, pretty much across the board, have had problems with being truthful ... frequently that is is why they end up in our schools." He denied that schools do not have qualified teachers and said therapists are "made available." The private facilities have many happy customers, he said.

Mrs. Slavis said she had her daughter "transported" to the school in Jamaica. Tranquility Bay's Web site shows pictures of sandy beaches and children taking dance lessons, reading books, working at computers and playing guitar.

Mrs. Slavis said she still believes in the schools. "They have had 15,000 graduates. I go to seminars for the parents and I meet a lot of graduates and happy parents who are still in the program. My daughter told me when she got restrained she deserved it. And when she got sent to the isolation room or the consequence room there was always a reason for it. And now she does not get sent any more."

[email protected]
 Copyright  2003 National Post

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The following was posted at strugglingteens on 3 June.
Deborah

Hello all,
I am a reporter for National Public Radio, based in Mexico City. I would like to be in touch with parents and (former)students of any WWASPS schools, for possible interviews. At the moment I am in Jamaica, en route to the Tranquility Bay school.

my email is [email protected].

My piece explores complaints against the schools AND includes the voices of those who've had positive experiences.

Thanks very much. Identities can be concealed if so requested.

--------------------
Gerry Hadden
NPR Mexico

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