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The Seed Discussion Forum / A seed of Hope
« on: June 26, 2004, 04:04:00 PM »
Anyone Seen it?  Remember it?

And most importantly, know where I can get a copy? If you have a vhs copy somewhere or an earlier format, I will pay shipping and handling and for an additional copy.  Please post your reply here anon or otherwise.

thank you.

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The Seed Discussion Forum / deleted post
« on: November 14, 2003, 12:56:00 PM »
Post Deleted. I am not about censoring ideas, but I will not tolerate disruptive drivel in this forum. Take it where it is appreciated...say...the Elan forum.

Thank you.



Apparantly, The Straight occupied the same building for some time after the Seed closed down.
Surprising?  Not hardly.

The Seed Discussion Forum / My image on the streets
« on: October 16, 2002, 12:50:00 PM »
I just had a  thought that made me laugh.

I was sitting at my desk at work and one of my co-workers said "sexy sadie".

This made me remember the "what was your image on the streets" raps.

Invariably, some girl would stand up and say "my image on the streets was sexy sadie".

Anyone else remmeber these inane raps we had? AS IF we were really ever "on the streets".  AS IF we had developed these well defined "images" and walked around pretending we were some comic book character.

Sexy sadie

freaky freddie

hysterical huey
Class clown

At least Art had a sense of humor. He must of cracked himself up coming up with this nonsense and then watching us parrot it back to him.

[ This Message was edited by: somejoker on 2002-10-16 12:26 ]

The Seed Discussion Forum / The Three Signs
« on: October 06, 2002, 10:45:00 PM »
Quick, this is a quiz, Name the three signs?

Couldn't do it, could you?

However, we spent every weekday in rules rap,the seven step rap and the three signs rap and sexual confession rap (boys and girls rap).

Okay, lets start with what the three signs were;

1) Think, think, think
2) First things first
3) easy does it.

They were posted on the wall, silly.

Next quiz question, what were the purpose of the three signs and the endless "raps" about these special powerfull tools that we used to get straight?

This is my take.  They were meaningless except as a demonstration of cultic submission. The actual content was so meaningless,You didn't even remember what they were, did you?(hahaha).

my explanation. The three signs were held up as one of the special methods Art  gifted us as tools to the straight seedling life.  In actuality, the "sign raps" were used, just like the rules rap, to demonstrate our submission to the group and our readiness to adopt  cultic group behavior.

We would enter into these raps in a weakened emotional and physical state. We would be tired, hungry restless. We were made to look straight ahead at the rap leader, to "motivate" our excitement at our participation, and weren't even allowed to sit back in our chair without knuckles poked and prodded into us from behind. Any failure to completely submit and comply, not matter how small, would result in immediate and severe punishment.

It would be then that the sign rap would begin. John Underwood or some other tyrant would come sit in the stool and bellow "Okay someone tell me what the first sign is and what it means to you".

This is when anyone actually thinking (ie: cult slang-getting into your head) would have to stop doing so and motivate his/her desire to answer this question.


"the first sign is Think, think think. This means to me that........"

Now, it was TOTALLY UNIMPORTANT what it meant to you. What was important was that you answered in the manner and method expected by the cult.

You had to answer the question in your own words but expousing the group philosophy. If it sounded insincere, you were "come down on" for giving "pat answers". If it was some alternative explanation derived from your actual thought process, you were in even bigger trouble.  What was important was that you could convincingly regurgitate the cultic line in your own words in a sincere and convincing fashion.

If you cleared these hurdles, the leader would say "okay, who can tell me the next sign?"

"first things first means to me to always put my sobriety ahea.........."

regurgitate cultic group identity/behavior.

What the three signs actually were mattered not one iota. what mattered was the regurgitation of the group meaning and the adoption of the group identity as your own.

The three signs could have easily been this;

1) jack be nimble jack be quick
2) run don't walk
3) slippery when wet.

The point being that the content was irrelevant, it was the action that mattered.


The Seed Discussion Forum / Questions, questions.
« on: August 16, 2002, 06:05:00 PM »
Could our new friend from Lauderdale please try to answer the following questions:

1) Art Barker claimed "13 years in adolescent drug treatment" during 1972. The seed had only been opened for two years. He used to say he had been at a place up North.
the question is:
Where did Art Barker get his experience. Was he a member of Synanon? Daytop?
2) Was it John Underwood or your brother that used to tell the story about having to bite a mouse in order to join a motorcycle gang?
3) What happened to Suzy Connor? Was she at the reunion?
4) What happened to Arthur? Was he at the reunion?
Thanks so much for your participation. How about posting a story about one of your experiences at the seed?

Did the Seed love Lakewood High?
Find out now!
thanks to Scott for sending me this.
In 1973-74,When I was in the Seed in the ninth Grade, the school newspaper interviewed students and seedlings for an article about the seed. I know some of the kids that responded by initials. and vividly remember this coming out. I didn't think I would ever see it again. Thanks again, Scott!
lakewood was a big school.The newspaper claimed "the seed is probably the greatest single issue to ever embroil Lakewood Students in conflict. Obviously this is because it effects almost every single student here".
Those of you who weren't there can't even imagine how much the Seed cult had invaded Lakewood. The Seed loves you license plate was even in our annual.
Anyway, here is a must see school newspaper that documents our torture, for your pleasure! Click on the image and a arrow should appear, click on that for full screen.

Enjoy, and please post your comments!!!!!!

The Seed Discussion Forum / Libby
« on: June 13, 2002, 10:04:00 PM »
So Escaper went to high School with Libby. Libby came to St Pete and was senior Staff. Somewhere in there Art Barker married Shelly, whom we all suspect was in the program in Ft Lauderdale, just a young twit, and then adopted Libby. Libby apparently disowned her parents and became Libby Barker. Sometime later, she married another Seedling that has early as last year, not contacted his family in 20 some years.
I saw a picture of her taken in December with Art and Shelly. Art looks about 100, Shelly looks about 25, and Libby looks about 45. They all have their arms around each other in seedling fashion. Makes you wanna yell something about something sucking.

The Seed Discussion Forum / Thanks to all
« on: May 23, 2002, 11:05:00 AM »
We finally hit the big time media.  Due to the tireless efforts of Ginger Warbis for exposing the program for what is really is, a rabid viscious destructive cult, due to Wes Fager for his unending documented research into specific abuses, corporate papershuffling, and research into the origins of the program, to the webhosts of various forums that have finally given a voice and validation to the survivors,and to all survivors of abuse that have come to terms with their childhood demons and spoke out, the truth is coming to light.  Thanks to all of you.

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