Hey, Somejoker, thankfully you aren`t one. Here`s my take on the Art and Shelley thing. Art was schlepping shelley along before I came into contact with that horrid place that consumed my family. I was always under the impression that they were married before the mind rape mill was conceived. I may be wrong as I have squandered much of my mental power trying to forget the whole experience until the first message board on Homestead arrived on the scene. Then I as many more were compelled to relive and in some instances remember for the first time some of the dogma that was left on our psychological sidewalks. Facts are scarce in this head, but that was my impression at that very forgettable juncture. Having escaped relatively unscathed, other than leaving two younger sibs sitting there without even a goodbye, I doubt my own ability to remember anything accurately, as I burned out after doing the older message board after about 3 months of non-stop thinking. I have read that G has archived or imported the older stuff and made it available to this forum. Not savvy enough to get it on my screen, but if you can, there is some very insightful stuff there. Maybe you were a contributor, I don`t know, but she says anyone can pick up on thier old handle and carry the torch into the present. What a cleansing thing for the hundreds who have often wondered, Was it me or what?