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Benchmark Young Adult School / Benchmark Transitions / Re: Psy was definitely not abused.
« on: October 05, 2009, 03:45:32 PM »
No just the ones that don't tolerate your crap.
We are relentless.
CG
We are relentless.
CG
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Open Free for All / Re: Fornits dirty little secret
« on: October 05, 2009, 03:34:18 PM »
Guest,
You really are damaged goods. Life must really suck for you.
CG
You really are damaged goods. Life must really suck for you.
CG
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Benchmark Young Adult School / Benchmark Transitions / Re: Psy was definitely not abused.
« on: October 04, 2009, 06:10:35 PM »
Well,
you can choose which one you'd like smacked upside your head, in your mouth or up your ass. Remember, you have choices, I won't think less of you.
CG
you can choose which one you'd like smacked upside your head, in your mouth or up your ass. Remember, you have choices, I won't think less of you.
CG
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Open Free for All / Re: Fornits dirty little secret
« on: October 04, 2009, 06:07:44 PM »
That is exactly what Ken has said. Exactly. Believe me I know. Either you learned it from him or you are him.
You really are a CALO misfit aren't you? What are you protecting? Your job, your ass, your cash flow or all of the above? Because you surely aren't protecting the kids.
Oh yea, you live in never never land, I forgot.
CALO is part of the problem idiot. You are of the same mentality of zero tolerance morons and those that helps build victims from the 1st grade on.
CG
You really are a CALO misfit aren't you? What are you protecting? Your job, your ass, your cash flow or all of the above? Because you surely aren't protecting the kids.
Oh yea, you live in never never land, I forgot.
CALO is part of the problem idiot. You are of the same mentality of zero tolerance morons and those that helps build victims from the 1st grade on.
CG
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Benchmark Young Adult School / Benchmark Transitions / Re: Psy was definitely not abused.
« on: October 04, 2009, 05:49:07 PM »
Psy,
Way to go...kick guests' teeth in.
By the way, CALO does the exact same thing. They deny individuals their therapy records as well and keep the money to boot, they cite confidentiality or non payment of last months tuition or some garbage like that. When pushed, Ken even likes to yell at the parents and make threats. Seems a recurring theme. 2.5 hours of "therapy" for $10K a month, deny parents what is legally theirs, pretend to deliver trust of care, free slave labor...use the kids as landscapers and janitors....What a joke. They told us the children would have 24/7 access to professional therapists. I guess that meant 2.5 hrs of a licensed therapist telling us "how does that make YOU feel" and 21.5 hrs of some uneducated kid making $9.00/hr for the rest. JOKE JOKE BS BS BS and one more JOKE. + more BS.
Guest is some seriously damaged goods. But it's good to know they exist and good to have a defense against them, the truth and the law, and if that doesn't work, a big stick when necessary.
CG
Way to go...kick guests' teeth in.
By the way, CALO does the exact same thing. They deny individuals their therapy records as well and keep the money to boot, they cite confidentiality or non payment of last months tuition or some garbage like that. When pushed, Ken even likes to yell at the parents and make threats. Seems a recurring theme. 2.5 hours of "therapy" for $10K a month, deny parents what is legally theirs, pretend to deliver trust of care, free slave labor...use the kids as landscapers and janitors....What a joke. They told us the children would have 24/7 access to professional therapists. I guess that meant 2.5 hrs of a licensed therapist telling us "how does that make YOU feel" and 21.5 hrs of some uneducated kid making $9.00/hr for the rest. JOKE JOKE BS BS BS and one more JOKE. + more BS.
Guest is some seriously damaged goods. But it's good to know they exist and good to have a defense against them, the truth and the law, and if that doesn't work, a big stick when necessary.
CG
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The Troubled Teen Industry / Re: CALO legitimate program
« on: October 02, 2009, 07:03:42 PM »
Guest wrote "You want Ken's butt because he failed in his fiduciary duty to give you your money's worth by not punishing and torturing enough. And you say they are same"
So guest, as a paid CALO representative are you admitting to punishing and torturing those kids...or just not "enough"?
Please tell and drop me a line. I'd very much like to have a conversation with you.
CG
So guest, as a paid CALO representative are you admitting to punishing and torturing those kids...or just not "enough"?
Please tell and drop me a line. I'd very much like to have a conversation with you.
CG
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The Troubled Teen Industry / Re: Do you think programs help troubled teens?
« on: October 02, 2009, 06:57:55 PM »
I don't think YOU get it.
"Pain in the ass teenager" shouldn't go the the programs, that is where discipline and consequences comes in. Dangerous, drug addict, drug dealing, law breaking, property destructing, actively hurting-weaker-kids teenager" should go to program or to juvee. Because these kids are out of control and whomever is raising them failed to to their job.
You all seem to think only the misunderstood rebellious youth with a chip on their shoulder goes to programs. If your parents sent you there because you're a pain in the ass, your parents have some real issues which are beyond my comprehension. I'm not putting them down, I just don't understand this impotent mentality.
If are a dangerous, teenage, in-the-making career criminal, then you need to get set straight, period. If your parents can't do it and the program didn't do, then jail might, if jail doesn't, then the individual who's child your harm next, or string out on drugs, or molest, definately will, and they won't care about the law. When you are begging for your life, all your bullshit that you spew here won't matter will it? If you don't believe in some form of higher being, I'll bet money you will in your last moment.
For some of you, choose well, your life will depend on it. If you are as tough and smart as you claim to be, and from the much more "diverse" east or west coast, you should already know this. For the misunderstood rebellious types, have as much fun as you want to, don't hurt no one, don't make drugs a lifestyle, grow up a little bit, in time you will learn what we know, and you'll make it just fine.
But, If you really want to help shut these useless places down, get off your ass and do something about it.
CG
"Pain in the ass teenager" shouldn't go the the programs, that is where discipline and consequences comes in. Dangerous, drug addict, drug dealing, law breaking, property destructing, actively hurting-weaker-kids teenager" should go to program or to juvee. Because these kids are out of control and whomever is raising them failed to to their job.
You all seem to think only the misunderstood rebellious youth with a chip on their shoulder goes to programs. If your parents sent you there because you're a pain in the ass, your parents have some real issues which are beyond my comprehension. I'm not putting them down, I just don't understand this impotent mentality.
If are a dangerous, teenage, in-the-making career criminal, then you need to get set straight, period. If your parents can't do it and the program didn't do, then jail might, if jail doesn't, then the individual who's child your harm next, or string out on drugs, or molest, definately will, and they won't care about the law. When you are begging for your life, all your bullshit that you spew here won't matter will it? If you don't believe in some form of higher being, I'll bet money you will in your last moment.
For some of you, choose well, your life will depend on it. If you are as tough and smart as you claim to be, and from the much more "diverse" east or west coast, you should already know this. For the misunderstood rebellious types, have as much fun as you want to, don't hurt no one, don't make drugs a lifestyle, grow up a little bit, in time you will learn what we know, and you'll make it just fine.
But, If you really want to help shut these useless places down, get off your ass and do something about it.
CG
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The Troubled Teen Industry / Re: Do you think programs help troubled teens?
« on: October 02, 2009, 06:32:23 PM »
"Hello,
I was reading this thread earlier. It is clear many of you still have anger towards abusive programs. CALO was established by professionals who have a record of helping troubled teens become successful in life. CALO graduates hold steady jobs, have good relationships with their parents and are drug/alcohol free. I am saddened by the anger you have towards staff that helped you.
Landon Kirk"
Well Landon, you were not help at all, you even actively denied help when needed.
You are all liars. When your feet was held to the fire you all decided to refuse to help, withheld information, denied requests, skirted issues, pointed fingers like the cowards you are. When asked the real hard questions, you provided no answers, and manipulated the truth. Your trust of care is a slogan, no one in your managment lives up to the B.S. you sell to the parents.
To the other "guest" who stated "I'm not happy because CALO didn't abuse or punish enough"....then....as a CALO representative are you warranting that you do abuse and punish, just not enough for my standards?
I've met some people at CALO that I think do care, but they are very low staff membersf and I can only name two. I have not met anyone in CALOs upper management that cares about anything other than the cash flow or covering their own asses.
If you have proof CALO, publish it. Because when I asked for it you couldn't cite even one case.
Explain that.
CG
I was reading this thread earlier. It is clear many of you still have anger towards abusive programs. CALO was established by professionals who have a record of helping troubled teens become successful in life. CALO graduates hold steady jobs, have good relationships with their parents and are drug/alcohol free. I am saddened by the anger you have towards staff that helped you.
Landon Kirk"
Well Landon, you were not help at all, you even actively denied help when needed.
You are all liars. When your feet was held to the fire you all decided to refuse to help, withheld information, denied requests, skirted issues, pointed fingers like the cowards you are. When asked the real hard questions, you provided no answers, and manipulated the truth. Your trust of care is a slogan, no one in your managment lives up to the B.S. you sell to the parents.
To the other "guest" who stated "I'm not happy because CALO didn't abuse or punish enough"....then....as a CALO representative are you warranting that you do abuse and punish, just not enough for my standards?
I've met some people at CALO that I think do care, but they are very low staff membersf and I can only name two. I have not met anyone in CALOs upper management that cares about anything other than the cash flow or covering their own asses.
If you have proof CALO, publish it. Because when I asked for it you couldn't cite even one case.
Explain that.
CG
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Hyde Schools / Re: What Bullies know about Bullying
« on: September 30, 2009, 06:51:41 PM »
Ursus,
I am not one to strip away individual rights in any form. I'm a firm believer that those who sacrifice essential liberties for temporary security deserve neither.
My point is that children need to be taught how to handle real life situations that are appropriate for the circumstances, hence, a measured response. Zero tolerance does not teach a measured responce, i.e. you shouldn't get the death penalty for stealing a gum ball. In the school setting, a child who stands up for themselves and knocks out a bully should never be suspended, maybe they should get an award. What is wrong with rewarding good and punishing the bad?
We have a curriculum in school that someone has decided what is best for our children, I'm OK with that as long as freedoms are protected and no-one is usurping my family values, the rest should be taught at home. The kids can question them all they want and I'm OK with different perspectives and will even instruct my children on what those are. But I'd prefer to protect my values than have my child subjected to some fundamentalist suicide bomber's or the gangbanger herion dealer down the street. At least until my children have some idea of a "common sense" moral compass, hopefully developed before they are 18.
However, we don't teach our older children common sense, how to live within your means, how to balance a check book, real conflict resolution, with the last step being self defense. How to look out and protect weaker kids etc etc. In many public shools, policy is "violence is never an acceptable solution". I say garbage. Violence, in the only acceptable legal form, self defense, has an ABSOLUTE place in all our lives, hence the reason for the 2nd Amendment. Otherwise we teach kids it's OK to be a victim, because others will protect you.
This kind of thinking is what leads to more victims.
Don't you think if we taught children how to handle bullies according to real life legally acceptable ways, there would be less bullies in the world?
If we teach all children to look out for the weak and those who cannot defend themselves, what bully would ever want to bully when 4 or 5 weaker people stand together as a team?
I believe, because there is no true outlet for handling bullies in the school systems today, kids are resorting to desperate means such as shooting up their class mates rather than just boxing it out.
In my schools, grammer and highschool, we were allowed to box it out if we were evenly matched, no-one held a grudge, and then we became freinds instead of plotting against each other, or building bombs in our garages. Some of my best friends now are people I've fought with as kids. Testing each others limits is normal, especially for children.
CG
I am not one to strip away individual rights in any form. I'm a firm believer that those who sacrifice essential liberties for temporary security deserve neither.
My point is that children need to be taught how to handle real life situations that are appropriate for the circumstances, hence, a measured response. Zero tolerance does not teach a measured responce, i.e. you shouldn't get the death penalty for stealing a gum ball. In the school setting, a child who stands up for themselves and knocks out a bully should never be suspended, maybe they should get an award. What is wrong with rewarding good and punishing the bad?
We have a curriculum in school that someone has decided what is best for our children, I'm OK with that as long as freedoms are protected and no-one is usurping my family values, the rest should be taught at home. The kids can question them all they want and I'm OK with different perspectives and will even instruct my children on what those are. But I'd prefer to protect my values than have my child subjected to some fundamentalist suicide bomber's or the gangbanger herion dealer down the street. At least until my children have some idea of a "common sense" moral compass, hopefully developed before they are 18.
However, we don't teach our older children common sense, how to live within your means, how to balance a check book, real conflict resolution, with the last step being self defense. How to look out and protect weaker kids etc etc. In many public shools, policy is "violence is never an acceptable solution". I say garbage. Violence, in the only acceptable legal form, self defense, has an ABSOLUTE place in all our lives, hence the reason for the 2nd Amendment. Otherwise we teach kids it's OK to be a victim, because others will protect you.
This kind of thinking is what leads to more victims.
Don't you think if we taught children how to handle bullies according to real life legally acceptable ways, there would be less bullies in the world?
If we teach all children to look out for the weak and those who cannot defend themselves, what bully would ever want to bully when 4 or 5 weaker people stand together as a team?
I believe, because there is no true outlet for handling bullies in the school systems today, kids are resorting to desperate means such as shooting up their class mates rather than just boxing it out.
In my schools, grammer and highschool, we were allowed to box it out if we were evenly matched, no-one held a grudge, and then we became freinds instead of plotting against each other, or building bombs in our garages. Some of my best friends now are people I've fought with as kids. Testing each others limits is normal, especially for children.
CG
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The Troubled Teen Industry / Re: Do you think programs help troubled teens?
« on: September 30, 2009, 01:58:09 PM »
In an ideal situation and in an pefect world, doing your homework, gathering the data, getting testimonials, pros and cons etc etc, before sending a child to a program would be the best case scenario. I can expect that this process could take in the range of 6 months to a year or longer.
However, it is never an ideal situation when you are challenged the most and when lives are at risk. Most people that have lived life beyond the teen years know that your challenge will come when you are least prepared and at the worst time you can imagine. That is why people should hope for the best and prepare for the worst.
If someone was dying of a heart attack, I wouldn't sit around and consult a medical book, call some friends and ask them what to do, wait for a couple of weeks to get testimonials, I'd just call an ambulance, give the poor soul some CPR and hope for the best. But if it's their time, then no matter what we do, it's their time. Some people don't want help and just can't be helped, but and here's what many don't understand. Let's forget about the morality of the issue because we all know no one will agree on that, it is our LEGAL obligation to do so as well.
Parents are thrown into impossible situations sometimes. If you discipline your child, Ken will call you an abuser and the child needs to contact DCFS, your teachers at school will encourage this, and even make the report for you. If you let your child run wild, neighbors call DCFS and your other children are pulled out of the house. If the wild child does something illegal or commits an adult crime, the state can charge the parents as well as the kid for certain offences.
But with that said, you're assuming all parents just send kids off to camp as a knee-jerk decision. Some parents didn't really have a choice in the matter to begin with. Choices have to be made and the squeaky wheel doesn't always get the oil.
I agree also that in jail you may have more freedoms than in a program, but you will be brainwashed there too. Gangs will do it for you and you won't have a choice, you'll hook up or die. You can even become a jailhouse attorney, but all your clients will be locked up with you.
In a program, you may only stay for a year or two. In jail, you may stay for life, risk rape and/or death on a daily basis. But hell, some people need to be told what to do 24/7, and actually forced to do it, way beyond what your programs do. Jail will virtually guarantee you turn out to be a career criminal, then we are on the concealed carry argument again.
So choose well. Remember at 18 you'll be free to choose whatever path you like. But don't complain to us when a judge hands down a 30 year sentence.
A judge won't care about your teenage belief system, your arguments, brusing your inner-child or taking he punishment out of relationships. Your parents will be devastated to see you go, but hell, what do we know, we are the reason you got there in the first place, right?
All Excuses. Grow up, get an education and become something useful to future generations, If you can't do that, join the military and let them help you if you can't stay self-disciplined.
CG
However, it is never an ideal situation when you are challenged the most and when lives are at risk. Most people that have lived life beyond the teen years know that your challenge will come when you are least prepared and at the worst time you can imagine. That is why people should hope for the best and prepare for the worst.
If someone was dying of a heart attack, I wouldn't sit around and consult a medical book, call some friends and ask them what to do, wait for a couple of weeks to get testimonials, I'd just call an ambulance, give the poor soul some CPR and hope for the best. But if it's their time, then no matter what we do, it's their time. Some people don't want help and just can't be helped, but and here's what many don't understand. Let's forget about the morality of the issue because we all know no one will agree on that, it is our LEGAL obligation to do so as well.
Parents are thrown into impossible situations sometimes. If you discipline your child, Ken will call you an abuser and the child needs to contact DCFS, your teachers at school will encourage this, and even make the report for you. If you let your child run wild, neighbors call DCFS and your other children are pulled out of the house. If the wild child does something illegal or commits an adult crime, the state can charge the parents as well as the kid for certain offences.
But with that said, you're assuming all parents just send kids off to camp as a knee-jerk decision. Some parents didn't really have a choice in the matter to begin with. Choices have to be made and the squeaky wheel doesn't always get the oil.
I agree also that in jail you may have more freedoms than in a program, but you will be brainwashed there too. Gangs will do it for you and you won't have a choice, you'll hook up or die. You can even become a jailhouse attorney, but all your clients will be locked up with you.
In a program, you may only stay for a year or two. In jail, you may stay for life, risk rape and/or death on a daily basis. But hell, some people need to be told what to do 24/7, and actually forced to do it, way beyond what your programs do. Jail will virtually guarantee you turn out to be a career criminal, then we are on the concealed carry argument again.
So choose well. Remember at 18 you'll be free to choose whatever path you like. But don't complain to us when a judge hands down a 30 year sentence.
A judge won't care about your teenage belief system, your arguments, brusing your inner-child or taking he punishment out of relationships. Your parents will be devastated to see you go, but hell, what do we know, we are the reason you got there in the first place, right?
All Excuses. Grow up, get an education and become something useful to future generations, If you can't do that, join the military and let them help you if you can't stay self-disciplined.
CG
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The Troubled Teen Industry / Re: Do you think programs help troubled teens?
« on: September 29, 2009, 11:51:08 PM »
I think all those with some brain power realize that these programs do not help kids.
For you kids out there, if your parents sent you to the programs for simple offensives, truancy, and one time events, then they deserve what you say about them, and you deserve to be angry. I just can't imagine that a parent would do this. That is why I have a hard time believing what you say.
In many cases there is a real risk of someone getting hurt or killed. If you were out there committing crimes, actual crimes, or stringing some other poor kid out on drugs, then you are there because you got yourself there. Your parents probably turned to a program as a last final resort because they knew where you were headed, jail. So think what you want, but if you think a program is worse than jail, then get sent there and report back to us in 10 years.
CALO will claim they have helped, but when cornered, Iike I have cornered them, they quickly crumble. They don't provide anything to demonstrate that their model actually works. They refuse to demonstrate to the parents proof their model works, they have even admitted their model is new and unproven, they will never disclose financial information regarding their program, and they don't have to unless a judge orders or the IRS audits. Still, it may not be made public information. But so what, we all know why it's so expensive and we know parents will pay anything to help a child if they really love them. Whether you think it's right or wrong. CALO knows we know too, but they can tell us to go pound sand until we make them disclose it.
You all moan about the loopholes and cite your constitutional rights and arguments etc etc, but the fact is that most states consider you the parents property (for the lack of a better term) unless you commit adult crimes. This is shitty for you, but actual real life for the rest of us who have paid our dues. Maybe you should consider doing something about this, the law is the law, if you have problems with it, then change it, close the loopholes you detest so much. Decide for yourself if you are a person that's going to sit on the sidelines or a person that will take action. Be careful though, make sure you take action that is legal or else you'll have more consequences to gripe about. There is a process in this country for you to take, so do it, make it happen and running away isn't the answer.
If you are criminals and have done criminal things, you belong there, or possibly even jail. if you have not, then I don't think you belong there, it's simple. What isn't simple is how other parents feel about this and what their position is or what their morality is. Until you are 18, your parents direction counts for something. But don't expect society to put up with further criminal behavior if that is where you are headed.
Get up and take action if you are as smart, intelligent, dedicated and motivated as you say you are. If you are serious, adults will take you seriously. If your acting like a spoiled brat, adults will treat you as such.
CG
For you kids out there, if your parents sent you to the programs for simple offensives, truancy, and one time events, then they deserve what you say about them, and you deserve to be angry. I just can't imagine that a parent would do this. That is why I have a hard time believing what you say.
In many cases there is a real risk of someone getting hurt or killed. If you were out there committing crimes, actual crimes, or stringing some other poor kid out on drugs, then you are there because you got yourself there. Your parents probably turned to a program as a last final resort because they knew where you were headed, jail. So think what you want, but if you think a program is worse than jail, then get sent there and report back to us in 10 years.
CALO will claim they have helped, but when cornered, Iike I have cornered them, they quickly crumble. They don't provide anything to demonstrate that their model actually works. They refuse to demonstrate to the parents proof their model works, they have even admitted their model is new and unproven, they will never disclose financial information regarding their program, and they don't have to unless a judge orders or the IRS audits. Still, it may not be made public information. But so what, we all know why it's so expensive and we know parents will pay anything to help a child if they really love them. Whether you think it's right or wrong. CALO knows we know too, but they can tell us to go pound sand until we make them disclose it.
You all moan about the loopholes and cite your constitutional rights and arguments etc etc, but the fact is that most states consider you the parents property (for the lack of a better term) unless you commit adult crimes. This is shitty for you, but actual real life for the rest of us who have paid our dues. Maybe you should consider doing something about this, the law is the law, if you have problems with it, then change it, close the loopholes you detest so much. Decide for yourself if you are a person that's going to sit on the sidelines or a person that will take action. Be careful though, make sure you take action that is legal or else you'll have more consequences to gripe about. There is a process in this country for you to take, so do it, make it happen and running away isn't the answer.
If you are criminals and have done criminal things, you belong there, or possibly even jail. if you have not, then I don't think you belong there, it's simple. What isn't simple is how other parents feel about this and what their position is or what their morality is. Until you are 18, your parents direction counts for something. But don't expect society to put up with further criminal behavior if that is where you are headed.
Get up and take action if you are as smart, intelligent, dedicated and motivated as you say you are. If you are serious, adults will take you seriously. If your acting like a spoiled brat, adults will treat you as such.
CG
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Hyde Schools / Re: What Bullies know about Bullying
« on: September 29, 2009, 12:48:44 PM »
What about teaching them reality including self-defence instead of zero tolerance policies?
zero tolerance doesn't work in the real world. Why? Because it doesn't teach a measured response which has been the basis of common law for centuries.
You didn't stop Hitler by negotiating, appeasing him or employing the conflict resolution model, if someone did, I'll gladly change my position.
How many countries do we have in the world, over 180? How many wars going on concurrently, over 120? What gives? After all, shouldn't they be able to just talk this out?
Let's try teaching the truth for a while, and expecting people to act responsibly, and when they don't, make them, according to the measured response model. This way, no-one's spirit will be broken, independent, free-thinkers are welcome to do as such, as long as they don't hurt anyone.
CG
zero tolerance doesn't work in the real world. Why? Because it doesn't teach a measured response which has been the basis of common law for centuries.
You didn't stop Hitler by negotiating, appeasing him or employing the conflict resolution model, if someone did, I'll gladly change my position.
How many countries do we have in the world, over 180? How many wars going on concurrently, over 120? What gives? After all, shouldn't they be able to just talk this out?
Let's try teaching the truth for a while, and expecting people to act responsibly, and when they don't, make them, according to the measured response model. This way, no-one's spirit will be broken, independent, free-thinkers are welcome to do as such, as long as they don't hurt anyone.
CG
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Hyde Schools / Re: What Bullies know about Bullying
« on: September 28, 2009, 04:01:49 AM »
@CG
Didn't you read the unknown asshole with his head up his ass part???
CG
Didn't you read the unknown asshole with his head up his ass part???
CG
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The Troubled Teen Industry / Re: I have to make a chess move.
« on: September 28, 2009, 03:42:45 AM »
My fist to your broken teeth, again and again.
Hope you like the taste,
CG
Hope you like the taste,
CG
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Hyde Schools / Re: What Bullies know about Bullying
« on: September 28, 2009, 03:20:47 AM »
Your a real clown, dumb ass and shit eater if you can't read between the lines. I'm not talking to you fool.
CG
CG