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The Troubled Teen Industry / drug addicts don't want to get clean
« on: November 17, 2007, 12:56:42 PM »
Quote from: ""TheWho""
Quote from: ""Deborah""
No you're not a victim. You're a pretentious prick. I never changed the content of your posts and you know it. YOU are the one who attempted to cause people concern about the safety of posting. I can't see where your whining allegations made one whit of difference on this forum.
 
Yeh, I agree, things need to be brought out in the open and discussed. That's why I asked you a direct question. Answer it. Why did you post a blatant lie about me?

Balls are used for playing games. They have nothing to do with honesty or integrity.

Yes you did, Deb, and you deleted them many times.  This Has already been established and it is old news.. lets drop it.. the database seems to be secure now.

I posted information, about you, that I read here on fornits about a year ago.  It isn’t something that I made up.


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You had a child, which you lost control of, sent away to a program… is it fair for us to say you sat around and did nothing while your kid was sent away? Should we judge your actions and speculate on the lack of parenting skills that led you (the mother) to lose custody of her own children? Courts typically don’t take kids away from their mother very easily… should we all say we cant relate and your lack of parenting is “Mind blowingâ€

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The Troubled Teen Industry / drug addicts don't want to get clean
« on: November 17, 2007, 04:04:21 AM »
Quote from: ""Che Gookin""
Quote from: ""Deborah""
No you're not a victim. You're a pretentious prick. I never changed the content of your posts and you know it. YOU are the one who attempted to cause people concern about the safety of posting. I can't see where your whining allegations made one whit of difference on this forum.

Well.. there are no more public admins. So I wouldn't say his concerns were totally ignored. Perhaps they were ignored by you, but not by others.

If you're going to butt in, the least you could do is pay attention. I said nothing about Who's concerns being ignored. I said his whining allegations about his posts being altered may have created concern for others. I was speaking to this

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Your silence about changing my posts and inability to address conflict cost this website a lot, in my opinion. It was a major topic for 6 months which didn’t do much to attract new business or users..


A major topic for 6 months?  Didn't do much to attract new business or users?

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Open Free for All / China Laces Toys with Ecstacy
« on: November 17, 2007, 03:11:16 AM »
Clearly you don't have children, but are you a scientist? I'm not.
Are you saying that 1,4-butanediol doesn't metabolize into GHB?
If not, then go edit Wiki
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1,4-Butanediol
and notify Reuters
http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/ ... 2120071107

So, they should leave this product on the shelves so other kids can have the delightful experience of puking their guts out and coma? Death wasn't mentioned.
While 4-7 year old are less likely to ingest them, younger siblings that happen to find them lying around might. The beads are not large enough to be a choke hazard.

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Open Free for All / China Laces Toys with Ecstacy
« on: November 17, 2007, 02:00:42 AM »
(NewsTarget) The next time you see your infant enjoying a new made-in-China toy, you might want to check to make sure he's not having too much of a good time: A recent discovery reveals that toys called "Aqua Dots" are coated with a chemical similar to liquid ectasy. When children eat the Aqua Dots (which they're not supposed to do, but they're children, after all), they go into an ectasy-induced coma. Six children have fallen ill in Australia where the toys are marketed as Bindeez. Manufacturers and distributors of the product are pulling it off the shelves in North America and around the world. It's the latest in a long string of health scares from Mainland China's product manufacturers.

The chemical culprit of all this is 1,4-butanediol, which breaks down into gamma hydroxy butyrate, also known as the "date rape drug." This drug is obviously not supposed to be used in children's toys, but then again we're talking about manufacturers from Communist China, where it seems that anything goes as long as western retailers close their eyes and don't bother to conduct safety tests on these products. (Dog food, anyone?)

All this follows the recent, astonishing announcement by Nancy Nord of the U.S. government's Consumer Product Safety Commission (CPSC) that there's really no need to enhance the safety monitoring of consumer products in the United States. Under orders from the White House, Nord insisted that the CPSC didn't need any increase in funding, and that businesses should essentially remain unregulated. Nancy Nord, who is now widely regarded as a pro-business Bush puppet, jetted around the world on trips paid for by some of the very same wealthy corporations who don't want consumer product safety regulations.

Not surprisingly, virtually everyone following this issue is outraged at both Nancy Nord and the Bush Administration for apparently having no concern whatsoever for the safety of U.S. consumers. But why should this surprise us? The FDA openly approves dangerous pharmaceuticals that even the agency's own top scientists admit are killing at least a hundred thousand Americans each year. What's a little ectasy in children's toys when senior citizens on medications are dropping faster than the U.S. dollar?
http://www.newstarget.com/022250.html

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« on: November 17, 2007, 01:54:17 AM »
Quote from: ""Antigen""
Quote from: ""Guest""
Since you own the place, at least take some responsibility for the actions of the psychos you alllow to post here.

Are you asking me to ban you? Practice some self control, woman! I'm not yo mama.


 ::roflmao::

Are you suggesting that Ginger is "at cause in your life"?
Um, your slipping. Better Work the Program.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / drug addicts don't want to get clean
« on: November 17, 2007, 12:48:31 AM »
No you're not a victim. You're a pretentious prick. I never changed the content of your posts and you know it. YOU are the one who attempted to cause people concern about the safety of posting. I can't see where your whining allegations made one whit of difference on this forum.
 
Yeh, I agree, things need to be brought out in the open and discussed. That's why I asked you a direct question. Answer it. Why did you post a blatant lie about me?

Balls are used for playing games. They have nothing to do with honesty or integrity.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / drug addicts don't want to get clean
« on: November 16, 2007, 07:32:55 PM »
Quote from: ""Guest""
It doesn't matter if THE WHO is this "Alan Newman" or not.  Posting this was just wrong.  Privacy on FORNITS is the issue.
Psy was wrong to post this; and he has apologized.


I guess "wrong" is a matter of perspective.

Was this "wrong"

http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?p=295925#295925
Quote from: "TheWho"
Deborah, why do you continue to judge people you don’t know?  How awful to prejudge people like that!! She may have a dying mother at home and having the Akers bring Emily home may be the fastest route to have them all together.  The mother may have been persuaded by Emily to stay with “her motherâ€

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The Troubled Teen Industry / drug addicts don't want to get clean
« on: November 16, 2007, 03:38:30 PM »
It was an interesting thread. I didn't know he had an interest in Hyde, and then maybe he didn't, just feeling a need to trolls the Hyde posters as an ex Hyde participant. Remeber his posts in that thread were originally anon. After they were assigned to his username he edited the post.

http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... t=0#152363

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« on: November 16, 2007, 12:17:20 PM »
Quote from: ""Dysfunction Junction""
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On 2006-01-18 21:15:00, Antigen wrote:
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On 2006-01-18 20:55:00, Anonymous wrote:
Just want to make sure I've got it right.
Are you saying you don't think that DJ has outed persons on this site, posting personal info about them?

No, I really don't think he has. Can you show me an example? I think he reads quite a lot of industry related material and you post around quite a bit. And you've got that distinctive style. It ain't rocket science; you scatter the details of your life all over the net then whine when someone pays you the high compliment of reading and paying attention to what you write.

That's exactly it.  You hit it right on the head.  This lady put all her business out there on the internet where anyone can view it.

Example:
From Strugglingteens:

Profile for Gentiana
Member Status: Junior Member
Member Number: 4461
Registered: November 11, 2004
Posts: 2
Location: Minnesota
Occupation: psychology doctoral student
Interests: running reading gardening painting
What is your purpose in registering on this Board? (Specifics Please): support for other parents; my son is a successful RMA grad (1999)
email: [email protected]
Posts: 2 | From: Minnesota | Registered: Nov 2004 | Logged: 24.118.46.231 |

_________________________________________________
Here's a trace of her IP address:
IP Address 24.118.46.231 US UNITED STATES MINNESOTA ST. PAUL COMCAST CABLE COMMUNICATIONS HOLDINGS INC
_________________________________________________
From Cedualumni:
Username Real name School
Gentiana Anne Hall Rocky Mountain
________________________________________________
YOU put it out there, Anne.  I and a few others just read it.  This is fundamentally different from what SHH has done.  

I NEVER put my name out there precisely because I am smart enough to realize the the deep psychotic tendencies people like you have and would never give out information that people like you could use to hurt me.

Maybe if you had planned out your absolutely viscious assaults on people here just a wee bit better, you'd have retained your not-so-carefully guarded, beloved anonymity.  Do you forget the disgusting and vile things you said about people in your smug arrogance bolstered by your hidden identity?

Seriously, did you READ what you wrote?  What you have said here is an absolute indictment of your character and moral compass.  You are nothing but a viscious animal while posting anonymously and a pompous, condescending ass while posting with your username.

You are a sick, twisted individual who has absolutely no business working with kids, EVER.

Ginger's right.  She's spot on.  You posted all of your information all over the internet because you have a need to be credited for your "work."  Well, you got credit.  Why are you crying about it now?  Not very proud of what you have authored?  Maybe you shouldn't have written it in the first place.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Marie Osmond's Son Sent to Rehab
« on: November 16, 2007, 09:37:38 AM »
Quote from: ""Guest""
parents don't usually choose a treatment program in their hometown, do they?


Well, no. But then every state doesn't have programs. A lot of kids in Tx go to Tx programs.
I think it's likely because they live in a state that has a very high number of programs, and they have industry connections. I'm sure the first person she called was Rob Diaz.

Diamond Ranch
http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?p=53743#53743
Sojourn Wilderness Program
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?p=241317#241317
Anasazi
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?p=217965#217965

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Aspen Education Group / TO EMILY GRAEBER (Island View escapee):
« on: November 16, 2007, 01:04:04 AM »
Emily Graeber Found
The 15 year old St. Louis Jewish teen missing since October 29th has been found.  Emily took a flight out of St. Louis, did not get off the plane at her destination in Utah - and continued on to San Francisco. The Shawn Hornbeck Foundation and the San Francisco community were among those who joined in the effort to find Emily.

This announcement was e-mailed Thursday afternoon from Rabbi Susan Talve:

From: Central Reform Congregation, Rabbi Susan Talve
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 5:26 PM
Subject: Emily is on her way home

EMILY IS ON HER WAY HOME  
Every once in awhile, the heart of the universe opens to prayer and acts of kindness. Thanks to all of the Angels that are part of this wonderful network of caring people across the country, Emily Graeber is on her way home.
The Graebers are so grateful for all that you have done and were willing to do for their family. I cannot say enough about the support of the Shawn Hornbeck Foundation.
Please continue to keep the Graebers in your prayers.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Missing Clayton Teen Safely Home
Created: 11/15/2007 9:32:10 PM
Last updated: 11/15/2007 10:54:48 PM
  VIDEO  
 Click to watch Kay Quinn's report.
By Kay Quinn
(KSDK) - A missing Clayton teen returned home safe Thursday night.

Emily Graeber's safe return came about thanks to an Internet search engine and a Web site.

The parents of Shawn Hornbeck were also a big help in bringing her back.

On Thursday night, a plane carrying Emily, with Craig and Pam Akers at her side, landed in St. Louis.

The Akers run The Shawn Hornbeck Foundation and have dedicated their lives to finding missing people since their son Shawn went missing in 2002. He was found in January.

Around midnight Wednesday, they got a call from a person in the San Francisco area who knew where Emily, 15, was.

Emily was last seen by her parents getting on a plane at Lambert-St. Louis International Airport bound for Salt Lake City on Oct. 29.

She was returning to a treatment facility in Utah, but didn't get off the plane.

Instead, she continued on to San Francisco and was later found to be a runaway.

A concerned person she met in San Francisco eventually entered her name in an Internet search engine and discovered Emily was posted as a missing person in a Shawn Alert on The Shawn Hornbeck Foundation Web site.

That person, who wants to remain anonymous, called the organization and led the Akers to Emily.

"When it was 3 a.m. and we couldn't reach anyone else who was available and willing to go this morning at 6:25, then Pam and Craig packed their clothes and they were here" at the airport, says Sherri Martin, spokesperson for The Shawn Hornbeck Foundation.

Emily's family is thrilled she's home.

"The ability to find a runaway and for a story to run out so wonderfully because really, it could gave gone really bad. We're grateful for the Shawn Alert," said Julie Ettinger, Emily's cousin.

Emily's family is tremendously relieved and overwhelmed.

They were unable to travel to California because a family member is gravely ill.

One of them couldn't travel to California for their daughter? The daughter they were so distressed and worried about. They hired it done? I can't relate. Mind blowing. What are the odds they'll abdicate responsibility again and she'll be back at IV or another facility within a week?

This is the first time the Akers have traveled out of state to help a child return home.

A new twist on Escort Service?

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Web forum hosting / Visit www.fornits.com
« on: November 16, 2007, 12:24:46 AM »
Quote from: ""Deborah""
We've got many survivors at Fornits saying they had a bad experience.

Then there is Ottawa claiming her and her son had a good experience.

Further, even though she claims to be here to hear the good and the bad. She continually ignores or minimizes the bad... but takes every opportunity to sing the programs praises.

She doesn't appear to me, to be the least bit interested in gathering information on what didn't work for you guys. I haven't heard her ask one person to describe in detail any particular incident. Perhaps I'm wrong, but that's what I do when I'm gathering research. Intead she appears to be more interested in provoking survivors to rage or 'hysteria'.

Ottawa said:
I want to recreate that (good) experience for other people and so I must take on the burden of de-constructing how it happened.

AND: "And part of that is understanding what has not worked for others (letting kids with certain diagnoses into emotional growth programs, for example)."

What did you think about that comment? Read it carefully?

Call me skeptical, but me thinks that's why she's really here. To make a case that all 'survivors' of CEDU were too severely damaged, and were poor candidates- wrongly placed. That you should've instead had psych dx's and placed in mental institutions.  Har!

Suggestion: Don't respond to her unless it is to tell her, in specific detail, WHAT HAPPENED TO YOU, WHO DID IT, AND WHY IT DIDN'T WORK. WHO, WHAT, WHEN, WHERE, HOW, WHY.

Ya know, researchers are never objective. The researcher will always attempt to influence the outcome in order to prove their hypothesis. You'll probably be mentioned in her thesis.

http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?p=56010#56010

That's why you were here O5.
You thwarted, baited, harrassed, and used CEDU survivors posting here in order to 'prove' your thesis.
Your IP addresses were posted publicly at ST.
You obviously weren't killed.  
 
What happened to.... "there are no victims"... "you are at cause in your life"?

What did you do to create this?

Employ your CEDU skills and 'get over it'.
Isn't that what you suggested to survivors here?

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Aspen Education Group / TO EMILY GRAEBER (Island View escapee):
« on: November 15, 2007, 10:19:16 PM »
If the parent paid up front, why would they care? Parents may have to hire an attorney to get a refund if they decide not to send her back. You should never pre-pay tuition. The forums are littered with parents who are fighting for refunds.
These parents could also be ones that took out an amortized loan. What happens in that case? SOL? Stuck with a 10,20 year loan? Not like a house or car you discover is a lemon. You can sell either of those and recoup some/most of your money. Can a parent resell their spot in a RTC they took a loan on?

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Fornits wiki status
« on: November 15, 2007, 10:10:36 PM »
Quote from: ""Froderik""
Quote from: ""Guest""
Do a search like you are a [pro]spective parent looking into the names of the people and organizations you will be dealing with.
Interesting idea...

Someone should call some places and record the phone calls and upload them here... something like that might be good for a few laughs......


That's been done numerous times over the years. Interesting that not ONE prospective parent was told their kid didn't need 'treatment'. There are online questionaires everywhere, give it a try with your hypothetical child.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Pity for the Who
« on: November 15, 2007, 11:48:41 AM »
http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?p=283976#283976

Quote from: ""TheWho""
Quote from: ""Guest""
Quote from: ""TheWho""
Quote from: ""Guest""
When is this supposed to take place?

Well the  announcement takes place after the lawyers sign off on the deal, but they usually wait until the transfer is ready to take place.
The legal transfer typically takes place at the beginning of the new quarter (or fiscal year).
So based on this I would expect the announcement would come at anytime and the transfer could occur on Tuesday October 1, 2007 or early January 2008.

...


How is it that you are in a position to have knowledge about the acquisition of HLA?


I apologize for being vague, I have a fiduciary duty which prevents me from speaking in any specific terms in this area and can only comment on information which is first made public by either party involved,  this could be misconstrued as “Tippingâ€

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