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I have been continuously amazed at the lengths pro-program people will go to discredit abuse vicims and smear their character in order to invalidate their personal stories of abuse at programs.

Here's an example of a pro-program poster using this tactic of personal destruction to invalidate the experiences and words of an abuse survivor from one of the most notoriously abusive and harmful programs ever to exist - Straight, Inc.

Quote from: "Anne Bonney"

Fabricated sons.  Plural.  Or fabricated daughter, singular.  Which is it?

Look, Anne, we have already established that you have not been truthful with the readers here on fornits.  You try to make the readers believe that you were this shy little girl prior to going into a program and they turned you into the foul mouthed person that we read about everyday here who blames the program for your lack of education.  You change your story with the wind and lie about the events that occurred in your program to gain attention.

But the truth is that you dropped out of school started drinking and doing drugs.  You got into car accidents and started hanging out with with kids who were ending up in jail.  You were having unsafe sex and your parents didn’t want to raise their grandchildren while you figured out your life.  Maybe straight wasn’t the best choice, but you were surly at risk and they needed to do something.



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Anne Bonney has been very open about the abuse she suffered inside and outside Straight, including the horrible fact that she was raped as an underaged girl and was blamed for her own rape by the program staff.  She was a young rape victim not old enough to drive or to know anyone in any jails and she was put into Straight where she was dreadfully abused, as all the kids there were, and revictimized.  Whooter knows this story.  Yet he found it fit to comment on Anne's personal history with disgusting false accusations and sexualized aggression toward her.

What is wrong with sadistic cretins like this?

Quote from: "Whooter"

I stand behind my posts.

Quote from: "Watchful Yeoman"

Now I'd like to hear your reasons for posting that Anne Bonney was having unprotected sex as an underaged girl. You know she was raped. Was this rape what you're calling "unprotected sex"? You do realize that your average rapist doesn't ask his victim if she wants to have "protected non-consensual sex," right? I'm curious to hear your reasons why you are taking personal potshots of a sexual nature at a rape victim. That's not cool. Did the admin warn you about this deplorable behavior?

Stand behind your posts like a man.  Why did you do this to a person who has told you several times in the past she was raped and the program staff blamed her for it?

What did the mods say to you about it?

Once more, when confronted with his own ugly words and deeds, Whooter scurries away like a plague rat.

He wants to avoid this, but he should not be allowed.

Whooter posted all three of these posts.  He posed as "Peg Sympson" and quoted himself twice leading up to his admission that he has a second son.  Let's not cloudy up the simple facts.  You can see for several pages before this post Whooter was posting as "Peg Sympson" and having a running dialog with himself when he admits having another son.

Quote from: "Whooter"

Quote from: "Guest"

Quote from: "Peg Sympson"

First off I’d like to say you post a good argument and if you are the same poster on the other threads I agree with you mostly.  But I would like to say that I have been reading here awhile and know for a fact that Dysfunction Junction is a good guy at heart.  He just gets out of hand sometimes when he loses an argument.  He worked in a program years ago and believes them to be abusive but isn’t articulate enough to express what he is feeling so he resorts to violence and name calling when he loses an argument.  I saw the post where he wanted to punch you out, but again this is a result of his frustration in lack of communication skills.  He has gained credibility here by telling everyone that he is a mental health professional but we all know that professionals in this field don’t resolve their differences through violence and name calling.
Give the guy some space and understand that he is frustrated and angry towards the industry.
  He is not a bad guy and is just looking for people to understand what he went thru.

Thank you Peg, I think you nailed him, although, I dont think he is a mental health professional as you stated.  He may work in the field but not in a professional capacity which is obvious by the way he handles conflict and communicates.  He is just upset because no one wants to meet him in California, the job market is down, most people disagree with him and HLA is coming back under a new name.  So, I agree with you that we all need to give him some space to vent and he then he will go back to his job search soon enough.

A friend of my son was this way.  He always wanted to settle an argument by hitting people and this carried over into his adult life.  To this day he cannot handle it when he is proven wrong or when people disagree with him.  Violence is just ingrained in some people.  Like I said I dont think this Dysfunction Junction is a bad guy he just doesnt know what to do with his anger or how to properly direct it.  It is good to see people like you on here who can keep their cool.

Since I never posted on that thread, you don't have any quotes of me saying anything.  That's obvious.

People here just want to know which of the three kids in programs you claimed to have were "fabricated."

Quote from: "Whooter"

I fabricated a son

Yes, you claimed that already, too, but we don't believe you because of all the other lies.  People here believe you had two sons and fabricated the daughter, not the son.  Either way, you fabricated your family in order to advance your agenda here.

So while you were posing as "Peg Sympson," before "Troll Contol" caught you trolling and put a stop to it you claimed you had a second son (besides the fabricated one I guess).

Whooter posted all three of these posts.  He posed as "Peg Sympson" and quoted himself twice leading up to his admission that he has a second son.  Let's not cloudy up the simple facts.

Quote from: "Guest"

Quote from: "Peg Sympson"

First off I’d like to say you post a good argument and if you are the same poster on the other threads I agree with you mostly.  But I would like to say that I have been reading here awhile and know for a fact that Dysfunction Junction is a good guy at heart.  He just gets out of hand sometimes when he loses an argument.  He worked in a program years ago and believes them to be abusive but isn’t articulate enough to express what he is feeling so he resorts to violence and name calling when he loses an argument.  I saw the post where he wanted to punch you out, but again this is a result of his frustration in lack of communication skills.  He has gained credibility here by telling everyone that he is a mental health professional but we all know that professionals in this field don’t resolve their differences through violence and name calling.
Give the guy some space and understand that he is frustrated and angry towards the industry.
  He is not a bad guy and is just looking for people to understand what he went thru.

Thank you Peg, I think you nailed him, although, I dont think he is a mental health professional as you stated.  He may work in the field but not in a professional capacity which is obvious by the way he handles conflict and communicates.  He is just upset because no one wants to meet him in California, the job market is down, most people disagree with him and HLA is coming back under a new name.  So, I agree with you that we all need to give him some space to vent and he then he will go back to his job search soon enough.

A friend of my son was this way.  He always wanted to settle an argument by hitting people and this carried over into his adult life.  To this day he cannot handle it when he is proven wrong or when people disagree with him.  Violence is just ingrained in some people.  Like I said I dont think this Dysfunction Junction is a bad guy he just doesnt know what to do with his anger or how to properly direct it.  It is good to see people like you on here who can keep their cool.

Since I never posted on that thread, you don't have any quotes of me saying anything.  That's obvious.

People here just want to know which of the three kids in programs you claimed to have were "fabricated."

I fabricated a son

Yes, you claimed that already, too, but we don't believe you because of all the other lies.  People here believe you had two sons and fabricated the daughter, not the son.  Either way, you fabricated your family in order to advance your agenda here.

We're still waiting for Whooter's explanation of the second son he now claims to have.

Any updates?  People are curious about this new "second son" and why a program parent claiming to have a daughter only has now posted about two sons.

Quote from: "Whooter"

because it is a grass roots movement.

It's not by any stretch of the imagination.  See article above re: Koch brothers.  It's astroturfing at it's best/worst.

The "Tea Party Movement" is s imple corporatist political marketing plan.  It was conceived and funded by right-wing Republicans like Dick Armey and the Koch brothers.  It is by no stretch of the imagination "grass roots."  It's corporatist "astro turf" with the "Tea Party Express" funded by Newscorp (Fox News).

You have proved yourself to be scum once again.  You don't know anything about Anne and have no "facts" just innuendo that she's unsavory or unseemly somehow.  Typically, when you lose arguments all day and get cornered in lies you revert to this but you would normally accuse the person who just handed your ass to you of being a "child molester."  That's your MO.

When you accuse her of having unprotected sex, is that your way of blaming her for being raped?  You are a sick fuck.  It's not cool to for you to be aggressive towards a rape victim in a sexual manner.  You have some real problems, asshole.

The only person who broke a rule here was Whooter when he disparged Anne in a sexualized way.  He should get a week ban for that.  Nobody else even went off topic and the mods saw fit to derail the whole conversation, the opposite of their stated purpose.  Nice work, mods.

Why has this thread been moved to the OFFA?  Whooter started a legitimate topic and everyone stayed on topic and the whole thread was shitcanned.  Mods, you are doing a poor job here.  Just because you don't like the conversation doesn't mean it's against the rules.  This thread should be reinstated immediately.  No rule was violated.