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Elan School / Elan Connection to the People's Temple?
« on: April 15, 2007, 04:04:17 PM »
Hey people, just an item of curiousity here.  I know Elan is a Synanon-based program, like Daytop.  However, I never heard of "The Ring" (making attendees fight one another physically) being used anywhere at Daytop.

I was watching a channel thirteen documentary today about the People's Temple - the Jim Jones cult that killed a congressman and committed mass suicide in Guyana.  In this film they were talking about people being "called up front" (a group confrontation/confession session where members would have to confess intimate details of their lives - who they slept with, etc - to the group), whereupon the leader (Jones) would give "consequences" ranging from bitch-slappings to paddlings to sexual assault to "the ring"...  This caught my attention.

My question:  Does anyone know wheteher "the ring" came from the People's Temple or some other source for cult abuse tactics?

In any case, this documentary was fascinating and was laden with program-speak and tactics.  I knew before of the People's Temple, but I had never heard it in the words of survivors and, let me tell you, it sent a shiver down my spine...

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The Ridge Creek School / Hidden Lake Academy / HLA To Be Dropped from Major Loan Source "Approved"
« on: April 05, 2007, 01:29:35 PM »
Due to substantiated claims of fraud and abuse, TERI (http://www.teri.org/) will no longer fund loans to attend HLA (also Elan Schools).

TERI has concluded that HLA is not an educational institution and therefore educational loans to "attend" cannot be given.

TERI has been a major source of funding for HLA parents.  Look for HLA to be removed from the "approved schools" list in the next few weeks.

I'm not sure if HLA has been notified yet, but, if not, it's my pleasure to inform them.

63
The Ridge Creek School / Hidden Lake Academy / Ed Cons Who Refer to HLA After Abuse Claims
« on: March 13, 2007, 12:34:29 PM »
Susan Skelton, after being given numerous court documents and rulings from oversight agencies delineating abuses at Hidden Lake Academy and also being informed that HLA isn't legally a school, responded by asking "Where does all yur anger come from?  Can't you find something better to do with your time?"

Nope, preventing organized child abuse for profit is a pretty high calling, Susan.  I can't really think of anything better to do with my time than informing consumers of Ed Con services that you refer to abusive facilities even after being well educated about the abuse by oversight agencies.

Susan Skelton will refer your child to an abusive facility even after being handed all of the evidence of abuse.

DO NOT PATRONIZE SUSAN SKELTON!

64
EdCons and referring organizations and agencies / Susan Skelton
« on: March 13, 2007, 12:31:22 PM »
Susan Skelton, after being given numerous court documents and rulings from oversight agencies delineating abuses at Hidden Lake Academy and also being informed that HLA isn't legally a school, responded by asking "Where does all yur anger come from?  Can't you find something better to do with your time?"

Nope, preventing organized child abuse for profit is a pretty high calling, Susan.  I can't really think of anything better to do with my time than informing consumers of Ed Con services that you refer to abusive facilities even after being well educated about the abuse by oversight agencies.

Susan Skelton will refer your child to an abusive facility even after being handed all of the evidence of abuse.

DO NOT PATRONIZE SUSAN SKELTON!

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The Troubled Teen Industry / "Helicopter Parents" aka "Program Parents&qu
« on: March 12, 2007, 11:14:03 AM »
A must read:

http://www.collegeboard.com/parents/pla ... 50129.html

This article describes program parents to a "t"!

Very interesting points...

"Children's growth is stunted.
Helicopter parents seem to be stunting their children's maturation. Numerous students are arriving at college without basic social and survival skills. They lack knowledge about how to negotiate for what they need, to coexist with other people in shared living quarters, to stay safe, and to solve their own problems. With their parents always ready to step in, kids are failing to learn accountability and responsibility."

This is a great point and one thta's been made here several dozens of times.  Treating your adolescent like a child destroys emotional growth!  Sending your kid to a program does exactly the same thing - causes regression or stoppage of "emotional growth"  (a synonym for "natural maturation").

Think about it, parents.  Your control freakery is stunting your kids' growth!

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The Ridge Creek School / Hidden Lake Academy / Looking for Volunteers
« on: March 07, 2007, 03:47:39 PM »
I'm looking for volunteers to take up some yeoman's work regarding HLA.

If you have spare time and can follow simple instructions, please PM me for your assignment.

Thanks!

67
The Ridge Creek School / Hidden Lake Academy / Latest Suicide Attempt
« on: February 27, 2007, 02:46:30 PM »
The LCSO has confirmed that they did respond to a suicide attempt at HLA last week.  A young woman attempted to cut her wrists.

68
Aspen Education Group / Academy at Swift River - Were You Sold a Bill of Goods?
« on: February 24, 2007, 09:24:04 AM »
I'm looking for people who have had dealings with ASR that were, let's say, less than above-board.

Parents, were you promised services not delivered?  Prevented from communicating with your kid at any time?  Gotten "fishy" answers to questions about staff credentials or services rendered?  Had deposits or prepaid tuition withheld for withdrawing your kid?

Kids, were your rights violated?  Were you forced to participate in group and individual therapy that you did not want to do?  Was your mail censored?  Did you have access to a pay phone to report abuses?  Were you allowed to walk away without consequences?  Are you able to examine you file and correct misinformation?  Were you ever forced to do physical labor?  Make material improvement to the ASR campus?  Restrained?

Staff, have you seen patient rights violations?  Restraints?  Consequences for refusing to follow the program?  Denial of telephone use or mail screening?  Saw kids treated in a manner not consistent with competent care?  I'm especially interested in documents that show patient rights violations.

If the answer to any of the questions above is "yes" I'd like to hear from you.  Your rights were violated and you have recourse.  I will fight for you and bring your story to the state.  If you were wronged, I will help you to set it right.

Please post specific instances where the above scenarios have applied to you.  You can also contact me by PM.

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Aspen Education Group / Useful Contact Points for ASR Oversight
« on: February 23, 2007, 06:34:38 PM »
This thread will be used to make an "address book," if you will, of the agencies and people charged with overseeing the activties at the Academy at Swift River.

So, if you are researching like I am, please post up relevent links, addresses, contacts and phone numbers as you find them.

Thanks.  Any questions, please PM.

70
The Ridge Creek School / Hidden Lake Academy / HLA Becomes the First TBS Required to Be Licensed/Regulated
« on: January 19, 2007, 09:29:49 AM »
Well, patience and persistence pay off, don't they?

This is just incredible news. HLA will become the first 'TBS' required by law to be licensed (read 'regulated') by the state.

I believe that this precedent, coupled with the ruling in NY regarding the Academy at Ivy Ridge (that a TBS is not in fact a school, but a 'behavior modification facility') set all the precedent necessary to go after these fraud factories one at a time, or even to attack their professional networking umbrella groups such as NATSAP.

This is a big, big day, folks. Let's not rest upon our laurels.

Now we need to make sure that HLA provides factual information to the licensing board and scuttle their application should they choose to 'stay the course' with fraudulent documentation provided to oversight officials.

One more time, for all the naysayers and for all of the deeply disturbed people who have fought tooth-and-nail to avoid the responsibility of providing proper research proven effective mental health care to our children: ::fuckoff::  ::both::    

One great thing about this ruling is that it will force out the hacks, quacks, and non-degreed, unlicensed staff. I would estimate that fully 90% of current HLA employees will not meet muster for professional requirements and will therefore be (ENFORCEABLY) legally barred from working with the kids.

HLA needs to find a way to attract and hire proper personnel or fold up and blow away. I'd give 10 to 1 odds on the latter. Any takers??


*note: this info is in the poll thread as well, but it needs to be it's own thread, so this one was initiated.

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The Ridge Creek School / Hidden Lake Academy / Open Letter to Mark Keith and Kathleen Heasley
« on: December 01, 2006, 08:23:35 AM »
Mark and Kathleen,

I understand you both have a lot invested in your careers at HLA.  It is understandable why you would try to bolster HLA's reputation and business.  I get that.  I also understand that you desire to help kids and not hurt them.  Unfortunately, as you've both seen first hand, your employer isn't interested in helping anyone.

Mark, with DHR breathing down your neck you've done the right thing.  You've done what's legally and ethically required of you: you gave them the information they have a legal right to see.  Why then is it OK that your employer humiliates you in front of your coworkers by asking you things like "You still work for me?" in front of a staff meeting?  Why do you stand for this?

Kathleen, you did the right thing, too, in regard to the DHR investigation.  You did what you knew had to be done.  Why should you take the legal repercussions for refusing to comply with a warrant?  I wouldn't.  Should you be personally degraded for it by your boss?  Is it OK with you that this man made you cry with a viscious assault on your character for simply complying with the law?  Not to me it isn't.

Please, both of you, do what you you can (which is considerable) to help these families that have been hurt by HLA.  Do the right thing and help heal these people who were wronged by HLA.  Contact me and I will put you in contact with the right people.

Ask yourselves:  Am I really doing what's right and am I doing all I can?

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The Ridge Creek School / Hidden Lake Academy / Hush Money
« on: November 30, 2006, 01:27:41 PM »
I have it from a reliable source that HLA has been cutting checks to departing employees to buy their silence.  Reportedly, one employee received a $7000.00 payment of "hush money."  There are several others.

Unfortunately, this "gag" doesn't hold up legally, so any of you who received hush money are urged to come forward and tell the story behind the desire to keep you quiet.  

Let's face it, I know who some of you are already and I'm going to find the rest of you - it's only a matter of time.  When you have been identified, you are going to be subpoenaed to give depositions and/or to testify in court. That's going to happen either way, so please, come forward and help us help some of those who you have (intentionally or unintentionally) harmed.  Do the right thing and help these kids and families.

Please PM me with contact details.

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The Ridge Creek School / Hidden Lake Academy / Dire Prognostications / Treatment Center Mathmatics
« on: November 30, 2006, 10:26:28 AM »
Currently, HLA's population is running at about 125 attendees.  ROI metrics for HLA's business model indicate that 120 attendees is their break-even point.

Some 26 kids are slated to "graduate" next month and best estimates indicate 20-30 withdrawals early in the first quarter of the new year, resulting in a population (accounting for current enrollment rate) of 90-100 attendees total population next year.  This situation is reportedly financially untenable for the facility.

A recent prediction by one of HLA's financial officers is that HLA will "go under" by "February 1st."  I'm not sure of the exactness of this timeframe, but it is the estimation of those that hold the purse strings.  They probably know better than I...

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Why NOT kiddie prisons? Everyone else is in prison...
« on: November 30, 2006, 09:16:14 AM »
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061130/ap_ ... population

This article gives pretty good insight into our culture and our affinity for using incarceration to address society's ills...

It's mind-boggling how many people are locked up here in the good ol' US of A.

"Freedom is on the march!"  Yeah, sure.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Most Prolific/Schizophrenic ST Troll EVER
« on: November 27, 2006, 01:03:35 PM »
Some of you may remember a poster called "BrokenLegNO" or "WildFig" posting here and just generally being a pain in the ass.  Some time ago I challenged Fig to be honest and allow his/her posts to be linked together so we could all see the truth about this poster.

Why do I bring this up?  Because StrugglingParents are the the phoniest, holier-than-thou, know it alls who will stop at nothing to discredit victims on this site.  They will lie, cheat, make phony posts, deny their identity and change their story as many times as needed to make them seem correct, even if they are dead wrong and lying about everything.

I got sick of this poster doing it and so recruited the help of some friends to link up his/her posts to show you just exactly how crooked this business is and how crooked its proponents are.  Please, read on and see the depths to which this SP will go with the multiple personalities and the outright fabrication of stories designed to bring in business for ASR, SNWP and Carlbrook.

THIS IS HOW THIS INDUSTRY WORKS!

A parent with a daughter about to graduate Carlbrook

http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... 285#173525

Who?s 19, and had the option to leave

http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... 285#173536

Who wonders if DJ has a history of torturing animals.

http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... 300#173599

 

A father who works for a living

http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... 300#173675

 

Now a struggling parent whose son?s behavior is frightening

http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... 315#173774

Who thinks the program is worth the risks-Kid facing nightmare of certain death

http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... 345#173897

Who knows 100s of kids that were helped by programs

http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... 345#173906

Begging for first-hand info, not psycho-babble

http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... 345#173911

Who?s not knowledgeable, just researching

http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... 360#173980

Who was against TBS before reading Fornits

http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... 360#173986

http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... 375#174009

 

Back to parent with kid about to graduate

http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... 375#174364

 

Now, Ted whose kid is already graduated, was there 15 months

http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... 450#178876

Who supports isolation

http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... 465#178910

Whose kid has been in college 1+ years

http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... 465#178929

Who apparently didn?t learn much in the ?living your lie or truth? workshop

http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... 480#179004

Who knew nothing before, but now will be calling BS on the generalizations of all programs

http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... 555#180242

Knows more than Karen, cause his kid finished the program

http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... 570#180423

Kid was in college doing fine, now kid is at home and angry

http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... 585#180487

 

Knows for a fact ASR, Oakley, Carlbrook don?t? pay referral fees

http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... 095#188510

Doesn?t respect Karen for taking her kid out early- not a good representative for Carlbrook

http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... 155#188828

http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... 155#188832

 

In another thread- just found Fornits two days prior [? a month]

http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... t=0#178799

http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... t=0#178801

http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... t=0#178859

http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... =15#178867

http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... =15#178882

http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... =15#178890

http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... =15#178902

 

In another thread she (now a she) directs someone to the Carlbrook thread where a guy (Ted-herself) posted success

Post URL: http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... 105#179624

And doesn?t have kids

Post URL: http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... t=0#195020

 

But in another thread is a parent who researched and only considered two programs, Carlbrook and ASR, where some kids do well

http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... 855#181549

http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... 900#181699

 

Now a parent thinking about sending her kid to ASR

http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... 260#194301

 

And as woman doing research for a colleague

http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... 290#194379

Who knows nothing about ASR

http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... 365#194549

And  claims this is day ONE of her research

http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... 380#194570

Again knows nothing about ASR,  and has never had a kid in a program

http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... 395#194588

http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... 440#194654

But knows they don?t pay referral fees, and they have a waiting list

http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... 485#194825

http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... 485#194831

 

Again, kids are in college and went to public schools

http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... 500#194904

 

After calling every program, she will recommend SNWP, cites professionalism

http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... 515#194910

http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... 515#194914

A teacher of 25 years with grown up kids

http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... 545#194963

http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... 545#194975

Who crashed the party 4 days ago [3 months?]

http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... 635#195333

Considering recommending SNWP but not a TBS

http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... 650#195336

 

In another thread, has a daughter that attended SNWP

http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... t=0#182422

Doesn?t like to name programs she likes, like SNWP, they get bashed

http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... t=0#182713

Spent 36 hours in the woods with her

http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... =15#182766

Kid who attended SNWP was a cutter- the program helped

http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... =30#182788

Who?s happy with a 25% chance of success

http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... =30#182790

Kid dropped out of school, doing drugs

http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... =45#182834

Therapy a prerequisite for quality programs. Now- referral came from a psychologist and psychiatrist after months, if not years, of therapy. Before it was an Ed Con

http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... =60#182848

Post URL: http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... t=0#194316

And seems to know a lot about programs

http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... =60#182858

Daughter had a physically abusive boyfriend and a burgeoning cocaine habit

http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... =75#182906

 

Now has a SON who beat her and her daughter while hopped up on drugs

http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... =90#182976

 

Back to not being a program parent

Post URL: http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... =30#183521

 

Now hates programs.

http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... =15#196805

Claims to have no log in and only posted once or twice in a year

http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... =45#197015

 

Back to having no kids, ?by choice?

http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... =45#197024

http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... =60#197046


Now a parent whose kid got a job to buy ?more? drugs

http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... t=0#197501

Son found the program challenging

http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... =15#197533

And stayed until he was 19

http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... =15#197543


As for your agenda, I think you said it best here:

http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... =90#182982

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