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On 2005-09-23 23:09:00, Anonymous wrote:


On 2005-09-23 22:21:00, GregFL wrote:

One more point..  Tom S.  Your story. I believe you heard it and believed it, but first lets clear up the "THC" thing. There was no such thing as street Thc, ever. However, early in the 70s animal tranquilizers (real pcp) was sold as THC, and then later some strange snortable concoctions were sold as THC...some of them contained PCP for sure, but they all looked different and they indeed were dangerous.I had one of the worse experiences of my life on the stuff.

Sorry, Greg - I've edited my reply!  Something in a previous post touched a hot spot and I was responding to that post...not what I've quoted you saying here. I was involved VERY DEEPLY in the scene but was very discerning in what ended up on the streets. Yes, PCP is an animal tranquilizer & THC is a hallucinogen - two totally different drugs w/ totally different effects. You were probably very lucky to have experienced "one of the worse experiences of my life" if this prevented you from continuing your abuse of that drug; others were not so fortunate.

I bid you peace!

On 2005-09-24 06:55:00, John Underwood wrote:

"Good morning Greg, how are you?

Newcomers picked out (with staff approval) what clothes they wanted to keep with them. The rest went home with mom & dad. This all took place before they left intake. Stealing of any kind would have resulted in either the front row or out the door. No one was above this. "

For the record...that's what happened upon my intake - consequently, my mom got rid of those clothes and the rest of my 'sleazy' wardrobe before I returned home. We went on a shopping spree and I got a whole new wardrobe, for a whole new me!

The Seed Discussion Forum / especially for Marshall, Greg,
« on: September 20, 2005, 11:00:00 PM »
On 2005-09-19 09:56:00, John Underwood wrote:

"Anyone who was able to free themselves from drug abuse on their own should be congratulated and consider themselves very lucky, maybe even blessed. However, it has been my experience that this is the exception, not the rule.

Hey John, I made a similar post a while back which seemed to be ignored and attacked also... don't fret. I have my list of friends who are/were "deadinsaneorinjail".

Although I appreciate their collective talents in creating and moderating this site, albeit the "Greg-n'Ginger pony show", it's been nice to be able to connect w/ past friends.

The Seed Discussion Forum / especially for Marshall, Greg,
« on: September 20, 2005, 10:50:00 PM »
On 2005-09-19 16:09:00, Thom wrote:

Ginger is my baby Sister. Her story is all over this site, no need for me to add anything. Anything I say can and will be used against me.

No doubt Thom - and I thought MY FAMILY was dysfunctional! I guess I'm not alone anymore...

The Seed Discussion Forum / In Re : Physical Abuse v. Psychological Abuse
« on: September 14, 2005, 11:15:00 PM »
On 2005-09-14 07:35:00, cleveland wrote:
Robin, the movie Thirteen is very instructive. I hit some low points but perhaps not that dramatic. However, the Seed did not give me the tools I use today. For instance, honesty. The Seed allowed only partial, 'acceptable' honesty and I think that is a problem. Perhaps it was not that way for you, but you left on your own. I stuck around.

OK - this is the way it was "for me"...I came into the Seed in an extreme condition.  They conditoned me by means of "another" extreme.  After graduating, I managed to 'balance' out and find 'MY center'. No harm, no foul, to my life. I just grew up and got on w/ my life. I won't say the "Seed" gave me the tools, but watching my 'peers in practice', certainly proved to be an example of how I wanted to live my life and I incorporate most of what I learned there and then some!! Thanks Walter for acknowledging "Perhaps it was not that way for you." I truly respect that... :nworthy:

The Seed Discussion Forum / In Re : Physical Abuse v. Psychological Abuse
« on: September 14, 2005, 10:58:00 PM »
On 2005-09-14 00:14:00, GregFL wrote:

"Well, unlike you Robin my parents at the direction of st Pete Staff went on an active campaign to enroll all my friends. their parents were invited over and we had to come in the room and give our "drug list" and then admit to doing drugs with their kids.
OK - so that was THEM, you had no control over THEIR choices, only your own!

Integrity? Hell, there was no choice in the matter...
You are correct - I had no choice but to drop the bullshit!!

Hey Robin...lookie here...real exchange going on!

Don't be so condescending Greg - it doesn't suit you! Well, actually it does but I won't go there :lol:

I bid you peace!

The Seed Discussion Forum / Further qustions for John U...
« on: September 14, 2005, 12:55:00 AM »
On 2005-09-12 06:16:00, GregFL wrote:

"Listen,  I am issuing a warning right now.

Anon posting, in the seed discussion forum, is NOT to be used to attack other posters.

Since when??? What difference does it make Greg, if it's Anon or not?  Who really gives a s***?
There's so much slamming on this site, it has become very boring.  Kinda like the bullys flinging sand in another's face!!  There is no "exchange" going on here; it's just a pissing match!

The Seed Discussion Forum / In Re : Physical Abuse v. Psychological Abuse
« on: September 14, 2005, 12:46:00 AM »
On 2005-09-11 10:08:00, Antigen wrote:

A kid would be compelled to rat out his or her friends in rap. A goon squad would be organized to get details, like favorite hang outs or best places and times to catch the unsuspecting inductee when vulnerable. Then the squad would go out and snag the kid off the street, brow beat a confession out of them and then call the parents saying "Mrs. Smith, we have your son Johnny here. He's told us he's on drugs and wants help getting off them. Would you come down and sign some papers?"

For the record...even as F***ed-up "druggies" neither my brother nor myself ever "ratted out" anyone!  I always believed it should be a personal "choice" (as it was mine) of an individual or parent to enroll or enlist in the Seed. I had more integrity than that and opted to speak w/ my friends directly to share my experience and hope. Some came on their own, others did not. Sorry, I know many of you did not have an option.

On another note, last night I just watched the movie "Thirteen" and if ANY of you doubt the condition "I" was in when I "volunteered to enlist", PLEASE watch and know I went quite a bit further than the cast in the movie! Albeit, filmed for the 2000 something generation, the movie is a great depiction of peer pressure at "13" - whether it be in the 70's or later.  Families were way dysfunctional long before those of you who think the Seed messed 'em up!!  Get with it!!

The Seed Discussion Forum / Katrina damage - Looking for the positive...
« on: September 01, 2005, 06:35:00 PM »
Just received the following e/m from Chris:

"I am OK...I am in Baton Rouge, LA with my son John, we are "homeless" at this point but safe and alive; the rest of the family is OK too. I appreciate all the thoughts and prayers."

Thank goodness - I was getting a little concerned! ::cheers::

The Seed Discussion Forum / Katrina damage - Looking for the positive...
« on: September 01, 2005, 01:01:00 AM »
I just wanted to send a quick note to all of those (us) affected by this tragic display of Mother Nature; I pray all your friends, family and loved ones are safe and sound...

My heart aches for everyone involved ::dove::

The Seed Discussion Forum / One more thing...
« on: August 27, 2005, 12:28:00 AM »
On 2005-08-26 13:54:00, cleveland wrote:

...It as only after I left that I was free to define myself.

EXACTLY!  - which was then I started to "grow" and re-define who I was borne to be... :nworthy:

The Seed Discussion Forum / One more thing...
« on: August 24, 2005, 11:39:00 PM »

On 2005-08-24 20:10:00, marshall wrote:


You probably considered your old style / image 'cool' because that's what your old peergroup or culture told you. You likely considered your new haircut 'a good thing' & decided your shag 'needed altering' for exactly the same reasons..."

Well, duh...  :grin:

The Seed Discussion Forum / thought reform
« on: August 22, 2005, 01:59:00 AM »
Quote have to take the good with the bad on a forum such as this.


Whoops, not Gwen Stefani...time to go to bed now :rofl: Hey, I'm on the (W)BEST Coast

(just wanted to lighten things up a bit...)

The Seed Discussion Forum / Against My Better Judgement
« on: August 22, 2005, 01:52:00 AM »
But there were alot of people I became very close to and I often wonder how they are.  I have kept in touch with a few and those will remain nameless.  Anyway I wish you and all the others the best.  God Bless You, Maggie"

Maggie...You are still a "dude magnet"!  Seriously, I am so happy to hear all is well w/ you and yours. I know it's hard to tell from most of these posts, but there are those of us who "took the best and left the rest" from the Seed. Anyway, I have an awesome group photo (thanks to a dear friend)which was taken at the "P" estate in Tarpon Springs.  I know you know who I'm talking about and I would love to share this w/ you.  E/M me and we'll be in touch, OK?  Good to hear from you!!

The Seed Discussion Forum / One more thing...
« on: August 12, 2005, 02:46:00 AM »
When I 'stumbled' on this forum, (actually, in a time-warp, googled "The Seed" one night) I was ecstatic! What a hoot to find all of us 'pros' and 'cons' discussing something obviously very near and dear to ALL of us! It was great to read all the posts, opinions, memories and trivia.  We've all shared our sentiments, sorrows, elations, etc.  It's brought a flood of memories to the front of my brain I had stowed but will never forget.  Yes, it's bitter-sweet, with all our wonderful stories and varied perceptions (as clarified as they are) the obvious fact remains; we are all fairly intelligent individuals with our passions, soul and spirit intact. Therefore, the slant towards the "cons" vs the "pros" is not dissimilar to the reporting of LA Times, Washington Post, Tampa Tribune or Orange County Register.  The bummer of it all, is the fact this forum has become very sophmoric and is no longer informative nor educational.  My point is, grow up, move on and, dare I say it, again..."Get the fuck over it already!"  Those of you who disagree w/ my statement can move on -I am WAY OVER being sucked into your 'miserable, drama ridden, resentful, hateful, paranoid, little world that you people seem to thrive in.  My humble opinion??? You have WAY too much time on your hands and SHOULD be on your GRATEFUL KNEES to whomever you worship, giving thanks that you are ABOVE ground for Christ's sake!!

Really have lost my interst and/or compassion to 'share' w/ most of you anymore.  That's the way to KILL a good forum...

My "two cents" - love ya!!

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