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sorry it hurts so much Gonzo.  The book was independent.  (you cant shake that).  The study was independent too (had oversight by a third party).  Cant shake that either.

Do I think for a moment that you will accept this?  Not at all, how could you?  How could anyone here on fornits?  What would happen to this site?

But the studies are out there.  It was also presented to the APA annual meeting.  I have a friend who thinks all the cancer studies are fixed because the researchers are doctors who work for the industry.  He can think what he wants just like you can Gonzo.

You wanted Studies and a book by a Pulitzer prized winning author.. you got it lol and I provided links

If you want to reject them, it is up to you.


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Why would a program let a journalist come in and write anything bad about it. I guarantee you that they made him sign a contract that it had to be a pro-program book or they would not let him use the information he found there. They would have sued his ass if he defamed them.

And as far as you "psychologist" link, all she does for a living is help programs. She makes her entire livelihood off of programs. And again, she is from Utah. Red flags left and right, WWASPS birthplace, lack of child safety laws. Not to mention the fact that SEVERAL Aspen programs are clients of hers.

When you provide info, if you want it to be taken seriously, it must be independent information. People who profit from programs are obviously biased, why would they shoot themselves in the foot? That would be like you coming on here and admitting that you profit from programs and you and all your cohorts are lying thieving pieces of shit.

dO yOu seE WHat I MeAN?  :ftard:  :beat:

20/20 did a story on Paradise Cove exposing their abuse, it was shut down not long after, the footage from that show is now banned in the US. Why? Because programs buy their way out of trouble ALL THE TIME!

Guys are sex driven. They are the product of evolution. I have never had a friendship with a girl that did not turn sexual at one time or another. Girls want to bitch about it, but it is what it is. A girl can be friends with a guy without having sexual thoughts, but men are incapable of this. We may have advanced mentally above the rest of the animal kingdom, but we are still animals.

I don't care what any girl says, if she has a friend who's a guy, he has wanted to fuck her. He may not have tried anything, but I guarantee you the thought has crossed his mind. When you get married not having friends of the opposite sex is a matter of respect. Men are whores, blame Darwin.

Quote from: "Gonzotherapy"

So enough of the hot air Whooter, show us a fact. Just one.

10 years ago isnt that far off, Gonzo.  I presented a study which was conducted surveying 1,000 graduates and their parents covering various areas of many programs.  The results showed that the programs were up to 85% successful.  

There was a guy who spent 16 months in a program following a peer group, had full access and then wrote a book on it.  His description doesnt even compare to some of the stories were read bout here from 20 30 years ago.

Also if you take a look at the personal accounts of people in programs 20 or 30 years ago they describe the kids being held in these places with no predetermined time when they would get out.  If the kids ran away or broke the rules of the program they were still held there or brought back.  Kids would get almost no education and very few moved onto college.  Its much different today.



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I'm sorry, I thought I clearly stated for you to show some PROOF to back up your ridiculous claims. I know it is pointless to ask since you have none, but thanks for playing.

This is fucking sick. This is almost exactly the same as Paradise Cove. Browning Long Distance Learning Academy, 6 levels, student leadership. Why the FUCK are these same assholes allowed to reopen?

This is awesome. I just found this old site for parents of kids in Paradise Cove.
http://www.vpp.com/teenhelp/pokis1.html

This particular part is just classic.
"How many of you have not received what I call those "horrible, terrible, no good, very bad letters?" They talk about malnutrition, thievery, the other boys who are so much worse and who you certainly wouldn't want your son to associate with, surgery without anesthesia (yes, from my son, regarding an incision and drainage of an infection on his foot done the same way in the U.S.), the mean staff, the bugs, etc., etc., etc.? Did you know that your sons trade these stories, and that their purpose is to convince you to bring them home?"

I wonder what the idiot parent thought after Paradise Cove was closed and sister programs of WWASPS in Mexico, Jamaica, and Costa Rica were all closed because of these very problems. We were all cut to hell because we only had cheap foam flip-flops to wear (sometimes) and were forced to run in areas littered with shards of coral and volcanic rock. Infections and boils were rampant, you had flies constantly feasting on open wounds, cockroaches everywhere, you were rarely fed enough (usually hungrier after we ate than before)... I could go on and on and on. I wrote one of those nasty letters to my parents when I got there, and the program convinced them it was all a lie, and I paid the price for that letter.

http://suescheffdefeatswwasps.blogspot. ... -jury.html
"Photos were shown of children who were locked inside The ISO Box (Isolation Box), a wooden structure no larger than a small closet at WWASP's Paradise Cove program in Western Samoa. Children told of their experiences when they were hog-tied, struck by staff members, and duct-taped during their stay. When an investigation into allegations of child abuse and neglect was initiated, WWASP closed this program.

Again at Paradise Cove in Western Samoa, bugs were seen in the children's meager food portions. There were photos of children with skin infections, including scabies.
Former victims demonstrated the abuse and neglect they endured. They also verbalized it on Dateline, Primetime, Inside Edition and 48 Hours."

So why not? Israel sounds like the perfect place for a bratty American teenager. I mean any parent who is considering sending their kid to a program is already fringing on complete stupidity. Maybe that's what they are banking on. Do they take any camping trips on the Afghan/Pakistani border? How about RPG training?

I am always one for conspiracy theories, how about this one. They are going to use the tried and true TTI methods of brainwashing to install terrorist sleepers in the United States. And, they are going to have dumbass American yuppies pay for it all. How fantastically ironic would that be?

I had no idea, this is the first time I have heard of ODD and OH MY GOD what a crock of psychobabble BS. Oppositional defiant disorder? Back in my day they called it being a teenager. Seriously, is there a pharmeceutical "cure" for this one too? Like ADD? Let's start feeding 5 year olds ritalin because they won't sit down in front of the TV and shut up all day. Sweet Jesus, the people who come up with this stuff should be the ones sent away to a program.

Kids defy their parents, if a kid did not do this I would think there is something wrong with them. It's called growing up. At some point in your life you have to buck against the system to figure life out for yourself, it's part of being an intelligent person. If you just accept the world and all its rules without ever questioning any of it you are a sheep. Of course this is what the government wants, a bunch of pharmaceutically hazed judgement accepting tax paying sheep. ODD, what a crock. Another scapegoat for shitty parenting if you ask me.

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Take a good look at this website, tons of excellent info.