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Quote from: ""Che Gookin""
::fuckoff::

Remember what assume means right?


I'm sorry.  :(

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The reason we speak of STRAIGHT still is because it is the same core program.  Sure, eventually we were allowed to do some things in the real world too after we had been deemed "trustworthy" which in reality means we were trusted not to say anything.  I'm speaking of the new clients in the program, the ones that haven't been deemed trustworthy. And from everything I have read from the ASPEN literature, there is NOT free access to phones for any reason.  There is always a staff listening in or standing near by, monitoring calls. If this is different at ASR, I'd love to see the proof....

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Sue Scheff Video
« on: January 12, 2008, 04:41:44 PM »
Quote from: ""Guest""
Why is being disrespectful characterizable as an emergency situation? You're not supposed to be robotically obedient. Not when you're a kid, a teen, or an adult. If you are, your life is going to be hard

And, what defines "disrespectful" is so subjective....Why not institutionalize people for being annoying, while we're at it?


If we institutionalized people for being annoying, there wouldn't be anybody left in the real world.... :rofl:

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Hey you are goood!  And I'm glad to hear that it isn't che! I was hoping it wasn't but was beginning to wonder.  Due to a few similarities in the writing. :)

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so you are saying Academy at Swift River gives the kids complete freedom to say anything to you without repercussions??? very very very hard to believe... of course, you being a parent wouldn't know because you are there in the program.... My parents never knew about the threats either... until recently (which is over 20 years after the experience)

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My guess is they give "the who" the weekends off????

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Sue Scheff Video
« on: January 12, 2008, 03:59:36 PM »
personally, I think it would be really hard to be her teen and NOT be disrespectful to her... no offense, but I just can't help thinking like that as I watch that oh so dorky video. :lol:

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Might the WHO be the alter ego of another common poster around here who appears to be on the right side?  Is it boredom that motivates this person? Hmmm....  Are people with serious mental illnesses who are institutionalized in mental hospitals allowed access to the internet?  Just curious...

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Might the WHO be the alter ego of another common poster around here who appears to be on the right side?  Is it boredom that motivates this person? Hmmm....

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The Troubled Teen Industry / admins gone wild..
« on: January 12, 2008, 10:40:32 AM »
:question: no, confused.  :question:
That was a serious literal question... your post made absolutely no sense, try using complete sentences and others may be able to understand what you are trying to stay. :idea:

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Highschool, grades 9 thru 12.

If abuse occurs in our school district the kid tells the parent. The parent tells the principle/police and the principle sends letters out to all the parents updating them on what has occurred and action taken. Most private schools follow the same procedures. The staff member or teacher themselves who committed the offense isnt going to notify anyone except from jail.


I figured they would call themselves grades 9-12... I was asking more specifically about the actual curriculum....

As far as in your public school district.... you said the kid tells the parent.  See, this is my point.  In day-only schools, the kids are free to come home and tell a parent.  In residential treatment, they are NOT free to go home and they are in every case I've ever heard of NOT free to tell their parents anything they want to, due to repercussions, that will follow the so-called "telling."  Not to mention, the staff have already told the parents in advanced not to believe anything the kid says because it is "manipulation" on the part of the kid to try to get out of the program.  So the child is stuck any way you look at it, there are NO checks and balances in place at all at these crazy programs. :(

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Quote from: ""TheWho""
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Many girls who get out of the program do get pregnant as soon as possible as a way to avoid ever having to go back to the program. They know they have a policy against taking in pregnant girls. Of course they wouldn't even have a GED, I'm sure they were not allowed an education while in the program. But the question was, why did the parents pull the children? What kind of abuse had those children and or parents suffered?

This is a boarding school the kids are in so they were getting an education.  As far as why they left, I dont have the specific reasons why.  I do know that it is very hard work for some of the kids and some would rather opt out then to finish the program.  Some of them plead with their parents and they give in and remove them.  As far as abuse, I have never been aware of a staff member abusing a child there, this never occurred during the time my daughter attended.  I am sure if it did occur the families would be notified of the action taken.  


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Um, what kind of curriculum is in place there? These so-called schools are usually, not really like any legitimate educational institutions.  
Why on earth would families be notified of the abuse administered at the school?  
That's like the pedophile teachers in public schools notifying the families of the abuse and taking action.... it just doesn't happen... it has to be caught by a 3rd party or on tape to be found out.

I'm not getting your logic. :-?

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Aspen Education Group / ASR
« on: January 12, 2008, 12:12:56 AM »
Quote from: ""Anne Bonney""
Quote from: ""Guest""
Does she really talk to her kids that way?  What a mouth on her or is it a he?


Nope.  My kids are great people.  I only reserve that tone for program shills, as that's how I was taught to relate to people while I was incarcerated in Straight.  That's how most kids are spoken to in programs.  Gotta break 'em down before you can build 'em back up, right?


Um... when did they ever build us back up???? I remember the breaking down (more like destroying) part... but building up? It just doesn't happen..... (Not directed at Anne, I know she knows, but just for clarification, for people who are so taken by program b.s. that they forget what really goes on--or never knew in the first place..)

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Quote from: ""TheWho""
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Why not ask to speak to the other half of the parents who pulled their children out, and find out their viewpoints? Thereby giving yourself a more BALANCED view of the program.

I try to keep in touch the best I can to see how others are doing.

There were 4 parents I know of that pulled there kids.  2 of them them their kids got pregnant, single moms, within a year of leaving without even a GED ages 16 and 15 (?).  A boy who was replaced into another program within 6 months of leaving (lost touch), up in Maine somewhere.  The 4th I never heard from again.



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Many girls who get out of the program do get pregnant as soon as possible as a way to avoid ever having to go back to the program. They know they have a policy against taking in pregnant girls.  Of course they wouldn't even have a GED, I'm sure they were not allowed an education while in the program. But the question was, why did the parents pull the children?  What kind of abuse had those children and or parents suffered?

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Quote from: ""TheWho""
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Why not ask to speak to the other half of the parents who pulled their children out, and find out their viewpoints? Thereby giving yourself a more BALANCED view of the program.

I try to keep in touch the best I can to see how others are doing.

There were 4 parents I know of that pulled there kids.  2 of them them their kids got pregnant, single moms, within a year of leaving without even a GED ages 16 and 15 (?).  A boy who was replaced into another program within 6 months of leaving (lost touch), up in Maine somewhere.  The 4th I never heard from again.



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Can you attempt to answer the other 6 questions too please?

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