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« on: May 10, 2005, 11:07:00 AM »
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Subject:  Randi Koetz


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Randi Koetz was my best friend b4 she went 2 casa. I have her mom's #

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randi's dead- she killed herself on april 10

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« Reply #1 on: May 10, 2005, 11:27:00 AM »
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Subject:  Randi Koetz





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Randi Koetz was my best friend b4 she went 2 casa. I have her mom's #



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randi's dead- she killed herself on april 10



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Looks like it. It's a shame that people don't understand-- or in some cases, don't care-- just how harmful the program is.
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« Reply #2 on: May 16, 2005, 02:13:00 AM »
Many of the children in these programs suffer from depression. The brutal - tough love approach is not appropriate for depressed children. So they do not improve and post traumatic stress disorder is then added to their problem list.  There are many casualties of these programs. Most of them were victims of inproper and inadequate treatment for depression.  :skull:

When a religion is good, I conceive it will support itself; and when it does not support itself, and God does not take care to support it so that its professors are obliged to call for help of the civil power, 'tis a sign, I apprehend, of its being a bad one.
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« Reply #3 on: May 16, 2005, 03:08:00 AM »
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"Many of the children in these programs suffer from depression. The brutal - tough love approach is not appropriate for depressed children. So they do not improve and post traumatic stress disorder is then added to their problem list.  There are many casualties of these programs. Most of them were victims of inproper and inadequate treatment for depression.  :skull:

When a religion is good, I conceive it will support itself; and when it does not support itself, and God does not take care to support it so that its professors are obliged to call for help of the civil power, 'tis a sign, I apprehend, of its being a bad one.
--Benjamin Franklin, American Founding Father, author, and inventor

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The brutal, tough-love approach is not appropriate for ANY children. No child deserves or needs the horrors and abuse of the program, no matter what their problem is.
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« Reply #4 on: May 17, 2005, 07:40:00 AM »
My heart goes out to that poor kid.

And yeah... I've yet to see any indication that the program is appropriate at all, for anyone. But oh well, when the people who own the programs make a big deal about how it removes all support from the kid and makes them feel totally helpless, and they go through that cultish, bullshit Gilcrease? "seminars", what do you expect?

I expect it to be awful. The milquetoast, STUPID parents that keep their kids in those programs without having had contact with their kid and having no idea what so ever what really goes on apparently expect miracles, and they sure as hell get a obedient kid, because they dont want to go back!

Impiety: Your irreverence toward my deity.
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DannyB on the internet:I CALLED A LAWYER TODAY TO SEE IF I COULD SUE YOUR ASSES FOR DOING THIS BUT THAT WAS NOT POSSIBLE.

CCMGirl on program restraints: "DON\'T TAZ ME BRO!!!!!"

TheWho on program survivors: "From where I sit I see all the anit-program[sic] people doing all the complaining and crying."

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« Reply #5 on: May 17, 2005, 10:32:00 PM »
you read something off a free for all forum and you assume it's true? That forum isn't even monitored!  I hope it's not, but i'm sure i would have heard about it if it was.
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« Reply #6 on: May 17, 2005, 11:16:00 PM »
Copyright 2005 The San Diego Union-Tribune
The San Diego Union-Tribune

April 16, 2005 Saturday

SECTION: LOCAL ; Pg. B-7:2,7; B-5:1; B-11:6

LENGTH: 1591 words

HEADLINE: DEATH AND FUNERAL NOTICES

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EVANS, ROBERT CARTER Robert Carter Evans, of Bonita, died Sunday, April 10. He was the son of Dr. Robert Evans and Dr. Marilyn Carter Evans, also of Bonita. He is survived by his parents, his sister, Carole DeJonge, her husband Derek and their son Curren, of Carlsbad. He was born September 14, 1976 in Chula Vista. He attended Bonita Vista High School and currently lived in Las Vegas. Friends and family called him Bob or Bobby and he will be remembered for his charisma and love of life. Throughout his 28 years he traveled the world. He loved the outdoors and enjoyed mountain climbing, surfing, snowboarding, BMX, dirt bike and mountain bike riding, golf, soccer and skateboarding. He was passionate about music and loved to perform. He had an entrepreneurial spirit which led him to explore a variety of opportunities, from owning his own surf shop, producing concerts with local talent, recording an album, working as a bartender and finally as a loan officer at a mortgage company. No matter the calling, he was passionate, driven and successful. He made a lasting impression on the many lives he touched. Services will be held Saturday, April 16, 2005 at 10 a.m. at Glen Abbey Little Chapel of the Roses in Bonita, located at 3636 Bonita Road. A celebration of his life will follow the service at 12 noon at The Links Restaurant, Chula Vista Municipal Golf Course, 4475 Bonita Road. In lieu of flowers, please consider a donation in his memory to the Surfrider Foundation or Save the Music.

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KOETZ, RANDI Randi Koetz was born in St. Francis Hospital, Colorado Springs, CO. There she joined her mother Michelle Koetz, her father Kirby Koetz, and her brother Jade Koetz. She spent 2 years inColorado, after which the family moved to Arizona for the next 10 years. Randi was in the sixthgrade when her family moved to Carlsbad, California, where she lived and went to school for 3 more years. Upon reaching a turning point in her young life, Randi then began to attend Casa By The Sea, an academy in Ensenada, Mexico. After another 2 years at Casa, Randi successfully completed her program and graduated in July 2004. Randi then rejoined her family by moving to El Cajon and residing with her mother Michelle and bonus father Randy Leonard. Randi began her senior year in high school at Valhalla High School, Class of 2005. A young woman of greatconfidence and poise which she had learned at Casa, Randi made friends quickly with many otherstudents at her school. This put her in the unique and enviable position of having close and lovingfriends both locally and globally. Randi loved to write poetry, she loved to sing, she loved to act-her ultimate aspiration was to be an actress. Randi was so much loved by many, many people of all ages, and she will be deeply and sorely missed for a very long time by all of us who knew her. Memorial services will be held at 10 a.m. Saturday, April 16, 2005 at the Ronald Reagan Community Center, 195 E. Douglas Ave., El Cajon, CA 92020. In lieu of flowers, donations can be made to: Randi Koetz Memorial Fund, c/o San Diego County Credit Union, El Cajon Branch, 312 W. Main St. El Cajon, CA 92020. Tanya Lyons at 877/732-2848 x8118. Please sign the guest book at obituaries.uniontrib.com
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« Reply #7 on: May 17, 2005, 11:17:00 PM »
Anyone know anything about this:

opyright 2005 San Jose Mercury News
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February 27, 2005 Sunday MO1 EDITION

SECTION: A; BRIEF; Pg. 1

LENGTH: 1547 words

HEADLINE: Brothers' bad blood results in tragedy;
FRIENDS DESCRIBE YEARS OF DISCORD BEFORE FIGHT THAT ENDED TEEN'S LIFE

BYLINE: By Julia Prodis Sulek; Mercury News

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Neil Richardson wasn't one to fight back.

He was a scrawny 16-year-old who got good grades and wore sneakers covered with peace signs. When his older brother picked fights, stole his stuff, urinated on his bed, Neil took it. And took it. And took it.

But on a winter day last month, Neil fought back.

''One hundred, two hundred . . .'' Neil heard his brother counting the cash. It was Neil's birthday money he had left on his mother's desk to deposit into his bank account. And now his 17-year-old brother, Bryan, who had returned from reform school and had a new Mohawk haircut, was taking it.

On that late Sunday afternoon in Santa Clara, Neil -- the family's ''golden boy'' -- went to the kitchen. He grabbed a knife. Minutes later, his brother was dead.

A dramatic account of what happened that day and details of the boys' volatile relationship have been gleaned from interviews with family, friends and lawyers. A hearing before a judge will be held soon to determine whether Neil should be tried as a juvenile or an adult, which will ultimately affect how he will be punished.
 
Tensions below the surface

In so many ways, they were a typical American suburban family -- but also a family, like so many others, that was self-destructing. A father who was rarely around. A stepfather who had left. A new boyfriend in the house.

And a 49-year-old mother trying to hold it all together.

''We were no better or worse than anyone else,'' Mary Hodgson told the Mercury News. ''I did the best I could.''

Now she finds herself grieving for one son, praying for the other and wondering how it came to this.

Neil and Bryan were like any other brothers, she said, ''forgiving and fighting and making up. It was just the way a home was supposed to be.''

But on this day, forgiveness was forgotten and bad blood between brothers was pushed to the extreme.

''If I had been in the same situation, I might have done the same thing,'' said one of Neil's friends, Eric Sanchagrin. ''You put up with crap so long, it just builds up and you don't get it out. Then it just all comes out at once.''

Neil and Bryan grew up in Santa Clara on Oxford Drive, just one block northeast of Eden Drive. Their house was like so many others sprawling across the Santa Clara Valley: a single-story, three-bedroom ranch-style home with an attached garage and lava rock planters out front.

It was in this comfortable house of wall-to-wall carpeting and rocking recliners that Mary Hodgson remembers the happy times.

''We had a lot of fun, a lot of fun,'' she said. She would sing silly songs about their brown shepherd named Dozer and dance around the kitchen.

Bryan, even in front of his friends, would kiss her on the top of the head and tell her, ''I love you.'' Neil considered his mother ''my hero.''

Her boys, she said, were ''the sweetest, nicest goddamn kids in the world.''

The father of the boys, who did not return repeated phone calls, left when they were toddlers. Shortly thereafter, their mother married C.R. Hodgson, who worked in construction. When Neil was almost 2, the couple had a baby boy together, Peter. They took family vacations to Hawaii and Lake Tahoe.

Mary Hodgson set up a desk in the living room and got work advising clients on security doors for schools and other buildings. She wanted to be home for the boys and make her house a ''safe place'' for their friends to come.

Their huge trampoline, the skateboard ramp and the picnic table made their front yard a magnet for neighborhood kids -- including Alex and Tyler Barnes, who lived three blocks away.

''I thought at one time Neil really looked up to Bryan and considered him his best friend,'' said Tyler, 17. The brothers played computer games together, he said, ''like a big, happy family.''

But as they entered their teen years, resentments were brewing, said Alex Barnes, 20. Neil, the younger brother, got his own room while Bryan had to share with Peter. Bryan would often opt for sleeping on the living room couch.

The relationship often went something like this: Bryan would lash out at Neil. Neil would tell his mom. Bryan would get in trouble. Neil got more privileges. Bryan would lash out. ''It goes in a circle,'' Alex Barnes said.

Some days, another friend said, the only words spoken between the brothers were ''Where's the phone?'' and ''Don't know.''
 
Boys diverge on drugs, alcohol

Bryan, who had been diagnosed years earlier with attention-deficit hyperactivity disorder, would often break curfew, sleep in and skip school. His friends said he smoked marijuana.

''Bryan would steal Neil's money to buy drugs and alcohol,'' said one of Neil's classmates, Dante Tolomei. ''Neil would be sleeping and Bryan would beat him up for no reason. He would come into his room and mess everything up. We just knew Neil didn't like his brother and his brother would mess with him all the time.''

But Neil wouldn't fight back. ''He never really did anything back,'' Dante said. ''He would just say, 'whatever.' ''

Neil, who his mother and lawyer say suffers from mild depression and takes the medication Paxil, would retreat into his room and play on his computer.

He created his own Web page on MySpace.com. On it, he listed his ''likes'' as '''music, bass guitar, friends.'' His dislikes? ''Drugs and alcohol.''

''He said he would never use it because his family had such a bad experience with it,'' Dante said.

Neil played the tenor sax in his Buchser Middle School jazz band and hung out with old band mates at Santa Clara High. He was quiet -- no problems in school, his principal said -- and looked forward to college.

He liked Calvin and Hobbes.

At home, their stepfather would try to discipline the boys, taking away their computers from time to time. In the summer before Mary and C.R. Hodgson split up, Alex Barnes said, they fought constantly over discipline.

''They'd yell at each other,'' Alex Barnes said. ''I spent a night in the living room. There was a lot of arguing.''

The stepfather left last May. Attempts to reach him were unsuccessful.
 
Desperate measures

Both boys had been in psychiatric counseling for a number of years, Neil's lawyer said, but the house was in chaos and Bryan was a terror.

''He was acting out,'' Mary Hodgson said, ''and with the divorce, I couldn't take it.''

So in June, she enrolled Bryan in ''Casa by the Sea,'' a reform school in Baja California for teenagers with addictions and behavioral problems. The school was shut down last September by Mexican officials after reports that students were abused.

Neil, who had spent a quiet summer hanging out with friends, now had Bryan to contend with again.

''Bryan terrorized him, threatened to kill him, threatened to beat him up,'' Neil's lawyer, James Kellenberger, said. ''Bryan was running with several people that were participating -- they'd gang up on him.''

Bryan enrolled in Wilson Alternative High School in Santa Clara, meeting with a teacher once a week and taking work home to earn enough credits to graduate.

On Jan. 26, Neil turned 16. He received about $250 in gift money. He celebrated that Saturday with friends by taking a train up to San Francisco, and hanging out at the Metreon, listening to music, eating. He and a buddy, Zach Davis, came back to Neil's house and fell asleep.

Zach last saw Neil the next afternoon. Neil wasn't feeling well, he said, so he went back to sleep in his room. Zach asked Neil's mom to drive him home.

When she returned, one son was dead, the other in handcuffs.

Police and prosecutors won't comment on the case. Kellenberger, however, said one of Bryan's friends, who was hooking up Bryan's PlayStation, witnessed the fight.

After reviewing the witness' statement, as well as Neil's interview with police and other evidence, Kellenberger said he believes this is what happened that afternoon:

With the kitchen knife held outward, Neil stormed into the family room where Bryan was sitting on the couch. Flashing the knife, Neil demanded Bryan give back the money. He did.

But Bryan was ''irate that Neil had a knife on him,'' Kellenberger said. He stood up, grabbing Neil by the arm or wrist, and pushed him.

They fell into the upholstered rocking chair in the corner. Neil pushed Bryan off of him, and, in the heat of the struggle, they crashed into the wall across the room.

Stunned, Bryan asked: ''What the . . ., Neil?'' Then he collapsed. Neil had stabbed him in the chest.
 
'He's still a little boy'

Prosecutors are pursuing it as a homicide. The boys' mother can't believe that.

''The only thing that matters to me is that Neil comes home,'' she said. ''He's a wonderful kid and it was just bad luck, bad fate, bad I-don't-know-what-it-was. I don't know. It just happened. I can't ask why.''

Over the past couple of weeks, she has visited Neil in juvenile hall.

''Poor baby. He's just so upset. He's so sad. He's so scared. He's so everything,'' she said. ''He's barely 16. He's still a little boy.''

She hopes her son can forgive himself, because she doesn't believe it was his fault. Or anyone else's.

''There's nothing to forgive,'' she said. ''I don't blame anybody. I think I don't blame myself. I did the best I could.''

Contact Julia Prodis Sulek at [email protected]
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« Reply #8 on: May 18, 2005, 02:09:00 AM »
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On 2005-05-17 19:32:00, Anonymous wrote:

"you read something off a free for all forum and you assume it's true? That forum isn't even monitored!  I hope it's not, but i'm sure i would have heard about it if it was.  "


Much of the content in these forums is fact checekd by professional new organizations (check or ask for references) or certified by various courts. What's your basis for belief?

People everywhere enjoy believing things that they know are not true. It spares them the ordeal of thinking for themselves and taking responsibility for what they know.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000051WYJ/circlofmiamithem' target='_new'> BROOKS ATKINSON (1894-1984), Once Around The Sun, 1951.

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« Reply #9 on: May 18, 2005, 09:09:00 PM »
Copyright 2005 The San Diego Union-Tribune
The San Diego Union-Tribune

April 16, 2005 Saturday

SECTION: LOCAL ; Pg. B-7:2,7; B-5:1; B-11:6

LENGTH: 1591 words

HEADLINE: DEATH AND FUNERAL NOTICES



KOETZ, RANDI Randi Koetz was born in St. Francis Hospital, Colorado Springs, CO. There she joined her mother Michelle Koetz, her father Kirby Koetz, and her brother Jade Koetz. She spent 2 years inColorado, after which the family moved to Arizona for the next 10 years. Randi was in the sixthgrade when her family moved to Carlsbad, California, where she lived and went to school for 3 more years. Upon reaching a turning point in her young life, Randi then began to attend Casa By The Sea, an academy in Ensenada, Mexico. After another 2 years at Casa, Randi successfully completed her program and graduated in July 2004. Randi then rejoined her family by moving to El Cajon and residing with her mother Michelle and bonus father Randy Leonard. Randi began her senior year in high school at Valhalla High School, Class of 2005. A young woman of greatconfidence and poise which she had learned at Casa, Randi made friends quickly with many otherstudents at her school. This put her in the unique and enviable position of having close and lovingfriends both locally and globally. Randi loved to write poetry, she loved to sing, she loved to act-her ultimate aspiration was to be an actress. Randi was so much loved by many, many people of all ages, and she will be deeply and sorely missed for a very long time by all of us who knew her. Memorial services will be held at 10 a.m. Saturday, April 16, 2005 at the Ronald Reagan Community Center, 195 E. Douglas Ave., El Cajon, CA 92020.
In lieu of flowers, donations can be made to: Randi Koetz Memorial Fund, c/o San Diego County Credit Union, El Cajon Branch, 312 W. Main St. El Cajon, CA 92020. Tanya Lyons at 877/732-2848 x8118. Please sign the guest book at obituaries.uniontrib.com
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I wonder what the family will do with the trust fund donations? How much ya wanna bet it goes to the Landry Foundation?

I wonder why a person of great confidence and poise (which she learned at Casa) would want to die?

I notice no word about suicide. The Voy poster says she killed herself on the 10th of April. Wonder why the memorial service took 6 days to arrange? That's a bit unusual.

This obit sounds to me like a desperate attempt by the parents to reaffirm how wonderful the program is, despite the poor girl's suicide.

So pitiful!
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« Reply #10 on: May 19, 2005, 12:43:00 AM »
Program victim?  It looks like she wasn't in a program when she died.  Whatever was the cause of her death, you're ASSuming she killed herself.  And if she did, you are assuming that it was because of the program. More fuel for your fire, I suppose, for anyone else that wants to ASSume the reason.
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« Reply #11 on: May 19, 2005, 01:23:00 PM »
Hey ASS hole - I am not assuming - it has been posted on a public board that she killed herself. Being as its true she has died, this seems grounds to believe the poster knows what their talking about.

And she wouldn't be the first to kill herself as a result of such programing. Its one of the very real possible side effects. I wish the poor girl's parents understood this.


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I just had a conversation with a friend who had a conversation with a friend of Randi's.
Seems there is some room for doubt that it was suicide - but the poor girl was found hung to death in some woods - According to the conversations that have taken place. I'm told it was writen up in the news papers. Maybe someone good at such things can find the articals?

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« Reply #12 on: July 02, 2005, 04:48:00 PM »
hey fuck all of you that are talking shit...i knew randi, and i just now found out she is gone...i went to casa with her, she was against the program for a LONG time, she conformed to her parents wishes so she could go home, i also "graduated" the program with her, dont you see, just because she didnt die in the program doesnt mean it didnt break her spirit....why dont you just pray that another person doesnt have to go through something like this.....and Randi   R.I.P. you will be in my heart, and i will always remember your beautiful voice!!!
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« Reply #13 on: July 02, 2005, 07:28:00 PM »
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On 2005-05-19 10:23:00, BuzzKill wrote:

"Hey ASS hole - I am not assuming - it has been posted on a public board that she killed herself. Being as its true she has died, this seems grounds to believe the poster knows what their talking about.



And she wouldn't be the first to kill herself as a result of such programing. Its one of the very real possible side effects. I wish the poor girl's parents understood this.





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I just had a conversation with a friend who had a conversation with a friend of Randi's.

Seems there is some room for doubt that it was suicide - but the poor girl was found hung to death in some woods - According to the conversations that have taken place. I'm told it was writen up in the news papers. Maybe someone good at such things can find the articals?



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I have heard of WWASPS kids reporting committing suicide when threatened by a parent with being put back into a program.

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« Reply #14 on: July 05, 2005, 10:26:00 AM »
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Randi then rejoined her family by moving to El Cajon and residing with her mother Michelle and bonus father Randy Leonard. Randi began her senior year in high school at Valhalla High School, Class of 2005.

"bonus father"  how tacky is that?

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Hey ASS hole - I am not assuming - it has been posted on a public board that she killed herself. Being as its true she has died, this seems grounds to believe the poster knows what their talking about.


Tsk tsk Karen, your a Christian, remember.
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