I am another girl who went to MMS and is now a women, growing and changing while MMS is still with me forever and I can't just forget about it. I am not black or white about this I didn't have a great experience or a bad a experience, and yes I think that it helped me. I really don't know what is being compared to MMS that points at it being abusive? Compared to what my family life? Compared to my family life MMS was peachy....So I am just someone with another experience. If you don't want to associate yourself with MMS, then why are you here to find a solution? I asked those questions because it seemed like an important element to mull over. Where would we be with out our experience @ MMS not here thats for sure? Thought then agian, they didn't make us do anything we didn't willingly do because you could have said no at any point. Or I am not willing! And when you are talking about this abuse I could probable dispute it to tell you the truth---I never saw anyone pee there pants, Did you pee your pants? And the MOO thing was a friend of mine and that was a term of enderment if we are infact talking about the same person it was her nick name. This is very hard for me, I feel and obligation to try anf bring some clarity and possible gain some. I don't want to argue I don't want to be right. I want to make sure my voice is heard, and truth is heard. This is very serious stuff and I want to see it be genuine and not just negative collusion. I am sorry that I offended you, it is very easy for this to happen because this is so touchey. ANd plus I don't know who the hell I am talking too. -please remember we are probable friends, and hell we might of been on a fathers retreat together, or food plan partners, or merely we have this place in common.-So love.-H