Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > Mission Mountain School
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enge4815:
hey ashlee
I hope you can read my posts. I have seen your profile on classmates.com and I have to tell you that I appreciate your post though I don't agree with it all. I have no idea where bee or cary or ann are today but if I did I would tell you. I hope that this helps. I just wanted to say hi. I am sad that you are still struggling with your eating disorder can you get help for it? Where are you living now? You got married and have kids now? wow how time flies. Feel free to say hi any time.
Rebecca Engel
Antigen:
--- Quote ---On 2005-05-01 00:48:00, Anonymous wrote:
I wish more posters put thier names I want to know who everyone is!
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Please, pick a username. Give as much or as little accurate info as you want to.
We are a one party country. Half of them call themselves Democrats and the other half call themselves Republicans. All the good ideas come from the Libertarians.
--Hugh Downs
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Antigen:
--- Quote ---On 2005-05-01 09:48:00, katfish wrote:
so that the parents and counselors alike understand that it is not ok to treat kids in that manner for the sake of recovery. With regards to MMS I think the ends do not quite justify the means.
(please excuse the redundancy)
Kathryn Whitehead
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No excuse necessary :exclaim:
Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy.
--H. L. Mencken, American publisher
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katfish:
Hey Ashlee,
Here's how I see it, some girls, truely mistreated have every right to be angry should they seek to file a lawsuit, from the stories I've heard, I wouldn't blame them. Quicky, you said above that you thought some girls shouldn't sue MMS b/c others don't agree or were helped by the experience, but that's really irrelevant. People don't stop and say wait, 'Enron didn't fuck my cousin (he may have even made money!) so maybe I shouldn't try to get back the money I lost and hold them liable for x, y, z'. I know girls out there don't agree with the lawsuit against MMS, but some girls were truely hurt and it's very insensitive to comment without knowing the story...
Where I'm coming from regarding regulation: I completely agree, better placement, that's a great place to start. Part of that is the educational consultants (if they're hired)the other, bigger part is the school. They need to understand what their limitation are and send kids elsewhere once they're there and if they can't help- I'm not just referring to the obvious one b/c that's a miniscule percentage of the girls they can't help. The problem with acutally putting that into effect is that at MMS girls are punished for acting out- which suggests they need help outside of what MMS can provide, but if the program is fear based how can the girls feel comforatble by saying, 'excuse me, John, this isn't working for me, maybe I should be sent somewhere else?' If you arrive there you don't feel that's an option.
That's why I feel so strongly about regulation, I don't see John (hence the school) changing on his own. And even the girls who had good experineces (with the exception of the extreme advocates of MMS- which seem to be only a few comparatively) agree thing should change, as you do. They won't change by themselves though- just not going to happen and changing the procedural part is not enough, since that's not the only problem as I'm beginning to see more and more the nuetral girls concur with me on that.
Since the problems at MMS are not all procedural, change need to come to the damaging aspects of the school- regardless if other aspects are good.
This is also part of the reason girls shut their mouths and changes at these types of shcools are hard to come by...people move on b/c it's almost too traumatizing to fight for what they believe is right- there's very little support b/c girls feel to help address the negative somehow negates the positive. No one is saying that though.
kat
Anonymous:
Im not trying to discredit anyone. Just stating things as I see it, not trying to force my veiws. The thing is, I know what you guys are talking about as far as mistreatment I don't disagree that it happened. I had it happen to me too. I guess I just personally disagree with the means of seeking change. In general (not all the time) I disagree with lawsuits. Personally I would feel much more satisfaction of going to directly to the school and saying exactly what I think about the time I was there. I know its scary, and I can't say that I've had the balls to do it. Yes I'm scared, but if there was truely a lot of other girls who feel the same way that I do, I would be happy to band together and do it as a group. A couple of great things happened for me at the school, like getting into a great college (with Colleen's help) and I can't bring myself to totally discredit that by being mean and vindictive towards the school. I think that we could be a powerful catalist for change, except we have to get our stories straight without all anger and fear and be brave enough to face the school as adults, not hiding behind a lawsuit. I guess I feel this way because when it comes down to it, I believe that John Mercer and Colleen and Gary have good intentions and that goes a long way with me.
You said also , "girls feel to help address the negative somehow negates the positive."
I agree, that sums up a lot of what I think right there.
Ashlee
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