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OverLordd:
Anon, if thats out of control well then your view of out of control is a tame one. I throw parties, I argue with my parents, I have a obession with fire and I have issues with athority. Does that mean I have to go to camp? What about the good things? every one has issues, here are some good things.
I am also a Eagle Scout, I also graduated high school with highest honors, and I also am a member of the national honor socity. I would like to hear the good things these kids have done, because im sure there is alot of that!
Anonymous:
I'm a different anon than the previous one.
The point you raise is a valid one, Overlordd: when is a child's behavior extreme enough to warrant the extraordinary step of sending him or her to a specialized program? I go on record here and now as saying that I think sometimes, hopefully rarely, this is a necessary step.
You say that you argue with your parents: that's a little different than in the previous anon's post which refers to kids to repeatedly threaten to hit their parents.
And I don't know your age, though if you are out of school I've got to assume you're of age.
If you were a minor, then if your parents could be called "good enough" that is, reasonably competent parents, they'd get to make the call about where you were sent, most likely after consulting with people they trusted-- which may include clergy, family, psychologists, etc. (If you're an adult and were threatening to hit your parents, well, I guess, regretfully, that's where police/lawyers get called into a family situation).
You're "obsessed" with fire? I have to ask: do you really mean "obsessed" or just very fascinated as I, for example, am fascinated with the ocean. Because if you're "obsessed" in the sense of heading toward arson, well, I hope you get some kind of guidance, whatever your age.
If my minor child was "obsessed" with fire )in the true sense of the word) I sure would seek out some kind of program to address this, however many "good things" were also included in his/her personality.
Antigen:
--- Quote ---On 2005-07-19 09:31:00, Anonymous wrote:
The point you raise is a valid one, Overlordd: when is a child's behavior extreme enough to warrant the extraordinary step of sending him or her to a specialized program? I go on record here and now as saying that I think sometimes, hopefully rarely, this is a necessary step.
--- End quote ---
I think it depends on how you define the term "specialized program". In the case of the troubled parent industry, you may as well ask when is an illness extreme enough to warrant a round of blood letting? Or trepanation?
If we're talking about confrontational TC or toughlove death marches, the answer is, obviously, never. No matter how serious the kids' behavior, this approach is not helpful. You may just as well shove the kid over a cliff and leave them to fend for themselves if you want to shoot for strength through adversity. All the trappings of newage therapy are only provided to help you, the parent, believe that what you're doing is somehow different from beating the shit out of the kid repeatedly yourself.
Never in the history of any nation has an education system been so on the point of disintegration and decay as the education system in this country...We know that education in this country is as bad as it can be. We know that it is old-fashioned, irrelevant, and not meaningful.
--U.S. Senator Abraham A. Ribicoff, 1970
--- End quote ---
Anonymous:
"I think it depends on how you define the term "specialized program". In the case of the troubled parent industry, you may as well ask when is an illness extreme enough to warrant a round of blood letting? Or trepanation?"
So said Antigen in the previous post.
Well, of course, we can all agree--- I think--that it depends on the program, and I personally believe that there are good and bad ones out there.
The problem is, in the minds of certain critics of therapeutic schools, the possibility of a helpful and good program can't even be conceptualized, it appears.
Antigen, I see from your posts that you had a very traumatic experience yourself with incarceration in a program. Please be open-minded enough to realize that this is your experience in a particular setting. Other places and other people's stories can be and I believe, are very very different.
As a parent, I understand your concern that the power of even the most caring staff in a remote or lock-up situation is great and can be misused. As a critical thinker---after reading your posts I have the impression of someone who is so wounded that it may just be too much to expect an impartial evaluation of any program that in any way resembles her own unhappy experience.
How much, I wonder of what we see at this site has to do with people virtaully blinded by grief or anger over a personal tragic experience or outcome?
I think that this site does provide valuable information and leads to parents. But because of the particular life stories of many of the posters I think that just about everything presented here needs to be checked and rechecked elsewhere for distortions and (perhaps understandable given posters' backgrounds) misrepresentations.
This site is useful I think but cannot be considered a complete or always reliable story in choosing a therapeutic program
obsidian student:
I was a student at obsidian trails from October of 1999 until March of 2000. I had some problems when I was a teenager; I believe obsidian trails saved my life. I read about the death of Eddie Lee and was in school when the two students ran away and robbed an old couple of their car. However I believe the people who owned and operated Obsidian trails truly want to help children with there problems and I can tell you when I was out there in the beginning I would have said anything to get out of there so although I hear the horror stories of some how badly the children at obsidian trails were treated, I can say with first hand knowledge that It wasn?t that bad. I am currently in the police academy in New York and hope that one day I will be able to help children the way that the employees of Obsidian Trails helped me.
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